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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.00
The news is in, and it ain't good:

http://www.wwe.com/shows/raw/articles/5267524/cenainjuryupdate

Complete tear of the pectoral muscle, out 6-8 months...title vacant.

(edited by JoshMann on 2.10.07 1614)


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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.64


Yikes! Screw the idea of World Champion Randy Orton. That prognosis kills off any WRESTLEMANIA plans they might have had!




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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.91
    Originally posted by thecubsfan

      [Orton] said he was waiting in Chicago rather than being in Cleveland



      After the match, Randy Orton came out and RKO’d Cena.


    Is this the second or third time they've done this exact same bit in this feud? Is this supposed to be building to something or intensely lazy writing?

Randy Orton - Legend Killer Geographical Liar

Oh, and so much for Kennedy being positioned as a big star and being revealed as the real son of Vince McMahon upon his return. I'm sure the possibility exists that they could still do that, but they didn't make Kennedy so much as look like a star let alone push him in his return. He didn't even appear on the show before he came out to do the job, Cena didn't even mention him during his promo on the show, and the announcers didn't mention him unless they were prompted to by the graphic that appeared a couple times. C'est la vie.

And I find it funny that Undertaker will do stuff to put over Mark Henry as a threat, and yet HHH won't do anything but exchange offense with the guy who's been the biggest monster heel in the company for the past two years. Bullpoopy.

Terrible, terrible news about Cena having to vacate if that isn't a work. And those who are worried about Randy Orton holding the belt...hoo boy. Orton holding the belt is just going to be a setup for Triple You-know-who to have another title reign. Personally, as much as I like Orton, I would much rather see him with the belt than tHHHor.

(edited by Deputy Marshall on 2.10.07 1623)


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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.67
Some people might scoff, but this is just as bad from a product quality standpoint as losing Michaels and Edge. (From a WWE money-making standpoint it's obviously by far the most devastating.) Even when HBK and E, the two Best Workers Left, were injured, Cena was still able to have good to great main events with Umaga, Lashley, Orton, and even Khali. OTOH, Triple H has shown nothing in the ring since he came back, and so much of Cena's value (to my own entertainment) was that he was the only guy who could displace Hunter. Shit and rats.

Man, what's with all these main eventers tearing muscles and having to vacate the world title. Hmmmmm
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#25 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.90
My question: Who are they going to give credit for the injury to? Will they say it happened in the course of the match with Kennedy, or will they try to claim it was another Legend Killer knockout?
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#26 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.30
I know we are all supposed to be praying for Y2J or something like that, but I'll take me some RVD or even some Big Show at this point.

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#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.05
    Originally posted by Hokienautic
    My question: Who are they going to give credit for the injury to? Will they say it happened in the course of the match with Kennedy, or will they try to claim it was another Legend Killer knockout?


They acknowledge in the article that it was during the match with Kennedy. If they acknowledge it on TV, that is a different story. It would make sense feud-wise to claim that Orton did it on TV.



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#28 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.64
    Originally posted by Zeruel
      Originally posted by Hokienautic
      My question: Who are they going to give credit for the injury to? Will they say it happened in the course of the match with Kennedy, or will they try to claim it was another Legend Killer knockout?


    They acknowledge in the article that it was during the match with Kennedy. If they acknowledge it on TV, that is a different story. It would make sense feud-wise to claim that Orton did it on TV.


Although if they claim it's Kennedy, it can give Kennedy a big lift by letting him claim he took out both Cena AND Lashley.

Of course, since this Cena injury occurred on a botched Kennedy hiptoss spot, it's more likely that this'll end any hope of Kennedy being in the main event. It's one thing to bring bad publicity to the company by getting involved in a steroids ring, but taking out the company's #1 star and screwing up the company's main event plans for the next 6-8 months on a botched spot? I'll be shocked if he gets another pinfall win or high profile feud for the rest of his WWE tenure.

    Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco
    I know we are all supposed to be praying for Y2J or something like that, but I'll take me some RVD or even some Big Show at this point.


Honestly, if a dump truck full of money hasn't been backed into Big Show's front yard by now, I'd be incredibly shocked.

(edited by It's False on 2.10.07 1512)


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#29 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.07
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    Some people might scoff, but this is just as bad from a product quality standpoint as losing Michaels and Edge. (From a WWE money-making standpoint it's obviously by far the most devastating.) Even when HBK and E, the two Best Workers Left, were injured, Cena was still able to have good to great main events with Umaga, Lashley, Orton, and even Khali. OTOH, Triple H has shown nothing in the ring since he came back, and so much of Cena's value (to my own entertainment) was that he was the only guy who could displace Hunter. Shit and rats.

