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#61 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.68
Just finished watching Raw and American Idol, so now, it's time for my thoughts.

    Originally posted by ScreamingHeadGuy
    FOOTAGE! from last week's main event, with video effects and BGM.

    Fighting evil by moonlight, winning love by daylight, never running from a real fight, because it is time to WAKE UP! It's Raw, live from San Jose, CA...and a Fashion Report, too! The stage is camera-right this week.

    HHH, in black iron-cross undies, with FOOTAGE! of Shelton beating him, vs. Shelton, in red singlet with silver trim (rolled down). Mike Chioda is the referee, in black/white stripes. Fan Fashion - Gumby is present in the second row. Shelton is owning HHH. But then Shawn, in black wifebeater and jeans, makes with the run-in. HHH flees through the crowd. Um, no contest?

    Shawn gets on the mic to challenge HHH. But Bisch, in black suit and blue shirt, is out to put the nix on any shenanigans this week. Bisch calls for the Rent-a-Cops to escort Shawn from the building 'cuz he's suspended.

    HHH/Benjamin -> My mom was in the room when HHH came out, and she said, "Looks like a gorilla." That's OK, she doesn't watch wrestling. Anyway, the match was too short.

    HHH/HBK confront -> Just end this, please. When Bischoff brought out the indy wrestlers, I meant, "Security", I knew it was going to get ridiculous. Bischoff suspends HBK, so what, and JR has a fit.



    FOOTAGE! hyping Orton vs. Edge.

    In the Evolution locker room, Flair gives the troops a pep-talk.
    Bisch arrives on the scent to book HHH vs. Benoit for the Title next week.

    Great, HHH wins and the wrestling world goes back to normal next week. Just what we need...maybe NOT!!!



    Tajiri, in black pants with dragon and flaming left hem, vs. Batista, in black undies with arcing red flame. Jack Doan officiates. Batista takes control by attacking Tajiri's back. Man, Batista probably needs to do lots of stretching. Spinebuster->pin. An average match. Post-match Batista delivers a further beating. Ah - Tajiri's insides ARE green.

    OK match, and Batista proves our point. He is going to be dominant down the line. Oh yeah, JR has another fit. 30 minutes into the program and he is annoying me pretty fast.



    Stacie, in one-piece blue denim sleeveless/legless bodysuit, pimps some Diva dreck. Fortunately Gail, in red top and black hotpants, and Molly, a blonde, in red/black/white top and black pants, put the kibosh on that; they also rough-up Stacie. Victoria, in white bra and hotpants, is out. So is Jazz, in black. So is Nidia, in black bra and hotpants. The heels flee.

    Should have fast-forwarded it.



    In the back, the face women pow-wow. Meanwhile, in the back, Todd interviews Jericho, who cuts a promo on Christian!.

    Randy, in red "Orton" undies with hip bolts, wearing the IC Title vs. Edge, in blue tights with white "Edge" splats, his left wrist in a cast, wearing the Tag Title. Chad Patton is the referee, in the usual referee stripes. There is much standoff/even-matched-ness to start. Edge quickly and solidly takes control by working the back. Mid-match Flair comes out, along with AdBreak.

    Cont. Orton is in control. Flair has lost his sportscoat, being down to a pink shirt and khakis. Ooo - Edge spears Orton off the apron and into the barricade. OMG - Orton's attempted headscissors(?) countered into a powerbomb! Edge spears Flair on the apron, and Orton gets the pin (with tights) on the rebound. A nice match, if slow (and uninspired before the ad break).

    What was that ending??? Anyway, nice match.



    FOOTAGE! from last week's FOOTAGE! of Eugene's training. Presently, in the back, Eugene stretches while Regal looks on. Bisch comes by to speak to Regal, asking that he have Eugene throw the match in return for Regal getting his roster spot. (What - they're going to rig the result of a wrestling match!?)

