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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.14
We start with Heyman talking about conspiracy theories and how Brock has conquered everyone. Then Braun comes out and murders him again. Braun/Brock is straight money. What is no longer money is Big Cass. In a bizarre almost kharmic moment, Cass goes down to a very bad leg injury while again trying to bury Enzo. Enzo wins the match to everyone's shock including probably Vince who seem to be setting Cass for a big run soon. I guess trying to embarrass the talent on live TV has some real world consequences or it was a fluke accident. You decide.

Kurt comes out to introduce his newest member of Raw, John Cena. How? Why? Because Cena is the answer to all of this. John trolls everyone til Reigns comes out to a nuclear heat reaction. So, it begins...the months of orbiting each other til one massive WrestleMania match or they will stupidly give it away on Raw for free. You decide. Miz comes out and cuts the most truthful promo of his life to which even the fans are behind him. Joe even comes out to make it look like they are a threat, but they lose in the main event in unspectacular fashion.

Other things happen like the Hardys vs. Dean and Rollins who should be known as The She. Alexa is going after Sasha and even brings up the fact that Sasha can win titles, but not keep them. A trend I hope breaks after No Mercy. Emma gets squashed by Nia. Neville will face Toz at 204 Live tonight. Jason Jordan actually had a nice match with Finn that the crowd shat all over, because fucking smark crowds after Big 4 PPVs.

So, here we go into the fall. While the main event scene looks doable with Braun, Brock, Cena, Reigns, Joe and possibly moving Miz or Finn up. The undercard is just there. The tag team division may need another team to get add to the mix coughAuthorsofPaincough. The women's division needs a lot of help. Even with Bayley getting hurt, it was still going between four women. I am hoping with the Mae Young Classic, we get at least three more. My biggest hope is they dump the cruiserweights from Raw. The crowd hates them and they add nothing to the show. That time could be used for the tag or women's divisions that need a shot in the arm.



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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.09
The women's division needs a lot of help. Even with Bayley getting hurt, it was still going between four women.

I will never forgive the E for not debuting Ember Moon yesterday when there was an actual natural phenomenon named after her finisher happening.



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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.96
Finn Balor should be on Smackdown if they are serious about him and Smackdown since the Raw main event scene is full of big guys. He matches up much better with AJ, Nakamura, Owens, Roode and even Jinder than he does Roman, Braun, Cena and Lesnar. Might as well make Smackdown in Daniel Bryan's image.


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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.25
If someone introduces a beach ball to a wrestling audience, it seems like common courtesy to deflate that beach ball by any means necessary.



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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.26
I think Miz has done all Miz can do, as a character and as a performer. He's won the IC belt SEVEN time since 2012, beat Cena at Mania, etc. etc.

Of the active roster, there might be ten people who have been active longer and few of those are full-timers (Hardyz, Orton, maybe Goldust). Unless he pulls a Taker and adds MMA to his repertoire, he is going to be/has already been lapped by the new guys who fly around. His Miztourage is bland and not credible as a tag threat. It's not a team designed to help him cheat to the top (like the Singhs) nor can they form a stable of champions. It's a stasis bubble for the midcard, trapping the IC belt on a low-simmer champ.

So no, I wasn't thrilled when he got out there and did the same shtick against Cena and then ate the main event pinfall to advance someone else's angle(s). Put that belt on Cesaro if nothing else is to be done.

Jordan losing to Balor works for him. He's still learning, maybe still evolving as a character. Eventually he's gonna use Angle's moveset, and he'll get much more reaction.





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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.19
    Originally posted by Matt Tracker
    ordan losing to Balor works for him. He's still learning, maybe still evolving as a character. Eventually he's gonna use Angle's moveset, and he'll get much more reaction.



I'm not sure if this will happen or if he'll get decimated by some heel to bring Angle out of retirement -- then, of course, come back and turn on Angle for letting him get decimated.

