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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.32
    Originally posted by oldschoolhero
      Originally posted by Wpob
      How did they look bad? The hype for these guys was HUGE and now they are relaegated to scalping tickets outside the arena for a event that is halfway over and they have a stack of tickets left? So they are not good enough to wreslte AND they can;t scalp ticket sot a sold out show BEFORE the show starts? And you can not understand a word they say? And this makes them look good? If they are Cryme Tyme, shouldn't THEY be the ones out for the $10K? Or at least trying to steal it? The Cryme Tyme gimmick was perfectly set up for THEM to come into Coach's office and distract him and steal the money. Not DX.

      And Coach? He looks like a boob because he falls for DX sincerity AND loses the $10K. And this does not make him look BAD?

      That's how.


    It keeps up the comedic Cryme Tyme gimmick in a way that completely fits with their previous character. You're REALLY stretching the notion of "burying" if you think that skit did them damage. Edge and Orton won the tag titles then scarpered when the faces arrived, something that heels have been doing since the sawn of time. And you're bitching that DX made COACH look bad? WTF?

    Of all the people that DX "buried" last night, only two or three are worth a damn at this point anyway. Cade and Murdoch could be good for the tag division, and Masters maaaaaybe still had somevalue in him. Eugene? He's been meaningless for months. The three dead-weight Spirit Squad members have always been one step away from jobberdom. Ditto Haas and Vis. Shit, when did jobber empathy become the norm? Who cries for Funaki and Scotty on SmackDown? Where can I sign up for the Mike Bell fanclub?


Like I said, let them either wrestle or steal the $10K. That is their character. Scalping tickets to a sold out event 1/2 through is stupid. I have no problem with Coach looking bad - it done right. Stealing the $10K was just lazy. Who in their right mind would trust DK after they have been burned by them so many times and would not check to see where the briefcase is BEFORE they even had a chance to take it. making him lok bad is one thing, making him look like a complete idiot is another.

And yes, I have a problem with HHH and HBK taking out the "jobbers" so easily. Falling into a buffet table is enough to take Eugene out? HHH can beat up masters in 10 seconds when masters clearly should have had the upper hand from the start of the bathroom door closing? HHH and HBK also can "sense" when Spirirt Squad members will be diving at them or falling out of the sky? 2 tag teams are not enough to beat up DX? What the fuck? It makes no sense. As for jobber sympathy, I have no problem with squashes and guys who now their role as jobbers and do it well. But dismantling this many in 120 minutes is a joke.

As for Edge and Orton, again, this is the problem I have. They want to be the guys to take out DX. They see them running down the aisle and thus HAVE to see the security right on their heels and THEY RUN? The have in effect run from a potential 8 on 2! Why? They just had a squash match with Flair so they are not beat up. They want to "end DX" so shouldn;t they take advantage of the odds in their favor?

I admit I hate DX. I hate HH and HBK and all they have done to make sur ethey are ALWAYS in the spotlight. But there is a right way and a wrong way to get them over (which they are). Comedic toilet humor and squashing of EVERYONE is not it. Have they lost a match CLEAN yet? Like I said, I would have had all those "jobbers" led by Edge and Orton, compeltely dismantle DX and put them out of comission for a week. Then, a focused and determined DX comes back the following week and systemantically takes out allof those who were in on the beatdown. Including Coach. Eugene, Spirit Squad, Haas/Vicera, Cade/Murdoch - all of them ge theirs in the same 2 hours. Which leaves Orton and Edge and the four of them at then end of RAW duking it out and then have their team member scome out for a mosh leading to SS. Doesn't that sound better than the crap we saw?





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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.30
But doesn't this just mean that whoever eventually goes over DX and causes the inevitable breakup... or long term injury to Shawn... is going to be uber-over?



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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.58
    Originally posted by oldschoolhero
    Of all the people that DX "buried" last night, only two or three are worth a damn at this point anyway.


Haha, that's because they've all been in programs with DX already.

    Originally posted by wpob
    AND they can;t scalp ticket sot a sold out show BEFORE the show starts?


I don't know that 'an acumen for scalping tickets' is a very important part of a wrestler's depiction.

    Originally posted by kentish
    I thought the same thing about Masters. He doesn't appear to be very bright, so I would guess his dumb ass is back on the juice.


Dumb asses get busted for not having doctor's prescriptions. So maybe Masters got savvy.

    Originally posted by Monte
    whoever eventually goes over DX


Does not compute.

I'm happy for the tag titles, I guess. DX should've won them from the Spirit Squad back in June though; at least their semi-monthly obliteration of HaasceraCadochSquadlanders would've had a point. Vince and Shane going for tag team gold and wanting to be a great Tag Team would've been funny. And DX could've done hilarious cutting edge things with the belts like talk with double meanings where they were actually making sneaky references to penises, or like what if the belts made fart sounds? FART!
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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.89
    Originally posted by Monte
    But doesn't this just mean that whoever eventually goes over DX and causes the inevitable breakup... or long term injury to Shawn... is going to be uber-over?


