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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.01
- The WWE should be ashamed of that Masterlock challenge. What do we get next week a posedown? A benchpress-off? An oil rubdown-athon.

- Shelton should have squashed Dean and gotten the crowd all hot and heavy with his high octane offense.

- At least Christian stayed in character and didn't get scared when he found out he has Batista next week.

- I can't believe that Jim Ross vs Helmsley was actually the Main Event. They didn't even bring up that Helmsley once broke Ross's arm. This needed a lot bigger pay-off than a late Batista run-in.

This was a horrible Raw.

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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.74
Benoit and Edge beat the shit out of each other for my pleasure, then provide sweet glimpses of Dean Malenko and Fit Finley. Very acceptable.
Was that a quadruple turn that occurred when MSG started the 'You Screwed Matt' chant? If that wasn't crazy enough, the Let's Go Mabel chant might have been the 7th sign.
Trip jobs to Jim Ross? God, we are really going to see a reign of terror once Trip gets #17 and doesn't have to drop and regain belts anymore.
Vince seemed to be moving well. Christian in a main event? Hey, he got the shot before Edge, so losing the MITB match was a benefit for Christian.
One time when Real American plays, Windham and Rotundo are going to come out and reclaim their music. Hogan looks more like Dusty Rhodes than Hogan these days in certain regions. Hassan is the weak member of his team.
Also, if they are trying to get Masters over as a guy who poses, maybe having him come out after a Hogan/Michaels pose-a-thon isn't the best idea.

(edited by redsoxnation on 18.4.05 2322)

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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.94
Good opening brawl- wished it would've gone longer, but I'm sure the JR/Triple H segment needs 20 minutes....Ah, got to LOVE the MSG crowd....Viscera? Come on, that's the best they could do?....Kane never felt pain that bad? Didn't he get burned alive?...."The Heartthrobs" and their attire screams WCW circa 2000....

Not the type of crowd to debut a tag team, much less a very plain one- and was it just me, or did Tajiri totally miss a spinwheel kick on one of the jabronies in the corner?....Michaels and Hogan was pretty exciting, but not as exciting as Michaels and Jannetty. The match with Hassan seemed pretty disjointed and just lacked something....

I don't know what's worse- A Chris Master match or a Masters segment trying to get over Warlord's finisher...In the midst of the Dean/Benjamin match, we had a fire drill that brought 4 fire trucks to our building. Came back to JR coming out to the ring....Coach was priceless doing this match....Does Trips REALLY need to get this kind of cheap heat? This ran on WAY too long....

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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.08
You hurt my friends, you hurt my pride
I gotta be a man, I can't let it slide

And it is those words that led the immortal Hulk Hogan to the ring to defend the honour of both Shawn Michaels, America, and freedom. This was a RAW to remember.

Not only did we see the return of the Hulkster, but the debut of the Heart Throbs. You thought the Butabi brothers were done after A Night at the Roxbury? You were wrong. Their slick dance moves and young heat confounded the champions to the point where an upset almost occurred.

If you want to talk surprises, here was the chairman, Vince McMahon, WALKING. And looking as good as ever. He out-charisma'd Christian in announcing the upcoming draft.

Other highlights: the crowd chanting "Let's go Mabel"; JR defeating HHH, yet not getting his music played; A new Fozzy song; and Big Vis getting his groove on with an obviously smitten women's champion.
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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.25
Line of The Night: "Viscera... THANK GOD!"

JR/Lawler vs. Regal/Storm still remains the best JR match of all time.

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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.86
The whole Trish/Vis angle was COMEDY GOLD! The crowd was so awesome during that segment. I love NYC.

I miss the GWF.

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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.93
Tonight was a great example of why Christian and Trish rule. Trish's look on her face when Viscera picked her up and carried her off was priceless.

CHristian was great in his segment with Vince. I loved the Raw Diva search line, and then when Vince told him he would fight Batista he did a great job of looking scared and then try to play off and act like he was cool with it. I would love to see Christian go to Smackdown and feud with Cena, I hope that is what happens, and this wasn't just a roundabout way of feeding Christian to Batista next week.

