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#41 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.55
    Originally posted by Destrucity
    You can add that to never-would-have-given-Benoit-the-big-belt in the long list of non-Internet-approved booking decisions I would have made.


Well yeah, that Chris Benoit title reign really screwed up everything.


    I still think Kenny is destined for great things.


I'd say WWE agrees with you, since he's headlined in singles matches in consecutive weeks against Cena and Shawn.

    Originally posted by Whattaburger
    They are like the bizarro version of Demolition (i.e. -- dumb as hell and nowhere near as badass.)


The Spirit Squad members are way smarter than Demolition!


    stupid trampoline moves


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#42 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.97
I want SEE NO EVIL to do well.

Poor Kane, it's his big chance to break out into the mainstream, and the WWE forces him to go to the premiere of his big movie dressed like an asshole. Seriously, What was Vince thinking. This is just horrible to do that to a guy who's been around for so long. Shit, they don't make the Undertaker go around in his coat and hat everywhere, do they?

I'm hoping this movie does well enough to get Kane more roles so he can earn some money to buy some new clothes.

Why hasn't anyone hear mentioned the most important thing to occur last night... our finding out that Maria swallows! Hot DAMN!!!
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#43 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.44
    Originally posted by Cerebus
    Why hasn't anyone hear mentioned the most important thing to occur last night... our finding out that Maria swallows! Hot DAMN!!!

Because she specifically said "When I eat an apple?" right before that, thus killing the joke completely.



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#44 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.47

    Originally posted by SchippeWreck
      Originally posted by Cerebus
      Why hasn't anyone hear mentioned the most important thing to occur last night... our finding out that Maria swallows! Hot DAMN!!!

    Because she specifically said "When I eat an apple?" right before that, thus killing the joke that everyone saw coming a mile away as soon as we saw Carlito wearing that shirt & standing next to her completely.




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#45 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.44
    Originally posted by DJ FrostyFreeze
      Originally posted by SchippeWreck
        Originally posted by Cerebus
        Why hasn't anyone hear mentioned the most important thing to occur last night... our finding out that Maria swallows! Hot DAMN!!!

      Because she specifically said "When I eat an apple?" right before that, thus killing the joke that everyone saw coming a mile away as soon as we saw Carlito wearing that shirt & standing next to her completely.


That too.



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#46 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.01
    Originally posted by SchippeWreck
      Originally posted by DJ FrostyFreeze
        Originally posted by SchippeWreck
          Originally posted by Cerebus
          Why hasn't anyone hear mentioned the most important thing to occur last night... our finding out that Maria swallows! Hot DAMN!!!

        Because she specifically said "When I eat an apple?" right before that, thus killing the joke that everyone saw coming a mile away as soon as we saw Carlito wearing that shirt & standing next to her completely.


    That too.

The sad thing is, someone was paid at least $100 to actually write that joke on paper.

Sadder still, there were probably several drafts of that scene.
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#47 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.31
    Originally posted by flairforthegold13
    It's confusing, why are people actively rooting for this movie to fail? What do you have against Kane? Dude seems like a pretty solid dude. I hope it does well and it makes a nice little chunk of change for him. We can all say that the promotional push on Raw got old, but it's a movie y'know. They get overhyped. Show Kane some love, dude hasn't won a big match in 7 years and still gets his own movie. That's how you get over, yo.

Wanting the movie to fail has nothing to do with wanting Kane to fail. It's more about not wanting to encourage Vince McMahon any further. I would rather him concentrate on fixing his very flawed wrestling organization, which is the flagship of his company and is falling off currently.

I'm just not interested in seeing these other projects pushed constantly on the wrestling show. I didn't want to see it when he pushed his bodybuilding federation (which he used in stupid angles like tug of war contests on the wrestling shows). I didn't want to see it when he pushed his XFL football league. I don't want to see the WWE movies consistently pushed on the wrestling show. He doesn't just stop with ads and maybe a few vignettes. He turns these things into stupid angles like us being able to hear the voices in Kane's head and the Zeus main event push years ago. I don't care to see a wrestler get pushed because of a movie (like Zeus) rather than getting it done in the ring or being entertaining on the wrestling show.

If the movie is a success, then great for Kane. I'll be happy for him.
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#48 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.23
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    Well yeah, that Chris Benoit title reign really screwed up everything.
Heh, everybody's so sensitive about Benoit. I don't think his title reign screwed anything up, but it didn't help anything either. Benoit, of course, has his place in wrestling, but I never thought "world champion" was it, and his run didn't convince me otherwise. Truth is as I sit here right now, I can't remember a single one of his championship feuds or who he eventually dropped the belt to (the answer to both questions is probably Triple H, but that's nothing more than an educated guess). The champ really has to be better on the mic and have a more histrionic wrestling style that connects better with American fans. Most importantly, a babyface champ has to be someone who teenage boys might consider cool -- "want to be him" cool. Nobody really wants to be Benoit.

