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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.38
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FOOTAGE! from two weeks ago and last week, in regards to HHH vs. Eugene, and Benoit's errant chairshot.

Fighting evil by moonlight, winning love by daylight, never running from a real fight, because it is time to WAKE UP! It's also time for Raw, live from Richmond, VA...and a Fashion Report, too!

King, in black sportscoat over white tshirt, and JR, in black sportscoat, white shirt, tie, and black hat, commentate.

Evolution: Batista in gold, flaming-crotch "Batista" undies, Flair in black sportscoat, steel-blue tshirt, and khakis, Orton in black "Randy Orton" tshirt and black "Orton" undies with gold hip bolts, and HHH in grey sportscoat, pink shirt (top two buttons undone), and black slacks. HHH speaks and calls-out Eugene. Eugene answers, in white jacket and shiny blue undies, waving his way down to the ring. HHH still hams-up the friendship thing, then twists the proverbial dagger that was Benoit's chairshot, and slanders Benoit. HHH wants to make Eugene an honorary member of Evolution; Orton is very indignant at that. Regal barges out, in black suit, plack vest, plumb shirt and tie, to try to warn Eugene. But HHH spills the beans about how the Regal/Eugene relationship began, trying to make Eugene turn on William. Bisch, in tan sportscoat, navy blue shirt, and black slacks, books Regal vs. HHH, with Eugene as the special guest ref.

Batista, in same, and Orton, in same, both already in the ring, vs. Jericho, in blue and silver "Jericho" shirt, blue silhoutte tights, and Edge, in white "Edge" trenchcoat and white "Edge"-splat tights. Hebner is the referee. The fire alarm is going off; the resourceful crowd chants "Y-2-J" to it. Everyone's on the outside, so AdBreak gets some screentime.

Cont. The faces have Orton in their corner, but things even-out when Batista gets back in. Jericho really sells the headache/post-concussion-syndrome thing. Lionsault->pin on Batista. A nice match.

JR and King make us suffer through FOOTAGE! of the Kane/Lita/Mattitude angle.

In the Evolution lockerroom, Flair berates HHH over the Eugene/Evolution thing (Flair said "Kayfabe" - he's exposing the business!). HHH says he's just using the boy to get his title back.

Diva crap.

Lita cries on the phone to Mattitude. Stacy comes into the room and the chicks blab (Lita while crying). So, after three consecutive weeks, can we say that Stacy is now a part of this angle?

JR heads down to the ring which is ringed by rent-a-cops.

JR is now in the ring (it took him a whole AdBreak to walk that far?). He introduces Kane, in black tights with red barbedwire stripes. To summarize the interview: Kane injured Shawn because Kane was angry; Kane did Lita 'cuz he wanted to breed himself an heir. Mattitude attacks; Bisch is on-the-scene to order security to drag-away Mattitude. Bisch then stipulates that Benoit must make Kane submit, but Kane can win numerous ways. (As an aside, how disgusting is the whole "it might be Kane's OR Matt's baby" angle? Was Lita all like 'Well, I just screwed Kane silly - why not treat Matt to some sloppy seconds?')

Eugene, in black/white striped shirt over his jacket, comes out to officiate the match. Lillian wears the white tubetop and black skirt. Regal, in black undies with red trim vs. HHH, in black iron-cross undies. Flair joins at ringside. Either Regal is barrel-gutted or he's put on a few. Flair tosses H the brass knuckles; when Regal takes them, Eugene turns around and notices. HHH by disqualification. Poor match. Post-match Regal gets bumped into Eugene, how then gets medieval on Regal's butt.

La Resistance, both in blue vests and white "La Resistance" undies, carrying Quebec flags and wearing the Tag Titles, spouting heel crap and singing, vs. the interrupting Rhyno, in black "Rhyno" singlet and Sargeant Slaughter, in black singlet over camo tshirt, and his hat, carrying the US flag. Chad Patton is the referee. "Au revoir"->pin on Sarge. An average match. Sarge looked stiff, which I'd expect from an older guy, but that didn't really take away from the match.

In Evolution's lockerroom, HHH continues to use his poison words against the impressionable Eugene. HHH tries to turn Eugene against all his former friends, while making him Evolution's subservient.

Oh no - more Diva stuff. Again, not with a 10-foot pole.

JR and King run-down the matches already announced for Vengeance: Edge vs. Orton for the IC Title, Jericho vs. Batista, and HHH vs. Kane/Benoit (the winner of tonight's match).

In Bisch's Room of Fun, Flair hangs out. Coach comes in to tell Bisch that he'll take care of things while Bisch is on vacation next week. But Bisch must break the news that Eugene will be the GM next week. Coach is flabergasted.

The Greek Chorus show FOOTAGE! of Benoit not being able to get Kane into the Crossface at Bad Blood.

It's the Smackdown! Rebound, featuring stills from last night. Glad I saved my money.

Lillian runs-down the stipulations on the Title match. Kane, in same, vs. Benoit, in red tights with black slashes. Mike Chioda is the official, in stripes. Benoit picks Kane's left knee and works it almost exclusively. But when Benoit gets tossed outside, AdBreak decides to steal the spotlight.

