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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.43
I was THERE.

The "You Screwed Matt" chants went on for the entire Edge/Benoit match in my section. Watching it on tape it seemed like they only went on for the first minute or so, but from where I was sitting, we chanted it the whole time. >=D

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MNM are the new Tag Team Champions thanks to Melina's breasts interfearing with Eddie's ability to help his tag partner out. ^_^;

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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.56
Pose off was something special. I forgot I hate Michaels. Then he mockingly put on Hassan's head scarf. Problem solved.

Trish/Vis was so damn good. That is comedy. Every other form of comedy they've tried since McMahon/Angle/Austin singing during the Invasion has been painfully unfunny.

Heartthrobs? This is just a poor man's Chuck & Billy.

Jericho needs to take a look at the Rock's muscial concerts. Those were funny.

Vince is more hobbled than ever now. Christian seemed more motivated than usual on the mic, possibly he was out there with Vinny. "About a month" is pretty vague for a McMahon declaration, must be hazy off them painkillers.

There's something about the palsy look of JR's face, which is of course no fault of his own, that makes me very uncomfortable watching him get the crap kicked out of him. He's so feeble-looking, and he just looks so sad and embarrassed and I'm embarrassed too, not for JR however, but rather to be watching this. And I am not someone who says that a lot, unlike most wrestling fans I defend it instead of just watching it and changing the channel when anyone's around. I try time and again to imagine who in the world wants to see something like that bloody mess of an overweight sixty-year-old with a serious affliction and I keep getting this image of Charles Manson. Batista taking so long to get there was explained, but his apparent lack of concern for JR as anything other than a tool to further embarass Hunter also made him look like an amoral bastard.

(edited by Hogan's My Dad on 18.4.05 2221)

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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.52
I dunno, I found RAW enjoyable, different, and unpredictable. God help me, when Trish was being stalked by Kane, part of me actually expected Matt Hardy to show up. Viscera? That was outta left field, but I thought it was one of the funniest parts of the night-- who would've thought Vis had a personality? Curious to see where this goes. And Trish's facial expressions of "Oh, shit, what did I get myself into?" were priceless.

I thought it was funny when Chris Jericho sang "Shelton Benjamin is a Little Bitch". I wouldn't call it burying Shelton at all... it's just another part of the verbal one-upsmanship game that they were playing last week. Last week I daresay Shelton got the best line with "I can take this fist and make more hits than the last Fozzy album." This week, Shelton smiled and even laughed the first coupla times Y2J sang the "Shelton's a bitch" line, but then got progressively more pissed off until he was about to go down and take care of bidness. Well-played.

Anyone who can't get excited about seeing Y2J vs. Shelton probably hasn't heard the news that Shelton Benjamin's perhaps the most entertaining wrestler on the roster right now.

The Edge/Benoit match took an interesting "Kevin Sullivan, Bash at the Beach" turn-- good job, although it was bullshit the way they ended it. Let 'em fight, dammit! Well, there certainly won't be any of that at Backlash.

I didn't hear the chants during Benoit/Edge, but I couldn't help but hear them during the Lita segment. Hey, Lita, they're not chanting because they dislike the Lita character-- they're chanting because they dislike you. And I guarantee you that even a few years from now, both Adam and Amy are gonna wonder, "Are people still looking at me differently than they did before?"

But I loved the show of support for Matt Hardy by the MSG crowd. Matt, hope to see you in WWE again before long-- only on SmackDown, so you only have to see those two betrayers three or four times a year.

The "Diva Search" line by Christian was funny, echoing my own sarcastic thoughts of "because it was sooo popular the last time." So, Mr. McMahon has a big announcement, Right Here in This Very Ring? "We're having another draft lottery!" Well, duh. You're not telling me anything I don't already know. But it's nice they've set a date for it now. Let the speculation begin!

Yes, Batista and Christian are main-eventing RAW next week (and yes, Tomko's facial expressions were brilliant), but I don't recall Vince saying anything about it being a World Heavyweight Title match. In fact I'd be surprised if it were. On the other hand, you've always got to wonder about when Edge is gonna take his money out of the bank, because if Batista's ever left lying in the ring, Edge could exercise his right to a match then and there, and become the new World Heavyweight Champion. So whenever the champ's onscreen, you've always got to wonder.