    Originally posted by JustinShapiro

      I still think Kenny is destined for great things.


    I'd say WWE agrees with you, since he's headlined in singles matches in consecutive weeks against Cena and Shawn.
I meant more really great things, like a run with the WWE title or at least a breakaway solo push. Being the guy who dresses like the four other guys isn't really great things. I'm talking about the kind of big that by definition you can't get in your first three months with the company. It'll take a couple of years for that.

(edited by Destrucity on 16.5.06 2028)


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#49 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.28
Y'know...I could enjoy the Foley heel turn SOOOOO much more if they'd left Edge and that c*m belching road ho out of the picture. But no--gotta give him not just one, but TWO albatross' around his neck. Jeebus.

That being said, how many of you were sitting there mouthing along with Funk when he started the whole, "your wife is a whore" spiel? (OK, maybe I was doing it because my hardback copy of "Have A Nice Day" was just a couple of feet away from where I was sitting.)

Vince cradling Shane as the show went off? Just call that one last round of eyeball cardio for the day. "Roll those eyes, and one, and two."



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#50 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.67
    Originally posted by Big Bad
    Umaga's offense is actually really good, though it's time to program him against someone stronger than 'the toughest man in Texas.'
I totally agree, and I think we'll see him in a HUGE match next week against Val Venis, Golddust, Snitsky, Conway, Viscera....or Terry Funk!!



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#51 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.13
    Originally posted by Destrucity
    I can't remember a single one of his championship feuds or who he eventually dropped the belt to (the answer to both questions is probably Triple H, but that's nothing more than an educated guess).


Versus Triple H and Shawn Michaels, and Randy Orton.

And I don't even like Benoit.



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#52 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.55
    Originally posted by Destrucity
    Heh, everybody's so sensitive about Benoit.


I just thought it was an odd conjecture to make. Like, all the bad decisions they make each year and you'd change something that was innocuous at worst and came during the last peak of great TV. Raw for the first half of 2004 was one of the highest quality runs they've had since the brand x-tension, so it holds a special place in my heart and I will rush to sing its praises.


    I don't think his title reign screwed anything up, but it didn't help anything either.


Sure, but there are only about three or four people in the last four years whose reigns have made a genuine difference (Cena, Guerrero briefly, Edge briefly, and Batista when programmed with HHH). Everyone else was either status quo or worse (JBLow-the-median).

As far as what it helped, it should have created a champion who had such a strong reign that when Randy Orton beat him for the belt, Orton was that much stronger for winning the title from someone who'd had so much success as opposed to just a transitional guy to move the belt to him. And so he did, but then they screwed that up the very next day.


    I can't remember a single one of his championship feuds


He only had three, but one was the best program all year.


    The champ really has to be better on the mic and have a more histrionic wrestling style that connects better with American fans.


And truisms really ought to be true. If Benoit didn't connect with American fans, his title matches wouldn't have had such great heat. Beating everyone with the crossface for months made him the real deal in their eyes for a time -- by the end of his reign, fans would chant "We Want Benoit" during tag matches when he was on the apron. Losing the belt and going back to the midcard killed his aura because he wasn't special anymore, but he did stand out when he was the champion.

    Originally posted by "Big Sexy" Kevin Nash
    Most importantly, a babyface champ has to be someone who teenage boys might consider cool -- "want to be him" cool. Nobody really wants to be Benoit.


Wolfpack in the house.


    I still think Kenny is destined for great things.

      I'd say WWE agrees with you, since he's headlined in singles matches in consecutive weeks against Cena and Shawn.

    I meant more really great things, like a run with the WWE title or at least a breakaway solo push. Being the guy who dresses like the four other guys isn't really great things. I'm talking about the kind of big that by definition you can't get in your first three months with the company. It'll take a couple of years for that.


Word. I'm just saying that I think they're seeing the same thing you see, so what you say you are seeing is being seen well by you. Or some such.
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#53 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.69
If you quit watching wrestling in 1997, don't worry, you haven't missed a beat. Jeff Jarrett is in the spotlight, alongside Nash, Scott Steiner, Sting, and Zbyzsko in Wc... I mean TNA.

Meanwhile, HBK and HHH are becoming sort of kindred spirits in their rebellion against McMahon, who is quite the evil, horny, power mad bastard.

Did I mention Mike Tenay and Jim Ross are calling their respective shows?

Oh, and if you were concerned, yes. Konnan is still up on his rap slang, quoting Master P.
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#54 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.23
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    Like, all the bad decisions they make each year and you'd change something that was innocuous at worst and came during the last peak of great TV.
I'd change lots of things, including, I suspect, most of what you'd consider the bad decisions. I just used the Benoit example because I was looking for an opinion I've had that was as far as I could get from Internet consensus.