I'm going to go out on a bit of a limb here and say that one of 2 things will happen:

1. After a match, one turns on the other, leading to them wrestling each other at some PPV (Wrestlemania?)

2. They have one more final match, shake hands at the end, and go on their separate ways.





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#25 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.42
    Originally posted by Monte
    But doesn't this just mean that whoever eventually goes over DX and causes the inevitable breakup... or long term injury to Shawn... is going to be uber-over?


That falls into "I'll believe it when I see it" territory. None of the heel teams currently existing could conceivably go over DX in any way that does not involve cheating on such a massive scale as to drain any meaning out of the victory.

Incidentally, as hard as I was on the show, I don't think the Cryme Tyme skit did any damage to them. It didn't do anything *for* them either, other than get their mugs on TV for a few minutes.



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#26 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.57
    Originally posted by Shem the Penman
      Originally posted by Monte
      But doesn't this just mean that whoever eventually goes over DX and causes the inevitable breakup... or long term injury to Shawn... is going to be uber-over?


    That falls into "I'll believe it when I see it" territory. None of the heel teams currently existing could conceivably go over DX in any way that does not involve cheating on such a massive scale as to drain any meaning out of the victory.
There's one guy who could go over DX and the crowd would buy it...Cena. At some point he's going to have to turn heel, and turning on DX would not only give him the launchpad for a huge turn, but would also allow the inevitable dropping of the belt to HHH, likely trying to avenge some heinous injury to his buddy Shawn. It fits perfectly.



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    Originally posted by spf
    It fits perfectly.

Aside from it making no sense as far as fitting with his character, sure.

I didn't watch much of RAW last night since my boys were on MNF and actually in the game for much of the evening, but I did manage to see the DX/Cryme Tyme skit and I didn't think it hurt Cryme Tyme the way some people think it did (though I agree with whoever said that it would have made more sense for Cryme Tyme to steal the bounty, not DX).



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#28 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.85
    Originally posted by Wpob
      Originally posted by Torchslasher
      Fun show and certainly needed after last week's heel favored disaster of a Raw. A lot of the DX skits worked for me, with the Cryme Time interaction being a highlight.

      Oh, and how did DX make Cryme Time look bad? Oh, and Coach isn't a wrestler. Oh, and you guys are way too bitchy this week.


    How did they look bad? The hype for these guys was HUGE and now they are relaegated to scalping tickets outside the arena for a event that is halfway over and they have a stack of tickets left? So they are not good enough to wreslte AND they can;t scalp ticket sot a sold out show BEFORE the show starts? And you can not understand a word they say? And this makes them look good? If they are Cryme Tyme, shouldn't THEY be the ones out for the $10K? Or at least trying to steal it? The Cryme Tyme gimmick was perfectly set up for THEM to come into Coach's office and distract him and steal the money. Not DX.

    And Coach? He looks like a boob because he falls for DX sincerity AND loses the $10K. And this does not make him look BAD?

    That's how.


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I read that the DX / Cryme Time action shown on air was shot after Raw because HBK could not keep a straight face on the original effort with a bigger crowd.



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#30 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.00
    Originally posted by Alex
    Ohh nooo mann they made the coach look bad not coach man not coaaach
Really, you said this eight hours ago. You really didn't need to make the exact same post twice in the same thread within the span of eight hours (ESPECIALLY if you're going to quote an entire post to tack on....this.)



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#31 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.91
    Originally posted by oldschoolhero
    Of all the people that DX "buried" last night, only two or three are worth a damn at this point anyway. Cade and Murdoch could be good for the tag division, and Masters maaaaaybe still had somevalue in him. Eugene? He's been meaningless for months. The three dead-weight Spirit Squad members have always been one step away from jobberdom. Ditto Haas and Vis. Shit, when did jobber empathy become the norm? Who cries for Funaki and Scotty on SmackDown? Where can I sign up for the Mike Bell fanclub?


See, that's the point, man. Why does it always have to be a case of "whiners whine and bitch too much" and blind fanboy delusion? There has to be a middle ground here. I happen to think that the truth is way closer to the negative side of things than the positive.

Yes, dX is popular. You know what? So were public hangings. It doesn't mean that they aren't damaging. Just because the people laugh or pop doesn't mean that business isn't down across the fucking board. PPV business is way down this year. International business is in decline, and things haven't improved since dX came on the scene. If everything was judged on pops, maybe let's bring back Hogan? Pops aren't everything. They aren't selling for anybody, any reasonable person with a functioning brain can see that. Their antics are amazingly lame and pathetic to some people and funny to others. Fine, takes all kinds, matter of opinion. But you can like their antics without blinding yourself to the damage they cause.

You're judging those mid-card acts as if wrestling isn't fixed or something. Any of those people CAN mean a lot if they are simply presented properly.

A time when nobody means a damn is a time to sell and help them mean a damn. This is a lesson Triple H has failed before. It leads to shitty wrestling television.

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#32 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.53
    Originally posted by Hogan's My Dad
    dX is popular. You know what? So were public hangings. It doesn't mean that they aren't damaging.


Hyperbole Police, come quickly! And bring the Misguided Analogy Police with you!