And I'd be very surprised if Batista isn't left lying in the ring at least once before Backlash. Thus far the Triple H/Batista feud has been pretty one-sided-- Triple H talks all the shit, Batista kicks all the ass. Not that I'm complaining!

I'm off Thursday, so let's see if SmackDown can top this the way they topped RAW last week!

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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.05
The problem with Batista is that every time he's supposed to shine his segment comes afeter an Hogan or Austin segment. If they're gonna build the brand around him, then do it. Right now he's playing second fiddle to history.

McMahon is a freak of nature to bounce back that quick.

Christian might be the most underrated star in the sport and by all rights should be a main event star. He could go to Smackdown and be built as a credible contender.

I like Tomko.

The Lita segment was hard to watch. I don't know what they were thinking booking that segment for MSG. Almost masochistic.

The Vis stuff was great. I mean, a complete waste of time as he'll never draw money, but entertaining none the less. They should make a Trish 'Strictly Bidness' T-shirt

Hassan had Michaels beat after the Downward Spiral, he should be pissed Daivari for interfering.

The Hogan thing would've been cooler if it wasn't exactly like the WM run-in.

The JR v. HHH segment was so paint-by-numbers. Not what the crowd or the audience wanted.

I like the Edge v. Benoit feud.

The Hearthrobs were like something out of a local hick promotion designed to draw cheap heat. I like Cornette and OVW, but that stuff might work for the yokels, on the main stage it's really stupid.


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#25 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.34
I think it says something when most of the reaction to RAW was directed toward the pro-Matt Hardy chants, and not the fact that next week will be a new draft lottery.

I totally understand the thinking behind firing Matt. I'd probably do the same if I was in WWE's shoes. It sucks, sure. But it's business. You can't trust a guy who doesn't fall in with the company line. It's not as if WWE wanted to get rid of the guy - they simply had to.

Watching the Lita-Trish segment, I was starting to think that a double/quadruple turn was happening before my eyes. Kane's and Lita's actions seemed pretty heelish as Trish was run out of the ring. But alas, they're still supposed to be the faces... okaaaay.

Turn Lita heel - she's going to get booed anyway. And then milk the whole situation. Have Lita and Edge acknowledge that Matt got fired. Turn reality into a storyline, as if they aren't considering doing so already. You don't need Matt on the roster to make this angle work or to make it profitable. Have Lita taunt the fans and continually rub it in the fans' faces that Matt got screwed. If lucky, they'll get ECW Dudley Boys heat out of this.

The fallout from Vince-Bret was pretty decent for WWE. It created a monster heel out of Vince, which gave Austin the best foil of his career to play off. Vince came out and acknowledged what the fans were aware of - piles of money and fan interest followed. This won't reach the same levels, but it's better than status quo and trying to ignore what won't go away anytime soon.

I just hope they don't take Lita off the screen anytime soon in reaction to this. If anything, the pro-Matt support will only get bigger in the short-term.

Really, this is a no-brainer.

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#26 Posted on
    Originally posted by chill
    I think it says something when most of the reaction to RAW was directed toward the pro-Matt Hardy chants, and not the fact that next week will be a new draft lottery.

Not to nit-pic(ok, so I am) but Vinnie Mac said the draft will be "in about a month."

Edit: I suck at spelling

(edited by GoBlues77 on 19.4.05 0244)

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#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.63
"The Yokels" seem to still have a real regional promotion, sp they must be doing SOMETHING right.

Anyway, great to see an entire audience seem to sing along to NO CHANCE IN HELL, when Vinnie Mac came down. Line of the night might have been him telling Xtian you would be Captain Unemployed.

Were they chanting "You F**ked Matt"? That's what it sounded like to me. Either way, perhaps letting Benoit beat the hell out of him in a stiff match is his punishment for his involvement in the situation.

Trish and Vis would be great as a long term combo, with him helping her at every turn, and her being a total dick tease about her paying him back.

Heart throbs? Good lord they were bland AND boring. But, if the coach is in your corner, thats to be expected.

Trips slicing JR open looked too much like the Mass Transit Incident. I dont care that he bladed, but for crying out loud, after he bladed, they barely showed him or the results, so why bother?

The Hogan Walk-in was about 10 minutes too long. Decent little match with Hassan and HBK though.

