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TONIGHT: A quadruple main event in the go-home show for No Way Out: John Cena vs. Mark Henry, HBK vs. Jeff Hardy, Vince vs. Hornswoggle and Chris Jericho vs. JBL. And it starts.meow!

-Awwwthey cut off the dog show announcers before they could tell me that WWE RAW was next on USA!

-WWE Open.

-Cold open, taped from Austin, Texas, and Hornswoggles music hit.

(1) Hornswoggle vs. Vince McMahon- No DQ
A lock-up(!) and Hornswoggle was pushed down. Same thing again. Vince encouraged Horny to hit him but he couldnt. After much consternation, he finally slapped Vince. This led to Vince taking off his belt to whip Horny. Before he could, Finlay came out and Vince bailed. He got a mic and yelled at Fit for sticking his nose into family business. Vince said Finlay was about to throw his career away for Honrswoggle. Mr. McMahon told Finlay to get out of his ring. Before he could say youre fired, Fit backed away. As Finlay turned his back to leave, Vince told Horny that Finlay wasnt a friend, but a coward. Vince pushed Hornswoggle to the mat and Finlay nailed him with a shillaleigh shot (after a wink). Tadpole splash and its over.

Winner: Hornswoggle at 5:40.

[Break]

-Vince was getting iced backstage when William Regal came upon the scene. He asked if there was anything he could do for Vince; Vince told him to get some dismissal papers, because hes firing Finlay tonight.

(2) JBL vs. Chris Jericho
Jerichos chest looked quite raw (no pun intended) tonight. Two extended lock-ups and JBL got a thumb to the eye, or a headbutt, depending on which announcer you trust more. Y2J took JBL to the outside for some brawlin. Back in the ring, Jericho went for the Walls. Damn! Andy the preacher tripped up as he climbed the eliminator and lost. Thats your American Gladiators update for ya. JBL landed hard on his shoulder as he was dropkicked to the outside. Spinning heel kick by Jericho. He went for the springboard dropkick, but JBL got the boot up.

[Break]

Short-arm clothesline, and another from Layfield. Sleeper by JBL. That ended up flooring our Paragon of Virtue. JBL propped Jericho up on the top turnbuckle and JBL tattooed him with rights. I thought a superplex was when the person doing it was on the top rope? Now theyre calling it a superplex even when the suplexer is standing on the middle rope. Jericho blocked said suplex and came down on the back of Bradshaw with a flying forearm. Jericho quickened the pace and hit a middle-rope dropkick. JBL caught a cross-body and a fall-away slam was reversed into a DDT by Jericho. JBL got his boot up on a charge. He missed a clothesline and Jericho hit the CodeBreaker for three.

Winner: Jericho at 13:52.

-Umaga came out and attacked Jericho.and then JBL. So much for the investment.

[Break]

-Still to come, John Cena vs. Mark Henry, the worlds most strongest man, according to JR.

-Mike Adamle previewed Cena vs. Orton at No Way Out. Hes getting better. A video package aired on the subject. Not of Adamle getting better, but of the match.

-Regal knocked on Mr. McMahons door backstage and handed him the papers. Regal offered to do Vinces dirty work for him. Vince said firing Finlay would be too good for him. Instead, hes fighting Hornswoggle next week.in a steel cage match.

[Break]

-WWE reminds you: There are no short-cuts to your goals. Ironic.on so many levels.

-HBK vs. Hardy is tonight. They shouldve been plugging this match and the Cena one from the start.

(3) Paul Burchill vs. Brian Kendrick
Paul was accompanied by his sister, Katie Lea Burchill. Lea did some mic work. Whatever Katie wants, Katie always gets, Paul said. Kendrick did not looking happy coming to the ring. Some work on the arm started things from Kendrick. Great exchange by JR and King:

JR: Burchill comes to Raw with much fanfare, 247 out of London.
King: And his sisters hot too.
JR: (dryly) .thats Hall-of-Famer Jerry Lawler.

Kendrick hit a running forearm in the corner but missed a cross-body. A surfboard stomp by Burchill and then a Roll-of-the-Dice for three.

Winner: Burchill at 3:55. This gimmick disappoints me two-fold: One, because its icky. And two, because I liked his pirate gimmick on Smackdown, and how it came about.

-Cena is backstage, heading to the ring for his match, which is next.