    Man, what's with all these main eventers tearing muscles and having to vacate the world title. Hmmmmm


The saddest part is it comes in the midst of Cena having one of the best years of anyone's career over the past decade. He's been drawing crowds, selling merch and having great matches. With everyone.

Totally the last thing WWE needed in a year already full of crap.
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#30 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.32
I have made it clear many times in my posts that I ma not a big fan of Cena the character, but I have never heard a bad word about Cena, the man. He seems like a decent guy, and it sucks that his historical title reign has to end like this. Man, this has to be the worst year for injuries that I can ever remember.

Company wise, I wonder what they will do. They tried to get Shawn to come back a month ago when the suspensions were announced, but he apparently was not ready physically. I have heard that Edge is about ready to come back, but he may be too fragile to be a long term champ. Plus, I doubt they would be eager to put the belt on a guy due to an injury who already forfeited a title earlier in the year for the same reason.

Perfect opportunity for Jericho to come back...and job the belt to HHH. ; )




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#31 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.78
    Originally posted by kentish
    Man, this has to be the worst year for injuries that I can ever remember.

Y'know, it DOES feel like there's significantly more injuries to today's superstar wrestlers than in, say, the 70s, 80s, and most of the 90s. Other than an occasional plane crash, guys like Flair, Hogan, Savage, Piper, etc. were almost always around.

Maybe it's more perception than reality. Maybe wrestlers were better trained back then. Maybe it's the style of wrestling. Maybe injuries today are just better publicized. Maybe it's luck.

Any theories?



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#32 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.00
I think it's kind of like a football team. Some years, teams have very few major injuries and some years there are teams that seem like it's an epidemic, and it's not as if their schedule or regimen varies all that much from year to year. Sometimes this stuff just happens.

But it's not like the style/regimen changed all that much from last year, where there were relatively fewer injuries. Sometimes guys just take bad steps that are an inch off or their bump is two degrees off from where it needs to be and that makes all the difference in the world.


(edited by JoshMann on 2.10.07 1920)


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#33 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.59
I am by no means a cena fan but as a person who is going to
all state arena in a few days i was looking foward to this match. Seeing as how most of the main eventers are out and i would hate to sit through Orton/HHH. At this point so close to the event I would love to see Y2J, Big Show, RVD hell bring Taker over to raw and give him the belt....
Ya know that would work out fine then he could have a nice match with Kennedy at Wrestle mania
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#34 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.32
This is gonna sound callous, but good, I'm glad Cena is gone. It was gonna take an act of God to get that belt off of Cena and here it is.

This has nothing to do with what a great guy Cena is backstage or anything (I care as little about that as I do about what a dick Orton is supposed to be, which is why everyone hates his guts). This is all about what as a fan I'm simply tired of watching. I was tired of John Cena a year ago. Cena on the DL forces a change at the top of RAW and change is always good. (Save your Triple H and Randy Orton bitching). I welcome something different, not even new but different, at the top of RAW.

Meanwhile, Undertaker is back. Triple H is back. Chris Jericho is rumored to be returning, supposedly. Flair is due back soon for his rumored final run. Edge is back next month. HBK will be back as well. Meanwhile, Cena and Bobby Lashley are on the shelf.

None of that sounds bad to me. I'll be happy to have 6-8 months not having to watch John Cena. He can take his time recovering. WWE will not fall apart without him.

And everyone will still have Triple H to bitch and moan about.

(edited by John Orquiola on 2.10.07 1637)

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#35 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.16
    Originally posted by John Orquiola
    This is gonna sound callous, but good, I'm glad Cena is gone. It was gonna take an act of God to get that belt off of Cena and here it is.

    This has nothing to do with what a great guy Cena is backstage or anything (I care as little about that as I do about what a dick Orton is supposed to be, which is why everyone hates his guts). This is all about what as a fan I'm simply tired of watching. I was tired of John Cena a year ago. Cena on the DL forces a change at the top of RAW and change is always good. (Save your Triple H and Randy Orton bitching). I welcome something different, not even new but different, at the top of RAW.

    Meanwhile, Undertaker is back. Triple H is back. Chris Jericho is rumored to be returning, supposedly. Flair is due back soon for his rumored final run. Edge is back next month. HBK will be back as well. Meanwhile, Cena and Bobby Lashley are on the shelf.

    None of that sounds bad to me. I'll be happy to have 6-8 months not having to watch John Cena. He can take his time recovering. WWE will not fall apart without him.

    And everyone will still have Triple H to bitch and moan about.

