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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.50
    Originally posted by Oliver
    The highlight of the show was seeing IRS's cameo. Other than that, nothing stood out in my mind.

    It was kind of odd seeing Flair and Piper embrace. Didn't they have some kind of heat years ago?

    Nice new theme song, though.




They feuded while Piper was doing his commentary duties, and whilst trying to hit Flair with a chair, Piper accidentally laid out Vince McMahon.

Piper was Flair's best man at his first wedding.

Vince had neck surgery a few years later that Piper mentioned it was down to that. Not sure if it was directly or just to add kayfabe.

Piper also used to call 'Irwin' in a derogatory manner during IRS's matches.

(edited by mikebuk on 10.10.06 1736)


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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.43
    Originally posted by Freeway
      Originally posted by Mayhem
      I've always wondered what happened to Shelton's push ... after his promo last night, I now know ... if any one wrestler needs a mouthpiece manager, it's him.


    The Evolution model of stable could work well for guys like Shelton Benjamin and Charlie Haas. Have them angry about not getting shots and stuff and band together with...shit, Umaga and AAE would work.


New Blood vs. Millionaires' Club, anyone?



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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.65

I like the idea of putting Shelton in a stable with Edge & Orton, but I dont see Haas fitting in. I liked him during his first run, but he's bored me to tears during his 2nd go-round. [/fantasybookingwhichihate]

I also like the idea of Orton/Edge vs. DX, but not if DX is only going to bury them on the mic the whole time. I'm sure Edge can go to-to-toe with the HHH/HBK throwing shooty digs at each other, but I hate when HHH & HBK do that. It's bad enough to do in the ring, they dont need to come out & talk about it too.

But back to last night's show, I really enjoyed it. I watched the whole thing except for the main event, but it doesnt sound like I missed much. I dont know how anyone can hate on King Bookah. That gimmick is 100% solid gold everytime. And all of thine junketh in Sharmell's trunketh is nice to look at too.



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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.51
When Mitch said he was going to have help and Flair wasn't, that was the signal Flair was going to have help. When Piper's music started playing, I was pissed as it appeared yet another opportunity for Arn Anderson to come out in Horsemen country was wasted. Then Dibiase and Rotundo come out, would have preferred Rotundo with his U.S. Express partner Barry Windham coming out to Real American, and you think a Horseman needs to finish it off. Then, the Enforcer comes out. To combine this with something else: You have Shelton Benjamin who can't talk. You have Arn Anderson who can talk and is over. Combine the 2. Very simple.
The 3-way match is non-title, correct? With DX taking up most of the oxygen on RAW, there really wasn't anyone to face Cena. Edge has been done to death. Cena/Orton isn't that appealing. They aren't turning DX or Cena, so that is out the window. Next stop would be either Umaga or a turned Carlito, and that doesn't exactly get the cash register ringing. The main event depth isn't there any longer for Vince.
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#25 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.27
    Originally posted by oldschoolhero
    The Edge/Orton segment was fantastic. If, and that's a BIG if, these two are made to look like a threat to DX, this feud should be gold.


Orton sucks and doesn't deserve this chance. What happened to all the Orton hate? Reading this thread leads me to believe he's loved now. Orton is going to bring Edge down.
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#26 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.21
Ive waited for years to hear the trotting start and the horsemen music blare over the speakers. Dear lord that gave me goosebumps!



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#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.65

    Originally posted by JohnHayduke
    What happened to all the Orton hate? Reading this thread leads me to believe he's loved now. Orton is going to bring Edge down.
Oh dont get me wrong, I still hate Orton. But I think teaming him up with Edge vs. DX is a good way to use him.



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#28 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.97
Super Crazy sounded horrible last night. Hopefully his English is a one-time thing.
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#29 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.09
    Originally posted by flairforthegold13
    Now, I respect Rotunda but the whole IRS love is a little ironic to me. I don't remember that character getting much love back in the day. It was another WresleCrap "day job" gimmick. It worked out well overall, but c'mon...South Carolina...Horseman Country...ARN FUCKING ANDERSON coming out to the 4 Horseman theme. The people rising as one and flashing the only wrestling sign that still reasonates. Ross was dead on.