    JR, in black hat and sportscoat with blue shirt, red tie and hanky, and Lawler, in black/gold shiny scaled shirt, lament the selling-out of poor Eugene.

    Uh, just get to the match.



    Face women: Stacie, Nidia, and Victoria, vs. Heel women: Jazz, Molly, and Gail. Jack Doan is the referee. Much punch/kick ensues. Victoria submits to Gail. Nidia and Stacie never got tagged-in.

    Here's Stacy's moves for a normal match, kick, kick, and not much else. My dad said that she does not deserve to be in the ring. Boring match.



    Smackdown! (Oh God, no - make it go away!) Rebound: 'Cuz they know you don't watch it.

    That's why I have presently stopped writing down things about Smackdown. If Raw and Smackdown were in the stock market, Raw...up, Smackdown...down.



    In the back, Todd interviews Christian, flanked by Trish and Tyson. Christian isn't afraid of his match ('cuz he's got lackeys). Post-interview, Trish visits Lita and taunts her with a fake Kane-sighting. Lita brings the whoop-ass.

    Whatever.



    Mattitude, in black/white coat and pants (man, I like that coat), with Lita and FOOTAGE! of last week's crap (Ms. R. saw that stuff and said it's "stupid") vs. Val. Um, but Kane's head has attacked Val backstage; so we don't get a match. Kane, breathing heavily, wants an answer from Lita. (But wait, it will get worse!)

    Kane, thanks for sparing us from watching Val tonight. To the one who can't stand the closeups of Kane, we watch on the big screen and his head fills it all up.



    Rob Conway, in sparkly blue military coat and blue "La Resistance" undies, with Quebec flag, with Sylvan, in same. Regal psyches Eugene in the back (and see that tortured look on Regal's face as he's torn about what to do). Rob vs. Eugene, in white jacket and slick blue undies, with Regal, in black suit, white shirt and silver tie. Chad Patton is the referee. The crowd is massively behind Eugene. Regal tries to trip Eugene, but weasels his way out of it. Eugene with the rollup and bridge. Average match.

    Now I have seen what everyone in OVW territory have seen for many years. Gimmick aside, he looks like a good one. Nice match. Regal's gimmicks...priceless, as usual. Looked like he smelled a skunk.



    FOOTAGE! of Benoit.

    Man, this is like a free PPV and the champ is off?



    Bisch is out, with Johnny Weekly, in brown shirt (top two buttons open) and black pants. Bisch allows Johnny to announce Trish vs. Lita, next week. Bisch books a 20-man battle royale next week for the Number One contendership.

    2 nice matches, then the graphics. Once I saw the competitors for the battle royal, I said, "Here's the PEANUT GALLERY." I could have said a police line, but I used that a few weeks ago.



    The cage lowers.

    Bisch has joined Lawler and JR on commentary. Lillian announces the rules (as if we don't know them already).

    Lillian + face time = great TV. Maybe show her singing the National Anthem prior to Raw on occasion, maybe once a year. It doesn't have to be like after 9/11, or after we got Saddam. Even a random week, please.



    Jericho, in blue silhoutte trunks with pink/white/black rays, vs. Christian, in black trunks with pink "C"s on white crests, with Trish and Tyson. Chioda is the official in the ring; Doan is in control on the outside. After much shenanigans, Tyson is sent to the back. Christian! is the first to bleed - big time. Can Trish's shirt go any higher? Trish tries to interfere with a chair, but she gets put into the Walls. Christian takes that opportunity to make a break for it, but Jericho pulls him back into the cage and puts him into the Walls for a submission. A nice match, but it was rushed. Post-match Jericho poses atop the cage.

    Guess Christian picked up the short straw for this match and had to do the blading. He bled well, and we got "crimson mask" for the old timers out there. Good match. At least we did not get either one winning by weaseling out through the door or over the top. It finished in the ring for once.



    Overall: Except for the continued Kane/Lita/Mattitude crapfest (the thing that makes you ashamed to be a wrestling fan), it was a pretty good show. Not as good as last week's, but entertaining nonetheless.