And, best news of the night, DRAFT LOTTERY. I wonder how many people will actually switch sides that matter though.

(edited by StaggerLee on 19.4.05 0250)

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#28 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.99
    Originally posted by chill
    It's not as if WWE wanted to get rid of the guy - they simply had to.

Actually, with the writers admitting that they really didn't have anything for him, I think they did want to get rid of Matt. This incident just gave them a chance to move up their timetable in giving Matt the axe.

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#29 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.23
    Originally posted by Hogan's My Dad
    I try time and again to imagine who in the world wants to see something like that bloody mess of an overweight sixty-year-old with a serious affliction and I keep getting this image of Charles Manson.

Yeah, I suppose its the whole 'suspention of reality' thing has to come into it. Good point about Batista later though.

McMahon considering his injuries and age, looks great.
I agree with them not building the brand around Batista but funnily enough, I haven't stopped watching RAW or anything, I am really into Batistas character, but I still don't see him as legitimate. I guess I'm just not buying the fact that his facials are supposed to signify that hes silently laughing at you/with you/whatever, I just think they look like hes smiling because he can't think of anything to say and is trying to bluff his way through. The thumbs down thing got old one week after he first turned aswell.

Its strange but maybe H IS the best which we have got for the belt. I mean, backstage politics/crazy fanboy hatred aside, who does have any sort of legitimacey that H does? I dont think theres anybody currently in the WWE who I would like to see champion more than H. Maybe having a heel champion is always the best way to go, then have faces win it every now and again but it always going back to the heel champ. This gives the sense that the heel 'owns' the belt. Then when you get someone special in, give him the belt and the 'the guy that the champ can't ever seem to beat' gimmick and then run. The heel champ routine just seems to be something that they do when they don't have any big prospects coming through, or have them but they aren't quite there yet.

Either that or I'm sat on my voicebox, I'll cover both bases.

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#30 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.72
Loved Christian calling Cena "Marky Mark".

After all these years, is this the first time we've seen HBK and Hogan in the same ring????

Can you believe Jericho is still being Y2J a whole FIVE years after the whole Y2K bug thing?

I wish I saw more of the show than I did.


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#31 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.04
    Originally posted by dwaters
    Loved Christian calling Cena "Marky Mark".
    Can you believe Jericho is still being Y2J a whole FIVE years after the whole Y2K bug thing?

    I wish I saw more of the show than I did.

Didn't he call him that (or something similar) at the Rumble?
As for Y2J..who says it even stands for Y2K?
Jericho as cocky as he is, claims he is the highlight of the night every freakin night, etc etc etc, so this is his year. The year of Jericho.

More importantly, why is Benoit an eighteen year veteran for the 3rd running year now? :)

*sigh* Why bother?

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#32 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.28
    Originally posted by Kevintripod
    I'm a huuuuge Hogan mark, but I think the posing segment with Michaels went a bit too long.

Yes, seriously! I couldn't agree more. His song went on forever! I kept waiting for the announcers to say something like: "We'll be back with more Saturday Night's Main Event after this!" or "Let's take it back to Mean Gene Okerlund, who's standing by with Sensational Queen Sherri and the Macho King."

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#33 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.98
I only watched the first 45 minutes of the show. For every positive, there was a negative. I got sick of it and turned the show off. Maybe I need to take a break from Raw, 'cuz I certainly haven't been enjoying it lately.

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#34 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.85
What I liked best about the show last night was how behind Christian the crowd was. I always liked Christian, but I never expected him to get the following he's gotten lately. When he told Vince he was going to kick Marky Mark's ass, the crowd went nuts. And considering how over Cena is (and he is), that says a lot.

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#35 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.09
RAW started off strong last night. The crowd at the Garden never disappoints me. These are fans who give the WWE a proper gauge as to what the fans think, feel and want to see. I loved their energy and it was funny to see Coach and King try to downplay their taunts at Edge and Lita.

I didn't 'get' the Heart Throbs. I don't want to 'get' the Heart Throbs. I think the idea of lotharios in wrestling is sooo old. I was left wondering where do they find the women they allege to have been with. Chicks don't like men who do pelvic thrusts at them, unless they're strippers. They came off as really corny. But, as someone pointed out, thry could go the way of Jindrak and Cade, who disappeared after hanging out with Coach. AND Kudos to William Regal and Tajiri for carrying them to that match because you could see Regal pull the one guy down on top of him to make that first cover.