Seriously, you couldn't come up with a better comparison, like Saturday Night Live or something?



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#33 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.37
Jesus some people are never satisfied. Somehow the IWC finds something to bitch about week in and week out. One week its too much Cena. The next week its WTF where is Cena? Make up your minds people.

Anyway I found RAW very entertaining and thats all that matters. The DX skits in my opinion were the freshest they have been in weeks. The Cryme Tyme segment stood out the most to me. Like it or not DX is over and making money. WWE is a business first and foremost. As long as they keep selling t-shirts they are gonna be on your TV as much as possible.



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#34 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.96
    Originally posted by Wpob
    I admit I hate DX. I hate HH and HBK and all they have done to make sur ethey are ALWAYS in the spotlight.


You're biased. I get it. I got it the first time. Another counter argument isn't going to enlighten me further as I've seen the picture you've painted. Ergo, why are you trying to convince me I shouldn't have enjoyed what I watched?

    Originally posted by Shem the Penman
    [no one] could conceivably go over DX in any way that does not involve cheating on such a massive scale as to drain any meaning out of the victory.


Eh, maybe. You've just described Ric Flair's career.

    Originally posted by Hogan's My Dad
    Yes, dX is popular. You know what? So were public hangings.


I'm going to assume you didn't grasp how stupid that reads when you wrote it. You forget, lots of things are popular all across the spectrum; take personal hygiene. Oodles of people practice personal hygiene, millions of dollars are spent on it on a weekly basis, it's obviously a pretty popular ideal. Only an idiot would liken those things to public hanging, though.

    Originally posted by Derrick
    Jesus some people are never satisfied. Somehow the IWC finds something to bitch about week in and week out.


Yay, somebody making just as much sense as the people he's complaining about!

(edited by Lexus on 14.11.06 2147)


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#35 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.75
Hearing HMD tell me about the middle ground on anything Shawn Michaels does nothing but inspire apathy in me anymore, as you have never clearly shown anything but a complete hatred for him.

And to Wpob, my original comment was that Coach is not a wrestler, therefore he could not be listed in your 14 wrestlers being buried rant. And if the heel figurehead can't be buried on a Raw show, then Raw wouldn't be on the air.

Furthermore, heels almost never win anymore in WWE without cheating in some way. So pointing this out in DX's case is really nothing. I'm not in favor of having no clean wins either (ROH is especially good at just having some wrestlers be better than others), but it is what it is.







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#36 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.30
I think a Cena heel turn could be justified against DX. For a month or so now they have been paired up on a few RAWs and alot of house shows simply based on the fact that they are the three top faces. IIRC Cena even closed one of the shows chopping in unison with Shawn and Hunter. So why could you not go the root of them teaming up but DX taking more and more pot shots at Cena. Calling him white boy, bashing his raps, even a few mentions of his cheesey slogans and "hustle, respect ...." motto. Eventually Cena has enough and turns on them in a tag match, which clearly would be enough to have ninety nine percent of the RAW audience against him (as if they weren't a few months ago).

It would refresh the character of Cena and give him that edge he was so good at working with when he was heel on SMACKDOWN. It would also finally get a little bit of intensity out of the way-too-playful DX that would probably make for a hot feud. A long term injury to Shawn at the hands of Cena is logical, prompting a revenge mission of Triple H at the hands of his fallen brother. Cena isn't given alot of credit for his storytelling because he has been stuck in this repetitive ironman / face roll for so long. I see it as a similar situation to where Triple H had wound up with the heel, championship obsessed gimmick he rolled with for so long. As soon as Triple H turned face his natural charisma shined through and people remembered the enjoyment he used to bring to the program. Turn Cena and I think you get the same result.



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#37 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.91
You people sure are touchy about public hangings.

Anything that is both popular and damaging can be used in that analogy. Substitute accordingly and proceed to get over yourselves. Um, porno perhaps? I woulda used porno, but I'm not sure how damaging that really is. Point is/was, burying people is bad for business.



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#38 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.00
I think we overuse terms like "burial." DX doing comedy skits with half the roster isn't burying. Heels running from a fight isn't a burial. It's such a smarky term. I hate.

I mean, remember when Booker T lost to the Boogeyman in under 4 minutes clean at 'Mania. Everyone called it a burial. He didn't lose a inch of momentum.

The same point can be said about the DX stuff...I mean, hate to break it to you but the E never had plans for Haas or Viscera and the Squad and the Highlanders are comedy figures. When Kenny's in the upper midcard next year, are still going to be decrying DX about burying him.

I mean, it' WWE politics. You're not going to win many feuds against say Hunter or 'Taker but if you perform well and get over with the audience you'll be in the main events, you'll be in high profile slots. The E doesn't shoot people to top spots. Cryme Time's placement on the card isn't hurt by a skit with DX. And incidentally, about DX "burying" Edge and Orton..yeah, I'm sure Edge and Orton will be shuttled to Heat after this feud. I mean, c'mon. Edge will still be main event whether he wins or loses this feud and Orton will be a fuck-up on the verge of main eventness.
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