[Break]

-Randy Orton came out and made it a three-way with JR and King. Announcing, of course. Sickos.

(4) Mark Henry vs. John Cena
Powerslam by Henry. No word on how the Worlds Strongest Man came to fight on Raw the last few weeks. Chocke on Cena in the corner. Hard whip into the corner and Cenas down. Henry took the top turnbuckle pad off and Cena fought back. Henry locked in a full-nelson. Henry ran into the exposed turnbuckle on a corner charge that missed. Cena met him with a shoulderblock off the second rope and the STFU ended it.

Winner: Cena at 2:41.

-Cena got the mic post-match and addressed Randy Orton. Cena said he was 100%. Hes stronger, and more focused than ever. He said Sunday, theres no way out for Orton.

[Break]

-Mr. Kennedy came out to get Flairs answer on whether hes going to forfeit their No Way Out match. Id forgotten all about this. Naitch came out and talked about the way things used to be- how he paved the way for guys like Kennedy. Flair said he aint forfeiting because hes a 16-time World Champ- and he knows Kennedy respects that because thats what Kennedy wants to be ONCE. Oh, snap! Flair said hed live to fight another day. They stood toe-to-toe. KK feigned backing off, but dropkicked Flair right in his injured leg.

[Break]

-Next week, its Hornswoggle vs. Mr. McMahon in a steel cage.

(5) Melina vs. Maria
Santino was on commentary, and Jillian came out with Melina. Melina opened with some offense, and locked in an octopus-like submission. Maria came back with a few clotheslines and a gut-buster. Running bulldog, but Jillian distracted Maria with screaming (or singing) before the cover. That wasnt working, so she grabbed Santino and made out with him. That did the trick, as Melina rolled Maria up for the pin and the win.

Winner: Melina at 3:32.

-Santino apologized after the match and said thats what happens when you associate yourself with Playboy. He said the Playboy curse has struck Ashley, Torrie and Candice and Maria will be next. He made an ultimatum: Playboy or Santino. Maria has one week to decide. They locked lips for some tongue massaging before Santino left.

[Break]

-They showed a preview of the Gillette Young Guns commercial with John Cena teaching some Nascar drivers how to wrestle. It will debut during the Daytona 500 this Sunday. Among the drivers: Denny Hamlin, Ryan Newman, Kurt Busch, Carl Edwards, and Kasey Kahne.

-JR and King previewed the No Way Out card. I really like the Seether song theyre using as the theme; its different than a lot of the basic rock themes they use.

-A short video package on Triple H aired.

[Break]

-Candice Michelle returns.sometime.

(6) Shawn Michaels vs. Jeff Hardy
Hard chop by HBK and each man tried to end it early. Shawn was clotheslined over the top. He moved to avoid Jeff flying through the air, but Hardy landed on his feet. They traded slaps on the outside. Hardy walked into a sleeper, which he countered into a back suplex. HBK did the Flair corner sell. Hardy tried to back suplex him off the top, but HBK turned it into a cross-body in mid-air. Hardy skinned the cat to come back in, but was met with a stiff clothesline. A unique inverted atomic drop by Hardy. Jeff ran the rails on the outside, but was plucked out of the air by HBK and power-slammed.

[Break]

HBK was content to work the lower back, whipping Hardy from pillar to post. Bow-and-arrow by Michaels, followed up by a swinging neck-breaker. Half-Boston crab on Hardy. He struggled to get to the ropes, but finally did. Enziguiri by Hardy and both men were down. Michaels found himself again crotched on the top rope. He pushed Hardy off and missed an elbowdrop. Whisper in the Wind from Jeff for two. Flying forearm by HBK, followed by his usual set-up to the superkick. It missed, but so did the Twist of Fate, so HBK put Hardy in his leg-lock. Hardy found the ropes again, hit the Twist of Fate and the Swan-ton and picked up the win.

Winner: Hardy at 19:51. Great match. Finish was a bit eh, but really, a great match.
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The highlight for me was the John Cena 'Don't Use Steroids/or take shortcuts' commercial. It was the first time I've seen it and it makes his comeback all the more magical to me.

The HBK/Hardy match was good, although Michaels matches just seem the same to me after all these years. It was nice to see a clean finish, but if I were a betting man I'd put big money on Michaels eliminating Hardy in the Chamber match.

