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#41 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.40
    Originally posted by spf
    I always figured that it was like how NFL announcers meet up with both teams a few days before the game to talk to them and get angles on stories. The wrestlers, being egomaniacal glory hounds one and all, make sure to get that info to the announcers so that their brilliant name for their brilliant move gets out to the public.


I can't figure out if this was meant seriously or sarcastically (probably a bit of both). But speaking seriously, wouldn't a wrestler debuting a "new" move, especially a submission one, have to try it out on some guys first and kind of get feedback on how it should be improved and how it should be sold and all that? I can see the announcer being in on that sort of preliminary conversation so he knows what he's talking about.

Re Jericho's short hair: I think if he turned into a ruthless heel I could buy it a lot more with the new 'do than I could ever have before. Much more businesslike, kind of like how The Rock wouldn't have become "The Rock" if he would have kept the goofy curls. (C'mon, try to picture it. I can't.)

(edited by JayJayDean on 21.11.07 0833)


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#42 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.91
    Originally posted by JayJayDean
      Originally posted by spf
      I always figured that it was like how NFL announcers meet up with both teams a few days before the game to talk to them and get angles on stories. The wrestlers, being egomaniacal glory hounds one and all, make sure to get that info to the announcers so that their brilliant name for their brilliant move gets out to the public.


    I can't figure out if this was meant seriously or sarcastically (probably a bit of both). But speaking seriously, wouldn't a wrestler debuting a "new" move, especially a submission one, have to try it out on some guys first and kind of get feedback on how it should be improved and how it should be sold and all that? I can see the announcer being in on that sort of preliminary conversation so he knows what he's talking about.(edited by JayJayDean on 21.11.07 0833)


We're talking more in a "kayfabe" kind of way here.
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#43 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.40
    Originally posted by Hokienautic
    We're talking more in a "kayfabe" kind of way here.


That's what I meant but I said "sarcastically" instead because it's been so long that I used that term that I couldn't put my finger on it.




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#44 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.16
    Originally posted by JayJayDean
      Originally posted by Hokienautic
      We're talking more in a "kayfabe" kind of way here.


    That's what I meant but I said "sarcastically" instead because it's been so long that I used that term that I couldn't put my finger on it.


I figured that was what you meant. And yes, I was talking in Kayfabe. Imagining Gorilla Monsoon walking through the locker room, sitting down with each guy to get their thoughts before a taping of Superstars.
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#45 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.26


Two things about Jericho's first entrance:

1. Nobody has made a better or more anticipated entrance ever in the WWE/F. I remember gettng chills with the countdown and exploding when Jericho's name came on the Titontron. Just an awesome day 1.

2. Nobody holds a candle to The Rock. I think people forget how good he was since he ahs been gone so long. He had EVERY PERSON eating out of the palm of his hand. There is no doubt in my mind that when you look at in ring and on the mic, The Rock was the best the WWF/E has ever had.



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#46 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.51
    Originally posted by spf
      Originally posted by JayJayDean
        Originally posted by Hokienautic
        We're talking more in a "kayfabe" kind of way here.


      That's what I meant but I said "sarcastically" instead because it's been so long that I used that term that I couldn't put my finger on it.


    I figured that was what you meant. And yes, I was talking in Kayfabe. Imagining Gorilla Monsoon walking through the locker room, sitting down with each guy to get their thoughts before a taping of Superstars.


I remember when Edge debuted his move "The Edge O Matic," I remember Lawler saying "I was talking to Edge earlier, and he said he was going to try and hit that move tonight! He calls it the Edge O Matic." So I guess the idea is that they do talk to the announcers before the show. In fact I feel like the announcers say that kind of thing a lot, like "I spoke with Jamie Noble earlier and he can't wait to get his hands on Jimmy Wang Yang" or something.
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#47 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.76
That, or more than likely it's what Vince is telling them to say thru their headsets.
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#48 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.24
    Originally posted by Wpob


    Two things about Jericho's first entrance:

    1. Nobody has made a better or more anticipated entrance ever in the WWE/F. I remember gettng chills with the countdown and exploding when Jericho's name came on the Titontron. Just an awesome day 1.

    2. Nobody holds a candle to The Rock. I think people forget how good he was since he ahs been gone so long. He had EVERY PERSON eating out of the palm of his hand. There is no doubt in my mind that when you look at in ring and on the mic, The Rock was the best the WWF/E has ever had.