    (edited by ScreamingHeadGuy on 10.5.04 2221)


Good program this week for a free PPV type event.

Couple of non-wrestling things before I go.

1) If you don't want to see my AI thought...don't peek.


OK, to quote Simon a few weeks ago, tongue...floor. Thought LaToya was going to win it all. All I could say is...it's wide open now. I remember when Jennifer got knocked out, page 2 of the Chicago Sun Times (the home paper for me, along with the Tribune) said, "It's an Outrage." Bay Area, I really feel your pain tonight into tomorrow.






2) I will not write my thoughts for the next few weeks. So many family issues, one being my grandmother going in for major surgery. She's going in a week from Monday. If everything goes well, I will be in Branson the week of June 14. If it gets worse, we'll have to stay home. Also, my other grandmother is coming for several weeks (she's going to Branson, too), so...the big screen is hers, and we get the tapes. I will get back to writing when the family matters subside, one way or the other.

I'll still be looking around, and adding to the topics if I need to. See you whenever.
Boston Idol
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Since: 17.2.03
From: San Jose, CA

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#62 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.54
Mercer posted:

> Anybody catch the spot during the
> Edge-Orton match where Randy waited...
> and waited for Edge to kick him.

Look again. Orton needed to bend down
so Edge could kick him. Edge finally
cocked his leg to give Randy a hint,
but then Randy bumped before Edge could
kick him and sold the whiff. Horrible.
All Randy's fault. Watch them go right
back to the same spot. The second time
it looks perfect because dummy Randy
finally remembered to bend over first.

*****

Hogan's My Dad posted:

> Orton V.S. Edge was passable, and
> probably the best Orton is capable
> of at this stage in his career...
> Edge seems to be getting better,
> finally.

Good point as Edge filled his portion
of the match with ten or more moves
mainly focusing on Orton's back while
Orton struggled to deliver five moves,
including duplicates, around some more
horrible looking resthold submissions.

It's amazing people don't see through
Orton's Lugeresque limitations, but
oddly enough they are so loyal that
they blame his mistakes on others.

*****

MandingO posted:

> I wish Shelton had more ring time,

And the offense to fill it.

> but it's a good build to the final
> match betwenn H H H and Shawn Michaels.

Right. What happened to Shelton after
Shawn ran in? Did he fall through the
trap door marked "Velocity Tapings?"
Not only did he vanish into thin air,
the announcers never mentioned him again,
making it clear he was irrelevant.
So much for the Jeff Hardy of 2004.

> Edge and Orton was decent... but, I
> found myself wandering ... probably
> still upset that I locked myself out
> of my Apartment...

Orton's chinlock, arm bar, stretch plum,
cobra clutch nonsense lasted four minutes.

But maybe you got bored earlier...

00-30 seconds - tie up and shoving
30-60 seconds - Orton headlock
60-80 seconds - looking at each other

Of course it would help if Orton had
more offensive moves to fill the time.

*****

Stagger Lee posted:

> Orton waiting to get kicked,

But dumbly forgetting to bend over...
how long do you think Edge's leg is?!?!

> kick whiffing, Otron sells it like
> he was kicked in the stomach,

That was a classic dumb ad-lib. Looks
like they picked the wrong guy for the
new Eugene gimmick. Orton _is_ Eugene.

> then, replay it again and get kicked
> in the head this time.

Because Orton actually bent over this
time like he was supposed to earlier,
then waited for the kick rather than
bailing out early to sell the gut.

Seriously, that screw up was on Orton.

> BAD, BAD, BAD, Edge should know better.

*big laugh*

Edge should know better than to call
for the exact same spot, except he's
fresh off the taped show where they
edit out the misses to make everyone
look like talented performers. Yes,
it was a dumb mistake by Edge to go
right back to it after Randy blew it.