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I missed the show so out of curiosity, was the main event for the IC title?

Oddly enough, I was watching last weeks TNA after The Terminator:SCC was on. I haven't seen the first hour of Raw in a few weeks now.

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Jeff Hardy is still on the best run of his life. If he doesn't win on Sunday, then he'd better have something HUGE lined up for him at Wrestlemania or it'll all go to waste. If they absolutely HAVE to keep him out of the main event, why not put him over big in another Money in the Bank match?

I loved the Finlay/Regal matches in WCW, but that was 12 years ago. Can they still bring it? If so, I can't wait, because these guys work really stiff against each other. Maybe Regal can resurrect the half-nelson suplex that everyone not named Rob Van Dam is too much of a wuss to take.

JBL was sucking wind minutes into his match with Jericho. Yeah, I can see why they were just DYING to take JBL out of the announce table for the comeback tour that nobody asked for. At least Jericho went over clean. I also liked Umaga laying everyone out.

The Raw EC has been built up pretty well, but it'd be pretty ludicrous if Triple H wins after being completely absent from the last two Raws.




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A superplex is when you use the middle turnbuckle. A superduperplex is when you use the top turnbuckle.

I don't see why they'd book Burchill against Kendrick and have him not use the C4 finisher. If Regal could take it, Brian could.

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    Originally posted by Matt Tracker
    I don't see why they'd book Burchill against Kendrick and have him not use the C4 finisher. If Regal could take it, Brian could.
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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.61
    Originally posted by CRZ
      Originally posted by Matt Tracker
      I don't see why they'd book Burchill against Kendrick and have him not use the C4 finisher. If Regal could take it, Brian could.
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Nope, I'm just the "obsessed with finishers" guy.

I hate the Roll of the Dice (Riggins/Test) as much as I hate the Play of the Day (Skipper/Orton/MVP).

Burchill also used a running moonsault finisher in addition to his backflip uranage. And they give him the Roll of the Dice? Lame City.



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I'm glad they didn't have him use the C4, because it looks dumb.

Visually impressive? Yeah. But it takes a lot to "suspend disbelief" when you have to watch two guys jumping for the move to work.



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    Originally posted by Matt Tracker
    A superplex is when you use the middle turnbuckle. A superduperplex is when you use the top turnbuckle.

I can't tell if that's sarcasm or not, but I've never heard them call it that before.

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    Originally posted by It's False
    Jeff Hardy is still on the best run of his life.


Don't think they'll pull a Jeff Hardy payoff just yet but I agree he's really getting a some quality build under him now. I woudln't have minded him carrying the strap if they did it at Rumble but they didn't so I'm on the wait and watch list to see if it goes somewhere or becomes a huge bust.



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    Originally posted by It's False
    Maybe Regal can resurrect the half-nelson suplex that everyone not named Rob Van Dam is too much of a wuss to take.


Right, because then we all complain about a lack of roster-depth due to (neck) injuries. And then potentially complain about how the evil WWE doesn't do enough to protect the health of its wrestlers when said injuries cause them to: prematurely return to the ring; risking further injury (or potential addiction), or wrestle a protected style some people believe is "boring," or whatever else that makes the wrestler(s) appear less attractive post-injury.

A half-nelson suplex looks cool and is a realistic enough move because it is a real move. It's incredibly hard to protect someone when your only braces are your hand behind their neck and your hand around their waist. If somehow you managed to execute that move to someone in a real fight, you'd most likely either give whiplash, a concussion or cracked neck. They wouldn't be getting up so quickly.

At least suplexes like Germans can be somewhat protected by the taker doing a basic bump and landing on his shoulder blades. If RVD is able to take a half-nelson, I'd assume it's because he's considerably more flexible than most.

    Originally posted by Matt Tracker
    I don't see why they'd book Burchill against Kendrick and have him not use the C4 finisher. If Regal could take it, Brian could.


    Originally posted by Excalibur05
    Visually impressive? Yeah. But it takes a lot to "suspend disbelief" when you have to watch two guys jumping for the move to work.


Suspension of disbelief has nothing to do with it, in my view. It's the same argument. Pro wrestling is supposed to be a worked SHOOT, NOT a worked WORK. By the time you setup someone for that move in real life, they'd have already implanted their elbow in the side of your face. Not to mention the fact they'd never move while you landed on the back of your head attempting the flip. That's why there's no such thing as "rest holds," only people who don't know how to sell appropriately while applying or receiving one.