One rumor I read said the "end game" in this was "I'm not your son, you idiot, I just told you that to get ahead. How stupid can you be?"
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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.96
    Originally posted by Matt Tracker
    I think Miz has done all Miz can do, as a character and as a performer. He's won the IC belt SEVEN time since 2012, beat Cena at Mania, etc. etc.



    So no, I wasn't thrilled when he got out there and did the same shtick against Cena and then ate the main event pinfall to advance someone else's angle(s). Put that belt on Cesaro if nothing else is to be done.





Last point first. Cesaro is on a very successful tag team where he gets to do ver impressive Cesaro things against other top guys near the top of the card and hide his inconsistent habits as a singles guy. Why would you want to put an IC belt on him? I don't understand the Underrated argument with this guy. If anything he is properly rated, but that's probably another argument altogether.

Miz on the other hand is one of the most important tools in the company's arsenal. You can point him in any direction and he can carry a feud with lesser opponents, can legitimately hang with main eventers who don't have a program or eat pins in tv main events without losing a shred of credibility. Miz is aces on the mic and held his own against a goofy bafoon John Cean promo that was about to crash and burn.

You could say you don't like Miz, but he isn't useless.

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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.30
    Originally posted by Hokienautic
      Originally posted by Matt Tracker
      ordan losing to Balor works for him. He's still learning, maybe still evolving as a character. Eventually he's gonna use Angle's moveset, and he'll get much more reaction.



    I'm not sure if this will happen or if he'll get decimated by some heel to bring Angle out of retirement -- then, of course, come back and turn on Angle for letting him get decimated.

    One rumor I read said the "end game" in this was "I'm not your son, you idiot, I just told you that to get ahead. How stupid can you be?"
Which is when his *real* son is revealed: the wrestling machine known as Chad Gable.




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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.37
Miz also got to fight in the IC title match at Wrestlemania 29....on the pre-show as fans were arriving.


He has a history of getting stuck on the pre-show at big PPVs.

I can see why he's bitter.


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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.26
    Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco
      Originally posted by Matt Tracker
      I think Miz has done all Miz can do, as a character and as a performer. He's won the IC belt SEVEN time since 2012, beat Cena at Mania, etc. etc.



      So no, I wasn't thrilled when he got out there and did the same shtick against Cena and then ate the main event pinfall to advance someone else's angle(s). Put that belt on Cesaro if nothing else is to be done.





    Last point first. Cesaro is on a very successful tag team where he gets to do ver impressive Cesaro things against other top guys near the top of the card and hide his inconsistent habits as a singles guy. Why would you want to put an IC belt on him? I don't understand the Underrated argument with this guy. If anything he is properly rated, but that's probably another argument altogether.

    Miz on the other hand is one of the most important tools in the company's arsenal. You can point him in any direction and he can carry a feud with lesser opponents, can legitimately hang with main eventers who don't have a program or eat pins in tv main events without losing a shred of credibility. Miz is aces on the mic and held his own against a goofy bafoon John Cean promo that was about to crash and burn.

    You could say you don't like Miz, but he isn't useless.




I didn't say useless. I think his use is limited and growing more so. I think his greatest strength is talking, and the WWE seems to agree. He has his talk segments, and he got the mic Monday right as Cena and Reigns start up.

But he seems to have hit the "enhancement" phase of his career, and the IC belt is just there until he can lose it to an ascending star. Jinder is doing virtuslly the same gimmick (stable, title, arrogant heel) to greater effect, and it feels like the WWE knows a major Miz push would be too similar.

Still, did anyone think Miz would have this kind of career? All the kudos to him for getting chances and running with them. He's the top title holder on RAW with Brock constantly working part time. But he needs something new, something different to stand out or stand above. He's treading water, saddled with a lower midcard posse and a stale station.



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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.19
Looks like Big Cass tore his Big ACL and will be out Big Months.