By the way, did anyone catch Orton
stumbling to his knees on the small
screen before hitting the "modified"
neckbreaker? Orton's not ready for
prime time. Sloppy holds, limited
moveset, and some laughable gaffes.

Yeah, I know... BLAME HIS OPPONENT.

Frank
Hogan's My Dad
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Since: 8.6.02
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#63 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.20
Brace yourself Boston Idol. Surely someone will be along shortly to tell you that you are simply jealous of how pretty he is. You and I both know that jealousy can't cause the object of jealousy to perform his job improperly, but that won't factor in for the Orton lovers.





I'd tell you to kiss my ass, but I don't want to get it infected.
Boston Idol
Blutwurst








Since: 17.2.03
From: San Jose, CA

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#64 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.54
Hogan's My Dad posted:

> Brace yourself Boston Idol. Surely someone will
> be along shortly to tell you that you are simply
> jealous of how pretty he is.

I'm jealous of Trip being rich and getting
(or is it giving) anal on a regular basis, too. :p

> You and I both know that jealousy can't cause the
> object of jealousy to perform his job improperly,
> but that won't factor in for the Orton lovers.

If people watch the two attempts back to back they
will get it. To his credit, Orton made the second
try look like a million bucks. He has potential,
but he's extremely green and his moveset is puny.

Rocky Maivia was so bad that some jackass, okay,
Michael K. Johnson II of PWInsider, actually held
up a "Die Rocky Die" sign during one of his early
television matches. Rocky always had potential,
but he needed to drop stuff that wasn't working
(a shoulder breaker in the nineties?!?!) and stuff
that was too complicated for him (don't they teach
"La Magistral" in remedial lucha classes?) and pick
up stuff he could execute properly (the People's
Elbow and the Rock Bottom) or at least not blow.

Randy Orton may overcome being overexposed just
as Rocky Maivia did, but that doesn't explain why
the WWE has chosen to expose him and for every
Randy Orton who makes it there is a Shelton
Benjamin who flames out and is never supported
or taken seriously by fans again.

What the hell is OVW for, if not to teach guys
like Orton how to apply a few decent holds and
add simple moves like knee drops and elbow drops?

Frank

(edited by Boston Idol on 13.5.04 0047)

(edited by Boston Idol on 13.5.04 0048)
fuelinjected
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Since: 12.10.02
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#65 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.15
It would help if they had somewhere to work on their craft instead of being thrown into the fire YEARS too early. They did it to Brock, to Orton, to Cena, to Benjamin, to Haas, to everyone.

Well except Dinsmore, Basham, Damaja, Rico, and Conway. They all got ample time to work on their craft and develop and they get saddled with go nowhere gimmicks.

They're lacking that second step between OVW and WWE. Jerry Lawler apparently wants to try and provide that in Memphis with the studio format. Plus, there's a ton of indy shows in the area where the guys could work.

In OVW, they're taught all the tools but obviously there's a huge jump between being taught something and putting into practice in a wrestling match where it looks good and makes sense.



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#66 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.19
Saturn93...you are my favorite poster. Thanks for the insightful thoughts on this week's RAW. What would I do without you.



*There was once a sig here.
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#67 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.90
    Originally posted by The Amazing Salami
    Saturn93...you are my favorite poster. Thanks for the insightful thoughts on this week's RAW. What would I do without you.


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jjfc
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Since: 13.5.04
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#68 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.11
If Orton is such a drain on the product, as you seem to think he is. Why was the crowd so hot for the match? According to arena reports, he was more over than Edge. And that segment was the 2nd highest rated behind the ME.
oldschoolhero
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Since: 2.1.02
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#69 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.43
"Right. What happened to Shelton after
Shawn ran in? Did he fall through the
trap door marked "Velocity Tapings?"
Not only did he vanish into thin air,
the announcers never mentioned him again,
making it clear he was irrelevant.
So much for the Jeff Hardy of 2004."

Okay, I'm going to town on this.