    I got goosebumps.
No Johnny Come Lately am I! I have always loved IRS, I promise, and, in fact, even dressed up as him at Nitro once. Yes, Nitro -- we were dressing up as WWF gimmicks of current WCW wrestlers. Oh, come on, I was like 19. Which is, uh, probably still too old for that. Let's pretend I was 12. I remember rooting for IRS hardcore and being thrilled when he joined up with DiBiase because he was finally getting the push he deserved.

Meanwhile! I am completely and utterly alone in never having liked Arn Anderson. I thought he was a boring wrestler and probably the most overrated promo guy I've ever seen. Plus his look always said "tire salesman" to me more than "enforcer." I know, I know, you think he's awesome and so and and so forth, and that is your right, as it is the right of everyone who loves him, which is everyone period. But he just never did it for me.



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#30 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.63
    Originally posted by JohnHayduke
      Originally posted by oldschoolhero
      The Edge/Orton segment was fantastic. If, and that's a BIG if, these two are made to look like a threat to DX, this feud should be gold.


    Orton sucks and doesn't deserve this chance. What happened to all the Orton hate? Reading this thread leads me to believe he's loved now. Orton is going to bring Edge down.


I would rather see someone other than Orton in this feud, but he does make the most sense of wanting to destroy Triple H. Which sucks, but at least the WWE used some backstory and I've been bitching about that since forever.
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#31 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.13
    Originally posted by Destrucity
      Originally posted by flairforthegold13
      Now, I respect Rotunda but the whole IRS love is a little ironic to me. I don't remember that character getting much love back in the day. It was another WresleCrap "day job" gimmick. It worked out well overall, but c'mon...South Carolina...Horseman Country...ARN FUCKING ANDERSON coming out to the 4 Horseman theme. The people rising as one and flashing the only wrestling sign that still reasonates. Ross was dead on.

      I got goosebumps.
    No Johnny Come Lately am I! I have always loved IRS, I promise, and, in fact, even dressed up as him at Nitro once. Yes, Nitro -- we were dressing up as WWF gimmicks of current WCW wrestlers. Oh, come on, I was like 19. Which is, uh, probably still too old for that. Let's pretend I was 12. I remember rooting for IRS hardcore and being thrilled when he joined up with DiBiase because he was finally getting the push he deserved.

    Meanwhile! I am completely and utterly alone in never having liked Arn Anderson. I thought he was a boring wrestler and probably the most overrated promo guy I've ever seen. Plus his look always said "tire salesman" to me more than "enforcer." I know, I know, you think he's awesome and so and and so forth, and that is your right, as it is the right of everyone who loves him, which is everyone period. But he just never did it for me.


remember, there was a time when some pudgy 5 foot guy could have ran with Goldberg's gimmick. It's just that times change (juice!)

King Bookah is awesome, Ive never been a big fan of Booker but the way he executes this gimmick is genius...so in conclusion, anyones negative opinion on this is wrong.

RVD cannot be de-overized

Shelton Benjamin needs a mouthpiece, and more exposure.

That's all folks.



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#32 Posted on | Instant Rating: 10.00
My favorite part of RAW* was when Kane's dramatic last words on RAW to the Highlanders turned out to be "..." because the mic wasn't working.

* - may be a lie



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#33 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.96
Well then. I missed Arn Anderson. Now I'm pissed. Can anyone tell me

A) Does RAW replay at all here in Canada during thelater week?
B) Can anyone send me a copy via VHS or disc or something of the match?



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#34 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.61
    Originally posted by El Nastio
    Well then. I missed Arn Anderson. Now I'm pissed. Can anyone tell me

    A) Does RAW replay at all here in Canada during thelater week?
    B) Can anyone send me a copy via VHS or disc or something of the match?
The joys of the Score is that WWE Raw shows an hour after it finishes (after the Score Update) and then on the Tuesday at noon or so.