This isn't to say flashy moves/holds don't have their place -- because it is pro wrestling after all so please don't counter with "Well, what about X,Y,Z move(s), they're equally silly," because that's not the point. Flashy moves need to have their logically correct place and use. This is especially true in a climate where UFC/MMA (style) is becoming increasingly popular.




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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.76
    Originally posted by jwrestle
      Originally posted by It's False
      Jeff Hardy is still on the best run of his life.


    Don't think they'll pull a Jeff Hardy payoff just yet but I agree he's really getting a some quality build under him now. I woudln't have minded him carrying the strap if they did it at Rumble but they didn't so I'm on the wait and watch list to see if it goes somewhere or becomes a huge bust.


I was surprised that Jeff still got the rock star treatment last night, and hope they come up with something better for him than MITB. Somehow, I doubt it. Same with Jericho, but at least he may have this JBL feud behind him. Hell, if nothing else, do Jeff vs. Jericho at WM 24. Perhaps they were both put over strong last night to make it even better when they eat a Pedigree at the PPV from a guy who has been off of TV for 2 weeks. I know he had a family emergency, but still..




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Having never seen the C4, I went to Youtube and saw it. Not terribly impressed. Looks just extrremely crappy.


However, if somebody could pull #4 from this list off in the WWE, I'd be their biggest fan.
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    Originally posted by StaggerLee
    Having never seen the C4, I went to Youtube and saw it. Not terribly impressed. Looks just extrremely crappy.


    However, if somebody could pull #4 from this list off in the WWE, I'd be their biggest fan.
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=8EFOJ5s6688&feature=related


You know what'd be really nice if someone in WWE used it? #7.

Only problem with that list is at least half of it consists of head-droppy moves we will never see in WWE. Although no one on the current roster uses the heel hook, right? There's an option.



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As much as I cringed when I would see Perry Saturn walking to the ring with so many piercings, I hated it even more to see Jeff Hardy add the lip ring to his in-ring wardrobe. Any careless swinging neckbreaker or bulldog could rip that thing right out. I'm not sure if it was the powerslam by Michaels on the outside or not that caused Jeff to bleed, but it seems like the other wrestler has his hands full enough trying to protect his opponent without having to worry about yanking a mouth piercing out of a guy's face.
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    Originally posted by Whattaburger
    Right, because then we all complain about a lack of roster-depth due to (neck) injuries.


I agree with most of what you said, but I dunno about this. I would really seriously doubt a German suplex is safer to take than a lot of moves where you land on your head. I mean, jeez, how many people were having neck surgeries and spinal fusions back in the day, when piledrivers were common? Not nearly as many as went down during the five-german-suplex-unprotected-chairshot-TLC-match-every-two-months-spear-that-gets-missed-and-guy-bashes-head-into-the-turnbuckle era. So, all of that stuff still happens (albeit a little less), but we can't see a competent guy do a piledriver anymore? Or a half-nelson suplex, as the example went. Doesn't make for entertaining wrestling viewing. I mean, they have trained the most boring set of workers in recent years that I think I've ever seen in my life. Cody Rhodes and Harry Smith seem to think a dropkick is a highspot. WWE can't just make it 1982 again because they feel like it. This stuff is not going get anybody over in the 21st century. There's got to be a happy medium we can arrive at.

Only saw HBK/Hardy. Very good match. Jeff may manage to stay relevant here. All in all, though, the whole Rumble-shot at No Way Out thing has totally deflated me.

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    Originally posted by Excalibur05
    I'm glad they didn't have him use the C4, because it looks dumb.

    Visually impressive? Yeah. But it takes a lot to "suspend disbelief" when you have to watch two guys jumping for the move to work.


I'm 100% with you, Excalibur05. It was a finishing move that took much to believe in and was too rube-goldbergian for Burchill to exicute by himself. Anyway, I don't think his finishers are his main problem- it's his gimmicks. Burchill is a really good wrestler who got a medicore pirate gimmick and made it work. And yet Vince says that it isn't working, so he gives Burchill an even crappier gimmick involving incest. I get the feeling that unfortunately Burchill will end up like Terry 'The Red Rooster' Taylor, a talented wrestler remember mostly for a lame-ass persona.
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