Jeff Hardy beat Trips after a chairshot and a semi-fast count then got his ass royally kicked a week later in the rematch, with little to no offence. Shelton Benjamin beat Hunter twice in a row, the first time TOTALLY clean, the second time fighting off Evolution. Hardy was also put straight back into tag team competition, with his brief dalliance with the upper-card never being spoken of again. The announcers are REGULARLY reminding us of Shelton's victories, and he's slated to feud with Orton, the company's pet project, over the summer. THERE IS NO FREAKING COMPARISON HERE.






Once upon a time in China, some believe, around the year one double-ought three, head priest of the White Lotus Clan, Pai Mei was walking down the road, contemplating whatever it is that a man of Pai Mei's infinite power contemplates - which is another way of saying "who knows" - when a Shaolin monk appeared, traveling in the opposite direction. As the monk and the priest crossed paths, Pai Mei, in a practically unfathomable display of generosity, gave the monk the slightest of nods. The nod was not returned. Now was it the intention of the Shaolin monk to insult Pai Mei or did he just fail to see the generous social gesture? The motives of the monk remain unknown. What is known, are the consequences. The next morning Pai Mei appeared at the Shaolin Temple and demanded of the Temple's head abbot that he offer Pai Mei his neck to repay the insult. The Abbot at first tried to console Pai Mei, only to find Pai Mei was inconsolable. So began the massacre of the Shaolin Temple and all 60 of the monks inside at the fists of the White Lotus. And so began the legend of Pai Mei's five point palm exploding heart technique.
Boston Idol
Blutwurst








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From: San Jose, CA

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#70 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.54
fuelinjected posted:

> It would help if they had somewhere to work on
> their craft instead of being thrown into the fire
> YEARS too early. They did it to Brock, to Orton,
> to Cena, to Benjamin, to Haas, to everyone.

Agreed. Cena vs Brock looked like a bad indy match.

> In OVW, they're taught all the tools but obviously
> there's a huge jump between being taught something
> and putting into practice in a wrestling match where
> it looks good and makes sense.

Having more "teritories" is a good idea and before
anyone complains about costs, the other territories
don't need TV and nice facilities, just a gym, a
ring, some fans, and some workers. Basically the
WWE could offer "WWE Approved Training Facility"
to groups like Pro Wrestling Iron for an annual fee,
then they could send developmental guys there for
a few months, then send them to OVW, then send them
to Memphis, etc. They should also exchange talent
with Japan, not because I want to see Japanese stars
over here, but because WWE prospects would learn
new styles if they worked a few tours in Japan.

In the end the WWE also has to have more patience.
Right now they rush people through training with
the mindset that if they aren't ready within two
or three years, they never will be. It's an
unrealistic "sink or swim" attitude and many sink.

*****

jjfc posted:

> If Orton is such a drain on the product, as you
> seem to think he is. Why was the crowd so hot
> for the match? According to arena reports, he
> was more over than Edge. And that segment was
> the 2nd highest rated behind the ME.

I don't think Orton is necessarily a drain on the
product... any moreso than bad booking, Trip being
stale, etc. At the moment Orton is a net positive
as "new blood", but mistakes and bad matches will
be a drain on his popularity. Nikita? Lex Luger?

As for arena reports, most reviewers have blamed
Edge for a gaffe that was clearly Orton's fault,
so I tend to take Orton's fanboys with more than
a grain of salt. They are obviously delusional.
And I wouldn't quote this week's ratings in the
defense of Randy Orton or anyone else. I don't
blame him for the poor rating, look at the piece
of shit screwjob that opened the show, but his
rating was definitely not any sort of good news.

*****

oldschoolhero posted:

> Jeff Hardy beat Trips after a chairshot and
> a semi-fast count then got his ass royally
> kicked a week later in the rematch, with
> little to no offence. Shelton Benjamin beat
> Hunter twice in a row, the first time TOTALLY
> clean, the second time fighting off Evolution.