    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    If Benoit didn't connect with American fans, his title matches wouldn't have had such great heat. Beating everyone with the crossface for months made him the real deal in their eyes for a time -- by the end of his reign, fans would chant "We Want Benoit" during tag matches when he was on the apron.
He was definitely pretty over, I'll give you that. He just didn't get booked on Leno (uh, did he?), which is the ideal scenario. I would guess he didn't sell a tremendous amount of merchandise. Probably wasn't the talk of the schoolyards.

I'd say Big Kev's most successful title reign was more successful than Benoit's one title reign. It's just Nash at his most self-indulgent that nobody wants to see.



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#55 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.81


    Originally posted by DJ FrostyFreeze
    Because she specifically said "When I eat an apple?" right before that, thus killing the joke that everyone saw coming a mile away as soon as we saw Carlito wearing that shirt & standing next to her completely.


While watching the recording of RAW last night, this was the two minutes that my wife chose to sit down next to me and watch the program, thus reinforcing my questionable choices for taste in television programs.





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#56 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.16
    Originally posted by Destrucity
    He was definitely pretty over, I'll give you that. He just didn't get booked on Leno (uh, did he?), which is the ideal scenario. I would guess he didn't sell a tremendous amount of merchandise.


Yeah, but how many world champions DO tick all of those boxes? If you try and book towards that gold standard with every world title change you're only gonna see a new champ every three or four years. Benoit was a great choice for champion in 2004. He was a fresh main eventer, he was excellent in the ring, and the fans reacted to him. Considering the alternatives at that point I'd be hard-pressed to name somebody who a significantly stronger option.



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#57 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.47

    Originally posted by pieman
      Originally posted by DJ FrostyFreeze
      Because she specifically said "When I eat an apple?" right before that, thus killing the joke that everyone saw coming a mile away as soon as we saw Carlito wearing that shirt & standing next to her completely.


    While watching the recording of RAW last night, this was the two minutes that my wife chose to sit down next to me and watch the program, thus reinforcing my questionable choices for taste in television programs.
The most humiliating portion of any wrestling program will always be the part that your wife walks in on you watching.

THIS. IS MAN LAW.



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#58 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.01
    Originally posted by DJ FrostyFreeze
      Originally posted by pieman
        Originally posted by DJ FrostyFreeze
        Because she specifically said "When I eat an apple?" right before that, thus killing the joke that everyone saw coming a mile away as soon as we saw Carlito wearing that shirt & standing next to her completely.


      While watching the recording of RAW last night, this was the two minutes that my wife chose to sit down next to me and watch the program, thus reinforcing my questionable choices for taste in television programs.
    The most humiliating portion of any wrestling program will always be the part that your wife walks in on you watching.

    THIS. IS MAN LAW.


I understand what you mean. Every time the woman sits down beside me and I flip over to wrestling there is invariably a cheerleader/lingerie/catfight on as soon as I switch to the channel. There could be a five star match between Benoit and Kurt Angle on, but the second she sits down Torrie Wilson and Candice will come running down the aisle falling out of their dress. I can't win.




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#59 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.35
    Originally posted by DJ FrostyFreeze
      Originally posted by pieman
        Originally posted by DJ FrostyFreeze
        Because she specifically said "When I eat an apple?" right before that, thus killing the joke that everyone saw coming a mile away as soon as we saw Carlito wearing that shirt & standing next to her completely.


      While watching the recording of RAW last night, this was the two minutes that my wife chose to sit down next to me and watch the program, thus reinforcing my questionable choices for taste in television programs.
    The most humiliating portion of any wrestling program will always be the part that your wife walks in on you watching.

    THIS. IS MAN LAW.


This also applies to your parents when you're younger. When I used to live at home, my dad or mom would always come in during the lingerie pillow fights, during which I would have to loudly berate them or pretend to be flipping through channels.
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#60 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.10
What's funny aboutt he whole wife thing is yearas ago when the WWE was at its best, I would argue with my wife and force her to sit and watch it and explain the nuances and the characters to her. I was that passionate about it and she even started to watch it for small stretches of time when jericho ro The Rock were on.

NOW, when she comes in while I am watching, she looks at me with pity. Even SHE knows the product is worse and she was a part time viewer. When the divas are on or some othe rform of crap, she says to me: "You have given up on so many network shows when they have gone bad, why do you still watch this garbage?". And the funny thing is, I don't even have an answer for her. The amount of "good TV' vs. "bad TV' on the WWE is miniscule. If this was any of the shows I love/loved (X-Files, CSI) I would hav stopped watching by now. But for some reason, there I sit, every Monday night, watching and hoping my wife does not come in the room while RAW is on. So sad.



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