Cont. Now Kane's in control. In two minutes Kane is outside and AdBreak gets a repeat performance.

Cont2. Again Kane is in control. Benoit works the left arm, dropping to the outside to counter an attempted slam. Crossface->submission. An average match. Post-match, Kane attacks Benoit. Out comes Lita, in tan mechanic's vest and tassled tan pants; after chicanary, Lita attacks Kane. Kane's about to chokeslam her, but then he remembers it MIGHT be his kid, so he sets her down. Benoit has had plenty of time to recover, so he lays-out Kane.

Overall: Man, only one match in the first hour again; and again I didn't really mind (or notice until I looked at my notes). It was an okay show.


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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.84
Random Raw thoughts:

-Ehh...average show, nothing special.

-The police officers just standing there when Matt Hardy was beating down Kane was hillarious. Even Lawler didn't know how to explain it.

-Jericho & Edge Vs. Orton & Batista was the match of the night. Jericho needs to be champ again.

-Wasn't Raw the number #1 show on cable during almost the entire Attitude era? All of sudden they start mentioning lately.

-JR yelling at Lawler to shut up during the main event was great. Seeing Lita in the last 30 minutes of Raw is just creepy.
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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.59
What is the purpose of even having Stacey on the show anymore? She is in like 1 segment every show for about 2 mins. I mean, they could find SOME other use for her you would think.

And when Lita was all like "I am a terrible person, I slept with Kane!", I was thinking that the real terrible person was the writer who came up with the whole idea.

I miss the GWF.

Since: 25.4.03
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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.56

All I have to say is that Nick Dinsmore deserves every penny he gets ... I was lying there watch his backstage vignette with Triple H and feeling sorry for him. Then I realized he just an actor!!!

Mediocre show ... nothing really to write home about ... that looked like it could have turned into nasty bump over the top rope that Orton took ... and he sold that Batista clothesline like a champ.

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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.24
There's a lot of things I consistently like about RAW: Chris Benoit matches, Triple H's uberheel, Matt Hardy, Randy Orton, the build of Batista, the consistent build of the World Heavyweight Championship as a legit title...and Eugene. This show had a bit of everything. I can forgive the one or two segments of the Magical Mystery Theatre Starring Stacy & Lita because it gives me a time to pee.

Good RAW. They continue to make Benoit look like gold, so that IF he loses the belt to HHH he still looks like a million bucks.

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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.37
You know Orton can't take an over the top rope bump when Jim Ross notices/mentions it.
Impressive of Kane to wrestle in a World Title match and get interviewed by a barbecued stuffed pig on the night after his father was executed on PPV. Just shows the cruelty of the McMahon family in not providing Kane with bereavement leave in order to mourn the passing of his father. And, how disgusting that Kane's father Paul Bearer didn't get a 10 bell salute to open the show, or even a memorial tribute?
Lita missed the low blow on Kane by at least a foot. And, from the people who brought you the Nowitski/Steiner debate over foreign policy, this year, in order to help voter registration, Stacy and Lita will debate the pros and cons of abortion. Cricket noises will be provided for the half hour it takes each participant to come up with a coherant thought.
Weird watching Regal wrestle as a face.
Nice of Jim Ross to blow the Sgt. Slaughter surprise when he mentions a Hall of Famer will be wrestling after the break. And, if someone from the back is going to wrestle, why not Fit Finley?

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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.46
Damn, Ross was PISSED during the main event... that was pretty entertaining banter between him and Lawler, and although Ross continues to fail me when it comes to calling moves (that was a Texas Cloverleaf J.R., not a Sharpshooter), he's still entertaining, and he's the best announcer out there to give a match a big-time feel to it.

Eugene continues to be awesome. Him beating the crap out of Regal was pretty surprising, but it helps bring along his character development... he's still a face, but now he has conflicts with Regal and (presumably) Benoit. The GM stuff next week should be entertaining... and hey, a retard running things is a step above Smackdown *rim shot*
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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.26
Gosh, in that two seconds of ridiculously telegraphed fake heel turn, I realized Lita as a slightly psycho heel supporting Kane would be about a BILLION times better than current Lita


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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.11
Am I the only person who really liked this Raw?

Evolution and Eugene segment was cool on its own merits, and they sowed the seeds of Orton's revolt. The tag match was awesome. La Res vs. Slaughter/Rhyno was inoffensive. The ME was very strong.

OK, the Matt/Lita/Kane storyline sucks, but other than that good show.
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Since: 17.6.02
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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.40
Concerning Eugene as GM, I can see it now: Bischoff is at a beach catching some sun, as he wonders:

"I wonder how Eugene is doing with RAW?"

Cut back to the arena, which is now on fire, as fans and wrestlers flee for their lives.

Meanwhile, a local sculptor has just recieved a huge block of concrete from Norfolk, VA... but that's another story for another time...

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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.84
    Originally posted by redsoxnation
    Impressive of Kane to wrestle in a World Title match and get interviewed by a barbecued stuffed pig on the night after his father was executed on PPV.