The first win was on a distraction spot. There
have been literally thousands of pins taken that
way and 99.44% of them were ultimately meaningless.
The second win was by countout.

But heck, I'll concede Shelton Benjamin had built
up some momentum at that point. He was then well
hidden in the eight man tag match, but soon showed
up on one of the programs only a few fans watch
and has done little to follow up his success.

Last night's disappearing act pretty much buried
whatever momentum he had going for him.

> Hardy was also put straight back into tag team
> competition, with his brief dalliance with the
> upper-card never being spoken of again. The
> announcers are REGULARLY reminding us of
> Shelton's victories, and he's slated to feud
> with Orton, the company's pet project, over
> the summer. THERE IS NO FREAKING COMPARISON HERE.

If Shelton feuds with Orton and is portrayed as
a meaningful player through the summer I will
have been proved wrong. As it stands he looks
like another guy who wasn't ready who Trip laid
down for to fool the rubes into thinking that
Trip was a team player.

A meaningful job would have been Trip jobbing to
Goldberg in Goldberg's debut, or to Edge now, or
to Jericho in a number one contenders match. It's
no accident that Trip only puts over "no hopers."

We went through all this with Hurricane. People
kept telling me that his program with the Rock
was a legitimate attempt to elevate him. Right...

Frank
oldschoolhero
Knackwurst








Since: 2.1.02
From: nWo Country

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#71 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.43
OH you're such a card

"If Shelton feuds with Orton and is portrayed as
a meaningful player through the summer I will
have been proved wrong. As it stands he looks
like another guy who wasn't ready who Trip laid
down for to fool the rubes into thinking that
Trip was a team player."

Meltz has Benjamin Vs. Orton for the strap down as the third-tier match for Badd Blood, and that belt'll be comin' offa him some time. Compare and contrast with Hardy two months after his "elevation": Tag match at Judgement Day, wins and loses the Light Heavyweight Title in around three weeks in June, and RVD's job-boy over summer. It's not gonna happen.

"A meaningful job would have been Trip jobbing to
Goldberg in Goldberg's debut, or to Edge now, or
to Jericho in a number one contenders match. It's
no accident that Trip only puts over "no hopers.""

Oh man like the TWO times he put over Billy-Boy clean, dead-centre, and people STILL shat on Goldberg. That BASTARD.

"We went through all this with Hurricane. People
kept telling me that his program with the Rock
was a legitimate attempt to elevate him. Right..."

You mean the fluke-pin that had no follow-up, and didn't even result in his music being played after the match? As compared to Benjamin's second victory, a win over Flair and a constant presence against Evolution since then? *shakes head*

You're dug in like an Alabama tick there. Delusions of NEGATIVITY exist too, ya know.





Once upon a time in China, some believe, around the year one double-ought three, head priest of the White Lotus Clan, Pai Mei was walking down the road, contemplating whatever it is that a man of Pai Mei's infinite power contemplates - which is another way of saying "who knows" - when a Shaolin monk appeared, traveling in the opposite direction. As the monk and the priest crossed paths, Pai Mei, in a practically unfathomable display of generosity, gave the monk the slightest of nods. The nod was not returned. Now was it the intention of the Shaolin monk to insult Pai Mei or did he just fail to see the generous social gesture? The motives of the monk remain unknown. What is known, are the consequences. The next morning Pai Mei appeared at the Shaolin Temple and demanded of the Temple's head abbot that he offer Pai Mei his neck to repay the insult. The Abbot at first tried to console Pai Mei, only to find Pai Mei was inconsolable. So began the massacre of the Shaolin Temple and all 60 of the monks inside at the fists of the White Lotus. And so began the legend of Pai Mei's five point palm exploding heart technique.
jjfc
Cotechino








Since: 13.5.04
From: DC

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#72 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.11
    Originally posted by Boston Idol
    As for arena reports, most reviewers have blamed
    Edge for a gaffe that was clearly Orton's fault,
    so I tend to take Orton's fanboys with more than
    a grain of salt. They are obviously delusional


So I was delusional when I heard a "Randy" chant on my TV? Also if the missed kick was partially Orton's fault, then I'm sure you will agree that the missed RKO that Orton takes so much sh1t for was partially Y2J's fault for holding the LionTamer too tight.
Boston Idol
Blutwurst








Since: 17.2.03
From: San Jose, CA

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#73 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.54
> So I was delusional when I heard a "Randy"
> chant on my TV?