    (edited by John Orquiola on 2.10.07 1637)

At least with Cena on top we got most good to very good matches on PPV. Enjoy the endless Orton v. HHH cluster about to ensue, with plenty of ** matches to fill that void.
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#36 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.57
The company has 3 world title belts, and all 3 have been vacated since Wrestlemania. There was a time where you could go a decade without seeing a world title vacated. I guess Shawn Michaels was a visionary back in 1997 afterall.
This is where ignoring the mid-card comes back to haunt the company, as where there should be roster depth there is none.
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#37 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.67
    Originally posted by rv581
    "Man, this has to be the worst year for injuries that I can ever remember." Any theories?


I posit: a combination of using increasingly older stars with knee problems (Shawn Michaels, Rey Mysterio), increasingly older stars who are still maintaining bodybuilder bodies (Triple H, Batista), increasingly older stars who take on a renewed commitment to a full-time schedule and the physical requirements of the top spot (Undertaker), not-as-old stars with huge physiques (John Cena, Bobby Lashley), and not-as-older stars with not-as-big physiques whose names still showed up on internet pharmacy steroid purchases (Edge, Ken Kennedy, Mysterio).

I don't think steroids making muscle tears more likely is the blanket reason for everyone, because dudes have always been on steroids going back to when everyone was having spinal fusion, not muscle tears. Michaels and Rey have always had bad knees. And sometimes dudes are just gonna fuck up and get hurt. But everyone is getting closer to or past 40. Still, I've never seen a year where EIGHT headliners in one company got injured.


    Originally posted by John Orquiola
    Cena on the DL forces a change at the top of RAW and change is always good.


But what about, like, change for the worse? If this forces their hand and makes them give Flair or Jericho huge runs like they've never gotten in WWE before, then, absolutely, party time for me. But if they plug the gap the same way they have for everyone else this year, I'm going to say this is not good.


    I welcome something different, not even new but different, at the top of RAW.


Vince vs. Triple H: different, in that they'll now have twice as many segments.

(edited by JustinShapiro on 2.10.07 2244)
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#38 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.46
Personally I was tired of seeing Cena with the belt too. Cena's character just doesn't work for me, and he has arguably had at least as much of a stranglehold on the WWE title/main event scene for the last couple of years as Triple H has had during his main event runs. I am even mildly annoyed by the spinner belt and wouldn't mind seeing that go as well. Now I recognize that there are worse options than Cena at the top. For example, WWE calling Steve-O and putting the belt on him at No Mercy would be worse than Cena still having the belt. But just because worse situations are possible doesn't have any bearing on my opinion on the current situation.



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#39 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.30
Triple H steamrolling King Booker probably wasn't the best decision. He was quite credible and would have made a fine 7 time champ.

Brining Paul Heyman back wouldn't be a bad way to get a couple of newer faces over either.

(edited by BigDaddyLoco on 2.10.07 2310)
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#40 Posted on
    Originally posted by John Orquiola
    This is gonna sound callous, but good, I'm glad Cena is gone. It was gonna take an act of God to get that belt off of Cena and here it is.

    This has nothing to do with what a great guy Cena is backstage or anything (I care as little about that as I do about what a dick Orton is supposed to be, which is why everyone hates his guts). This is all about what as a fan I'm simply tired of watching. I was tired of John Cena a year ago. Cena on the DL forces a change at the top of RAW and change is always good. (Save your Triple H and Randy Orton bitching). I welcome something different, not even new but different, at the top of RAW.

    Meanwhile, Undertaker is back. Triple H is back. Chris Jericho is rumored to be returning, supposedly. Flair is due back soon for his rumored final run. Edge is back next month. HBK will be back as well. Meanwhile, Cena and Bobby Lashley are on the shelf.

    None of that sounds bad to me. I'll be happy to have 6-8 months not having to watch John Cena. He can take his time recovering. WWE will not fall apart without him.

    And everyone will still have Triple H to bitch and moan about.

    (edited by John Orquiola on 2.10.07 1637)


Um, while I like Edge & Undertaker, I don't see how them coming back helps RAW. WWE would be foolish to move them from Smackdown, which needs almost as much help as RAW does, if not more. Particularly when both have unfinished business there, in storyline terms (in regard to each other, and to the World Title).

Triple H is back, yes....that pause was me yawning. If all he's doing is crushing guys and no-selling their offense, how's that better than what Cena was doing?

Flair? Really? If it was 10 years ago, that might be a good thing. Sorry, but as good as his promos have been (and continue to be), Flair is awful in the ring these days. Chop, chop, chop, Flair flop, low blow, wash, rinse, repeat. I can't see giving the belt to him for more than a month.

Jericho...still skeptical about this. I will believe it when he shows up on tv, and not until.
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