Wow, what a difference between his debut in 99 and last Monday. I'm not really a fan of WWE/F Jericho, so I'm a little biased, but I was so underwhelmed and unimpressed by his return speech. He seemed more like a charachature of his old Y2J persona and it seemed his material was stuff cobled together from old, unused Rock promos. His debut speech in '99 was fantastic and more WCW "Paragon Of Virtue" Jericho, relying less on catchphrases and showed his natural charisma.

(edited by DirtyMikeSeaver on 21.11.07 1129)


Kevin Kelly: "Mr. Austin, would you like to comment on Wade Keller's Take that endorsing the XFL hurts your anti-authority character?"

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#49 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.09
    Originally posted by DirtyMikeSeaver
      Originally posted by Wpob


      Two things about Jericho's first entrance:

      1. Nobody has made a better or more anticipated entrance ever in the WWE/F. I remember gettng chills with the countdown and exploding when Jericho's name came on the Titontron. Just an awesome day 1.

      2. Nobody holds a candle to The Rock. I think people forget how good he was since he ahs been gone so long. He had EVERY PERSON eating out of the palm of his hand. There is no doubt in my mind that when you look at in ring and on the mic, The Rock was the best the WWF/E has ever had.


    Wow, what a difference between his debut in 99 and last Monday. I'm not really a fan of WWE/F Jericho, so I'm a little biased, but I was so underwhelmed and unimpressed by his return speech. He seemed more like a charachature of his old Y2J persona and it seemed his material was stuff cobled together from old, unused Rock promos. His debut speech in '99 was fantastic and more WCW "Paragon Of Virtue" Jericho, relying less on catchphrases and showed his natural charisma.

    (edited by DirtyMikeSeaver on 21.11.07 1129)

The problem I had with Monday was that if felt like it was scripted to be a "big moment" instead of actually BEING a big moment. Both Jericho and Orton sounded like they were rattling off memorized lines instead of reacting naturally to each other. (Orton always has this problem, though.)

This was similar to the Goldberg debut (which, despite all the praise for The Rock, even he couldn't save). In both cases, the surprise was already out of the bag, which sucked a lot of heat out of the segment. And in both cases the promo lines just didn't flow. (Weren't the segment setups the same too? I'm remembering that it was Rock Appreciation Night.)

But in general, I'm happy Jericho's back. He'll get me watching again, at least to see what he does...which is what WWE was hoping for anyway, right?



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#50 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.44
I had a chance to pull out my old tape, and grab some screenshots from then and now, just to see how Jericho's changed:



Arms look the same, body thickness looks about the same.. the obvious difference is the hair of course. Not bad for 8 years down the road, think of all the Presidents and how bad they tend to look "after". But I think the thing that may be throwing us a bit are the impossibly bright "Hollywood" teeth. That, and the voice one pitch higher than we remember.

I think he ad-libbed the "Never..ever..Never..ever...Evvvvvv-er!" bit on the fly, and that's a good start for a "sing-along" type catchphrase. As far as the pop, the Allstate Arena was ready to explode if they brought him out at No Mercy. The millennium countdown in '99 had a distinct end point from the start, while in contrast - the Save_Us gimmick wasn't helped any by the delayed reveal, magazine cover leak, etc.

A few other notes from the show, after a second viewing..

HBK continues to impress, and maybe Kennedy's getting out of the doghouse at last.

Santino continues his roll on the mic, although it was the first time in years I remember someone being unable to get out of a backslide - not sure what the point is of losing to King that way.

If that's how they're going to have the Divas work, maybe there's a reason they hire six of them each time the Diva Search rolls around? Like "replacements". Looked to me like Melina took a knee to the side of the head.

It's a testament to the burial of Carlito that he only got one mention in this entire thread outside of the recap.

So who does Flair come back to feud with on Raw? Get involved with Cody somehow??



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#51 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.57
I have to disagree with where some view Jericho will be placed heading to Mania. Mania is in the Southeast this year, and the Southeast has a history of vicious blood feuds, from Magnum T.A. vs. Tully Blanchard (culminating in the I Quit Match), Dusty Rhodes vs. Kevin Sullivan (the ultimate wrestling battle of Good vs. Evil) and Tommy Rich vs. Buzz Sawyer (which culminated in the Last Battle of Atlanta, a match neither ever recovered from). I see Jericho in that sort of epic match at Mania, as he will face Snitsky in a Battle To Determine Which Brand of Coffee is Served Backstage. It will be the epic struggle that will be passed on through the ages.
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#52 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.48
I just hope and pray Jericho gets someone to dress him better, because the shiny vest has just GOT to go.

That shit is UGLY!

(edited by Cerebus on 22.11.07 1906)


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Chris Jericho = Jon Bon Jovi


And I mean that as a compliment.




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