I still hear ECW chants and they are bankrupt.
All it takes is five guys yelling behind the
announcer's table, especially when the rest
of the crowd is subdued. Pop in a tape from
2000 and then tell me about crowd heat now.

> Also if the missed kick was partially Orton's
> fault, then I'm sure you will agree that the
> missed RKO that Orton takes so much sh1t for
> was partially Y2J's fault for holding the
> LionTamer too tight.

I'm not familiar with the spot in question,
but Jericho being sloppy wouldn't shock me.

What about Orton stumbling and falling down
before he got up to hit the over the back
version of the hangman. Did you see that?

Frank
GRL
Frankfurter








Since: 13.7.02
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#74 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.10
    Originally posted by Boston Idol
    > So I was delusional when I heard a "Randy"
    > chant on my TV?

    I still hear ECW chants and they are bankrupt.
    All it takes is five guys yelling behind the
    announcer's table, especially when the rest
    of the crowd is subdued. Pop in a tape from
    2000 and then tell me about crowd heat now.




They've moved the announcer's table to the entrance area.
jjfc
Cotechino








Since: 13.5.04
From: DC

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#75 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.11
    Originally posted by Boston Idol
    > So I was delusional when I heard a "Randy"
    > chant on my TV?

    I still hear ECW chants and they are bankrupt.
    All it takes is five guys yelling behind the
    announcer's table, especially when the rest
    of the crowd is subdued. Pop in a tape from
    2000 and then tell me about crowd heat now.

    > Also if the missed kick was partially Orton's
    > fault, then I'm sure you will agree that the
    > missed RKO that Orton takes so much sh1t for
    > was partially Y2J's fault for holding the
    > LionTamer too tight.

    I'm not familiar with the spot in question,
    but Jericho being sloppy wouldn't shock me.

    What about Orton stumbling and falling down
    before he got up to hit the over the back
    version of the hangman. Did you see that?

    Frank


This reminds me of the old Groucho Marx line "Who are you going to believe me or your lying eyes?" Boston Idol is doing better. He wants us to ignore the rating, what we saw on TV, what we heard, and the arena reports.

Randy stumbling is based on the fact that he's very good at selling. And maintains ring psychology. To give you an example in a subtle spot last week he threw down Shelton's leg to avoid the Irish Whip.
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#76 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.32
    Originally posted by Boston Idol
    Having more "teritories" is a good idea and before
    anyone complains about costs, the other territories
    don't need TV and nice facilities, just a gym, a
    ring, some fans, and some workers. Basically the
    WWE could offer "WWE Approved Training Facility"
    to groups like Pro Wrestling Iron for an annual fee,
    then they could send developmental guys there for
    a few months, then send them to OVW, then send them
    to Memphis, etc. They should also exchange talent
    with Japan, not because I want to see Japanese stars
    over here, but because WWE prospects would learn
    new styles if they worked a few tours in Japan.

    In the end the WWE also has to have more patience.
    Right now they rush people through training with
    the mindset that if they aren't ready within two
    or three years, they never will be. It's an
    unrealistic "sink or swim" attitude and many sink.


Right on, with WWE as the #1 wrestling promotion in the world, they really should utilize their resources like this much more. There is absolutely no reason for them to have subpar workers on TV, as they literally have the entire wrestling talent pool to choose from and train to become the best. OVW has produced some awesome guys, but it's still hit and miss. More minor leagues and even minor minor leagues would do wonders for the overall talent of the WWE's roster and upcoming stars.