HBK vs. Mahammed was a good brawl, I guess. I think during the commercial break, Earl Hebner told them to do some wrestling because the first half of the match was just punching and kicking. Hogan coming out was a nice moment. The posedown took a little long, but the fans in the Garden loved it.

I got bored when Chris Masters started to talk...

Jericho's song was amusing...

If you didn't know it yet, Christian is one of the main reasons I watch RAW anymore. This guy is the whole f'in show. He's gold on the mic and in the ring. I laughed when Vince complained about people coming to the ring to talk and not say anything. HHH does that all the time... Tomko's expressions were great too.

I was left disappointed by RAW when Batista ran in for the last 4 minutes of the show. He's supposed to be 'The Man' since he wears the Title, but he's being made to look like 'The Man Just Keeping it Warm Until HHH Can Get It Back at SummerSlam'. That's about the longest I figure they'll let him keep it.

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#36 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.64
Some comments.

First, to those who think that Christian's comments mean he's being drafted to SmackDown! to feud with Cena, you're dreaming. Christian has always been seen as a comedy act by WWE, and there's nothing about his character recently that makes me think they're trying to change that. He's the guy who bites off more than he can chew, while his "problem solving" bodyguard sadly shakes his head and tries to get him out of the trouble he's gotten himself into. This to me is not "guy we're grooming to challenge the beloved champ."

Second, I agree wholeheartedly that Batista did not look good. The face champ runs to the ring, and all he can think of is to make JR cover Triple H? There was really no concern for this man who just got beaten to a bloody pulp, and that was strange to me.

And call me crazy, but was I the only one a little worried about the Trish/Viscera stuff? I'm surprised that no women on here are up in arms that they are teasing ANOTHER rape angle, only this time it's comedy.

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#37 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.95
Did they really show all of that Hogan Posing?? I assumed they were on commercial on TV. It was fun in person, though.

That main event was pretty bad. Nothing happened after the show, either, besides Batista hugging all of the ladies in the front row...
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#38 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.05
    Originally posted by Central Park Jobber
    Did they really show all of that Hogan Posing?? I assumed they were on commercial on TV.

Every last bloody second of it. I'm glad I was in my ECON class at the time because I was able to embrase the power of the FUHFUHWARD.

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#39 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.49
    Originally posted by Ticamo
    I didn't 'get' the Heart Throbs. I don't want to 'get' the Heart Throbs. I think the idea of lotharios in wrestling is sooo old. I was left wondering where do they find the women they allege to have been with. Chicks don't like men who do pelvic thrusts at them, unless they're strippers.

That's actually the back-story to the Heartbreakers (as they were called ... and probably still called ... in OVW). Promise Thomas and Romeo have a pimp, er, manager named Mo' Green (aka Morris the Butler) who "owns some fine strip, er, dancing clubs" in the Louisville area. So they are supposed to be strippers.

Both Promise and Romeo had several months of solo dark matches at OVW, but for some reason putting them together as the Heartbreakers/Heart Throbs has really gotten them over with the crowds. They were originally brought in as heels, but mysteriously became faces with the audience and now there are not only people dressing up like them at the shows, but also have home-made t-shirts for the duo as well.

I like the guys, I think they're developing very nicely. On the other hand, I'm not sure if they're really ready to be on RAW yet. The way the audience has been rabid for them over the past three months in OVW, however, is probably what turned WWE's head.

I do wish they had Mo' with them, though.

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#40 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.34
I saw ONLY the main event, and I thought it was done really well. I wasn't sure at the time if HHH did a second blade job on JR or if he just kind of messed with the original blade job to get it flowing. I thought Batista's run-in reminded me of a Stone Cold run-in, and I liked the fact that he put JR on HHH for the pin, seeing as HHH is now subject to "JR beat you"-taunts from now until whenever.

Three minor quibbles: (1) HHH, stop putting your hand up for the chair shot. Benoit would do no such thing. (2) The King (an actual wrestler) should have got a couple shots in on HHH, seeing as even JR (a non-wrestler) got ONE. (3) Coach sucked on commentary after the King left him. Big. Time.

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