On the flipside of the border, does WWE repeat on the USA network?



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#35 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.59
    Originally posted by Oliver
      Originally posted by El Nastio
      Well then. I missed Arn Anderson. Now I'm pissed. Can anyone tell me

      A) Does RAW replay at all here in Canada during thelater week?
      B) Can anyone send me a copy via VHS or disc or something of the match?
    The joys of the Score is that WWE Raw shows an hour after it finishes (after the Score Update) and then on the Tuesday at noon or so.

    On the flipside of the border, does WWE repeat on the USA network?


No. But I know it replays on one of the Spanish channels here, at least where I live, on I think Sundays at 4PM. Have to double check the channel.



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#36 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.81
What about AM Raw?




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#37 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.89
    Originally posted by DJ FrostyFreeze
    Oh dont get me wrong, I still hate Orton. But I think teaming him up with Edge vs. DX is a good way to use him.


See, that's the thing. It's not. Orton is best-used in situations where he can just act cocky and not say much because he really and truly lacks any kind of main-event level personality. In a real top-level feud, he's useless. Now that they've taken this direction, we're almost guaranteed to hear a series of "classic" Blandy Orton promos, which involve him saying one thing, three times, louder each time, but somehow without any more feeling. "The Legend Killer has had enough! HE'S HAD ENOUGH! HE HAS HAD ENOUGH!"

Raw wasn't bad, from what I saw. I missed the Triple H comment about the tag-division, but I saw the cock thing. I chuckled a couple times, but that kind of stuff doesn't work if you do it over and over. 40-year-old men are almost never cool, and it's just not going ever come off that way now, no matter what they do.

Taker coulda have sold something for Cena. Jesus Christ, Mark, your career is over. I'm not saying he shoulda tapped to the STFU or anything, but God almighty, it's not 1995 anymore. What exactly is he protecting at this point? He no-sold every one of Cena's punches and kicks, sat up immediately after every move, and shat on his signature move (5-knuckle shuffle), and then had him beaten before the run-in. I swear, Cena got more in during the Vengeance 2003 match, when he wasn't a top guy. At some point, someone needs to tell Taker to start being a team player. When's the last time he put someone over clean, 2002? Help out or fuck off, already, Taker.



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#38 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.26
    Originally posted by y4j1981
      Originally posted by Oliver
        Originally posted by El Nastio
        Well then. I missed Arn Anderson. Now I'm pissed. Can anyone tell me

        A) Does RAW replay at all here in Canada during thelater week?
        B) Can anyone send me a copy via VHS or disc or something of the match?
      The joys of the Score is that WWE Raw shows an hour after it finishes (after the Score Update) and then on the Tuesday at noon or so.

      On the flipside of the border, does WWE repeat on the USA network?


    No. But I know it replays on one of the Spanish channels here, at least where I live, on I think Sundays at 4PM. Have to double check the channel.


I get it on mun2 on Wednesday.



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#39 Posted on
    Originally posted by Hogan's My Dad
    When's the last time he put someone over clean, 2002? Help out or fuck off, already, Taker.

Try four months ago when he put Khali over ridiculously cleanly and strongly.
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#40 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.00
    Originally posted by Hogan's My Dad
    See, that's the thing. It's not. Orton is best-used in situations where he can just act cocky and not say much because he really and truly lacks any kind of main-event level personality. In a real top-level feud, he's useless. Now that they've taken this direction, we're almost guaranteed to hear a series of "classic" Blandy Orton promos, which involve him saying one thing, three times, louder each time, but somehow without any more feeling. "The Legend Killer has had enough! HE'S HAD ENOUGH! HE HAS HAD ENOUGH!"


That's why he's paired with Edge, against two far stronger talkers. Orton's got shortcomings on the mic, but he's got three good-to-great promo guys to paper the cracks. It's better to see Orton in a feud with guys that can carry him promo-wise than to book him against, say, Jeff Hardy.



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