In related news, Enzo showed up on 205 Live last night. I guess that's better than NXT.
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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.44
The word going around for months was Enzo was probably headed to 205 after Summerslam, so I suspect Cass was supposed to boot him all the way to the C show. They've definitely established "people who used to be on RAW" are more important than "people who came thru the CWC", so I suspect Enzo will be feuding with Neville for quite a while and be champ at some point.



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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.19
Not sure he'll get the belt ... rumor is, of course, that this is a punishment for him. (I wonder how the CWs feel about their show being used to punish someone?) Allegedly his main saving grace is that he sells a lot of merch. So I guess that could lead back to him winning the title. Part of that rumor was that the move was to get him away from Vince for a bit, so odd that they've move him to a show that's part of Raw.
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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.46
I've been away on holiday and it was hard to get anything WWE related in Croatia so am playing catch up so had to skip a few things so might be missing out on some things.

Strowman needs to beat Lesnar. Lesnar is over with the 'hardcore' fans, but so was Strowman and having a champion show up regularly is important. Lesnar still has a role to play and not seeing the champ every week has been alright, but not long term. Strowman can have some good matches with the 'upper tier' and at the moment getting interest is important.

Balor can't be impressed with things compared to a year ago - apart from the injury of course! Sampson and English as a singing tag team could be great - musician and singer can be a lot of fun. Might need to be faces though!

Cena looks like he couldn't give a f*** with what he is doing at the moment. Backstage they must be saying 'ignore the beachballs' rather than play up to them so you get 'friendly' reactions that don't really work. Maybe it is only the major shows that get the mainstream fans from around the world giving their opinions during shows but there has to be something to be said for the people who will spend thousands of pounds (or dollars for you US people!) to travel to these shows. They might be seen as the hardcore fans who don't really count, but surely it shows something? Cena has had the sucks chant for years. Roman hasn't had a good reaction for ages. Reactions have to count for something. Don't they? Do Cena and Reigns want to see who can get the most boos or cheers for the most pushed babyfaces for years? Not good for anyone surely? Not a shock at Miz is pissed.

Apologies for that last paragraph. I will stop now and carry on with my whisky and end of Smackdown!

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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.53
Of course, "sells a lot of merchandise" led to Zack Ryder's punishment of no new merch for months and a demotion back to Superstars/Main Event.

Strowman needs to throw Lesnar around and beat him in five or so minutes. Just destruction. Build the guy up as a monster. Let him defend the belt for the next six months or so with continual destructive title defenses.

Maybe the can reboot the Cass thing when he's back. This attempt fell flat.

The womens division needs a boost. Get this shakeup going and promote Asuka, Ember, Peyton, Billie. The only four who get real contention now are Sasha, Alexa, Nia, and Bayley. Alicia and Emma are there to take the pins. We could use a fresh face or two.
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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.38
    Originally posted by andy1278
    OfThe womens division needs a boost. Get this shakeup going and promote Asuka, Ember, Peyton, Billie. The only four who get real contention now are Sasha, Alexa, Nia, and Bayley. Alicia and Emma are there to take the pins. We could use a fresh face or two.


Yeah, but it's not like Emma and Dana (remember Dana?) and Mickie (remember Mickie?) can't work, and couldn't be used if they wanted to freshen things up. The problem is that RAW only seems to be able to concentrate on two or three women at a time, and the show forgets about everyone else. Contrast that with Smackdown, which only really has Charlotte and Becky, but the show uses every woman they have, even Tamina. I'd really only recommend bringing up Peyton and Billie right now (Asuka's hurt, and Ember is legit not ready for the main roster), but I'd put them both on Smackdown, where they're much more desperately needed.
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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.37
That Cena/Reigns confrontation was the LAZIEST setup ever.

Cena: "There's someone I want to face"

(Reigns music hits)

What if he wasn't even talking about Reigns? He could have had beef with Aiden English for all we know.

At least have them bump into each other in passing or something.
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