Forgot to mention this, but are we just supposed to forget 1997-2000? Thou shall believe whatever Mr.McMahon tells you.
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Since: 9.11.03
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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.49
Everything and everyone involved in the Eugene storyline is pure AWESOME. When I'm sitting in my chair, drinking a cream soda, eating a Nerds Rope, watching a British man being besmirched by the boss's son-in-law, in a match being officated by a mentally handicapped man, and I'm LOVING EVERY MINUTE OF IT, WWE is doing their job.

So is Nick Dinsmore, for that matter.

On a side note, is Kane EVER going to get to hold a main title again? I'm sorry, but it's a sad day when Bradshaw has held a main title longer than Kane.

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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.57
    Originally posted by jjfc
    Am I the only person who really liked this Raw?

I actually thought RAW was a pretty good show. I liked it better than last week, in that they were able to have character and angle development occur without comprimising the amount of actual wrestling in the program.

I liked what they did with the Eugene character, and even HHH seems sort of fresh in his role as the manipulator of poor Eugene. Regal's always fun to watch wrestle for reasons I don't know how to explain. It was also good to see Kane not chokeslam a pregnant woman, proving once and for all that he is a far better individual than his murdering brother.

One question though, when did Rhyno turn face? I don't watch Velocity, did I miss something?
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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.05
I love the way Randy Orton sold Batista's clothesline. Lying there dead is so much cooler looking than rolling out of the ring and disappearing.
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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.82
    Originally posted by Kane Is Ugly
    And when Lita was all like "I am a terrible person, I slept with Kane!", I was thinking that the real terrible person was the writer who came up with the whole idea.
I was thinking Stacey should have said "Dude, I slept with TEST."

Another missed opportunity...Eugene catching Regal with the knucks could have shown off his wrestling knowledge by screaming "Power of the Punch! Power of the Punch!" Not that it matters. The whole Regal-HHH-Eugene stuff is just awesome.

So the fire alarm goes off in a major public venue and everybody can not only ignore it completely, but start a wrestling chant in synch with it?

Did Slaughter's intro include video that said "Sylvain Grenier"?


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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.35
Orton's clothesline bump was great. As was Edge talking shit to Orton post-match.

The Lita/Kane storyline could have been so much better if Lita was actually trying to goad Kane into attacking her and causing a miscarriage. I thought they were kindasorta teasing something along those lines during the Lita/Stacy ACTING CLINIC, but I guess not.

Regal looked great tonight. He looks well suited to the "New" WWE style. He and Orton need to have a match where they European uppercut the fuck out of eachother.

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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.88
Regal vs. HHH made me NEED!!!! to see a 15 minute match between the two. That was an excellent build up for a match of that length.

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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.85
Next week should be much more entertaining! Get ready for EUGENE replacing Bischoff in the Raw opening for one week. That alone will equal RATINGS!

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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.90
    Originally posted by Mr Heel II
    Did Slaughter's intro include video that said "Sylvain Grenier"?

I think it was just a technical bug. The Quebecois "menage-a-flag" image was displayed for a while as well before being abruptedly switched to a USA one.

Tonight provided irrefutable evidence that anyone who tries to claim that Chris Jericho isn't over, Vince McMahon included, is a senile crazy fuck. When you have the crowd chanting your nickname in time with the friggin' FIRE ALARM, you're over, period.

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#20 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.00
    Originally posted by Underwater
    The Lita/Kane storyline could have been so much better if Lita was actually trying to goad Kane into attacking her and causing a miscarriage. I thought they were kindasorta teasing something along those lines during the Lita/Stacy ACTING CLINIC, but I guess not

Indeed. If I were magically transformed into "man in charge" over there, I think a money way to bring this angle to a swift yet meaningful conclusion would have been:

Lita comes out, taunts Kane verbally instead of doing the faux-heel shtick. I mean really rips into him, questioning what kind of a man he is for tapping out, etc.. Kane goes nuts, gives a nice loose chokeslam. Next week of course we learn that she lost the baby and boom, angle over.

Ideally they would somehow inexplicably decide to run a test and determine that the baby was actually Matt's. The revelation so devastates Lita that she retires from wrestling altogether. Though Kane can technically be charged with murder Matt agrees not to press charges in exchange for a match at the next PPV, the stip being that the winner gets the right to impregnate Stacy Kiebler. The move backfires when the diva's preferred method of entering the ring becomes physically impossible by the third trimester. By the time the child is born Lita has wrapped work on her first independent film and is invited to be a guest on Inside the Actors' Studio with James Lipton, who thinks her early work with Essa Rios was "simply breathtaking."

In all seriousness, I wouldn't be suprised to see them work this possibility in, and I think it couldn't hurt.. After dragging out the "whose baby is it really?" part of the angle, if it turns out to be Kanes, Lita either takes advantage of the fact that Kane won't want to harm the baby, or purposefully tries to get him to hurt her and the "baby" to end the abomination of a pregnancy without actually having to use or consider the "a-word."

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