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#77 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.12
    Originally posted by samoflange
      Originally posted by Boston Idol
      Having more "teritories" is a good idea and before
      anyone complains about costs, the other territories
      don't need TV and nice facilities, just a gym, a
      ring, some fans, and some workers. Basically the
      WWE could offer "WWE Approved Training Facility"
      to groups like Pro Wrestling Iron for an annual fee,
      then they could send developmental guys there for
      a few months, then send them to OVW, then send them
      to Memphis, etc. They should also exchange talent
      with Japan, not because I want to see Japanese stars
      over here, but because WWE prospects would learn
      new styles if they worked a few tours in Japan.

      In the end the WWE also has to have more patience.
      Right now they rush people through training with
      the mindset that if they aren't ready within two
      or three years, they never will be. It's an
      unrealistic "sink or swim" attitude and many sink.


    Right on, with WWE as the #1 wrestling promotion in the world, they really should utilize their resources like this much more. There is absolutely no reason for them to have subpar workers on TV, as they literally have the entire wrestling talent pool to choose from and train to become the best. OVW has produced some awesome guys, but it's still hit and miss. More minor leagues and even minor minor leagues would do wonders for the overall talent of the WWE's roster and upcoming stars.

I think a problem would be finding qualified teachers/trainers of these new guys, enough to fill a few minor league levels. I mean, didn't WWE send Brian Adams and Big Bossman to OVW to help train a few years ago? If they can't find anyone better than that.....God help us.



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#78 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.47
    Originally posted by geemoney
      Originally posted by samoflange
        Originally posted by Boston Idol
        Having more "teritories" is a good idea and before
        anyone complains about costs, the other territories
        don't need TV and nice facilities, just a gym, a
        ring, some fans, and some workers. Basically the
        WWE could offer "WWE Approved Training Facility"
        to groups like Pro Wrestling Iron for an annual fee,
        then they could send developmental guys there for
        a few months, then send them to OVW, then send them
        to Memphis, etc. They should also exchange talent
        with Japan, not because I want to see Japanese stars
        over here, but because WWE prospects would learn
        new styles if they worked a few tours in Japan.

        In the end the WWE also has to have more patience.
        Right now they rush people through training with
        the mindset that if they aren't ready within two
        or three years, they never will be. It's an
        unrealistic "sink or swim" attitude and many sink.


      Right on, with WWE as the #1 wrestling promotion in the world, they really should utilize their resources like this much more. There is absolutely no reason for them to have subpar workers on TV, as they literally have the entire wrestling talent pool to choose from and train to become the best. OVW has produced some awesome guys, but it's still hit and miss. More minor leagues and even minor minor leagues would do wonders for the overall talent of the WWE's roster and upcoming stars.

    I think a problem would be finding qualified teachers/trainers of these new guys, enough to fill a few minor league levels. I mean, didn't WWE send Brian Adams and Big Bossman to OVW to help train a few years ago? If they can't find anyone better than that.....God help us.


Good point there. Hopefully with Lance Storm down in OVW, new prospects will improve that much more, and those lacking who are currently on WWE rosters could be sent down for some CANADIAN TRAINING.

Does Malenko train wrestlers or he in more of just a match planning type of role?



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#79 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.20
    Originally posted by samoflange
    Does Malenko train wrestlers or he in more of just a match planning type of role?

As far as I know, he's just an agent....but I wouldn't be surprised if he had a hand in helping the cruiserweights.



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#80 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.81
    Originally posted by Boston Idol
    What happened to Shelton after
    Shawn ran in? Did he fall through the
    trap door marked "Velocity Tapings?"
    Not only did he vanish into thin air,
    the announcers never mentioned him again,
    making it clear he was irrelevant.


Whenever Shawn and HHH are facing each other, the area outside the ring becomes some sort of space-time anomaly that somehow temporarily causes a wrestler to not only vanish, but to have never existed at all. Just ask Chris Jericho.



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