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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.38
Simply for the sake of not letting this go unmentioned...

Tyson Tomko is the greatest wrestler who shouldn't wrestle and just stand around and make facial expressions.

And Trish is the coolest cos she's strictly bidness.

Edit: And oh yeah, it was great how Batista's belt magically appeared at ringside.

(edited by Mr Shh on 19.4.05 0050)
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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.90
I briefly considered dropping the advisory to Low after watching the JR/HHH match play out exactly as it should have. (Other than maybe Batista doing the thumbs down and then demon bombing HHH on the chair to really drive the point home.) At this point, the Backlash finish is so obvious (Batista wins convincingly after kicking out of the Pedigree) a 5-year-old could book it.

If HHH's condition is as serious as Meltzer is saying, though, they seriously need to have HHH help Christian win next week and then build up a Batista/Christian match for Vengeance. It's new, fresh, interesting, and a true test to see if the Batista era has legs.

And let me just add: I love New York crowds. Those chants at Edge and Lita were things of beauty - I've pretty much forgiven them for booing Hassan at the debate back in January as a result...

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Batista & John Cena represent instant upgrades over their predecessors as world champions. However, there's still a general state of backlash around Cena and a specific state over the way he won (however misguided it may be), and the usual tag/cruiserweight complaints persist. The rematches should be interesting, however...
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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.00
I think Batista is being overexposed [/sarcasm].

This was a really good show I thought, but maybe I'm easily amused by the sublime and the ridiculous. That whole Trish-Lita-Viscera-Kane angle was so great. First off, we start with the greatest heel on Raw, Trish. The we have a rowdy New York crowd chanting "You screwed Matt" and "Let's go Mabel." Fantastic. "Strictly bidness"...oh boy, do I love her.

The Hearthrobs were amusing, I thought. I don't know if the gimmick has legs, but it was certainly different. And anything they do to add credible tag teams is fine by me. Plus we got to see great facials by the tag champs.

And speaking of facials, yes, Mr Shh, Tomko should just make facials. He and Christian are a really great comedy act, and I'd so like to see them go to Smackdown for Christian to kick Marky Mark's ass.

I'll admit it. I marked out for Hogan. Big time.

Was I the only one pissed by the stupid ending to that Benoit-Edge match?

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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.59
Agreed. This Raw was poor, but not necessarily for lack of effort by the performers, it just looked like bad writing to me.

Opening match - show started off good enough, crowd was into it.

Trish and Lita on the mic - Trish almost saved the bit as she pretended she was diverting the crowd chants of "Slut" toward Lita, but when they were followed by "You screwed Edge" and "we want Matt" her threat to just go away was really what the crowd wanted. Kane might actually get to win a feud if they're feeding Big Vis to him. Vis' facial expressions as he carried Trish away were Kamala-esque.

Tag match - how weak is the division when a new team's debut has to be against the tag champs - and they lose their debut.

HBK/Hogan vs. Hassan/Daivari - seemed underwhelming to me. Perhaps it was my own projection, but the crowd seemed tired of Hogan already.

Fozzy watching Shelton sell for Simon Dean - Meh. I get a strong vibe that Jericho gets cheered more than Shelton when they do hook up at Backlash.

Vince segment w/ Christian & Tomko was, well, nice to see Vince walking around again. Vince still trying in vain to get the phrase CLB over.

Main Event - I was hoping for the whole backroom to run in to save JR - if everyone supposedly hates HHH that much, then why not? I did not need to see JR's bare midsection before heading off to bed tonight - now I have to take another Zantac.

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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.01
It's a damn shame that JR had to waste that MAN-SIZED blade job on an angle advancement match.

And that's how you narrate a story.
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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.22
MSG made this New Yorker proud tonight.

Boy, did they hate Lita. Trish was a trooper and tried to act like she was getting that heat but the clearly audible "You Screwed Matt" chants were not for her.

"Let's Go Mabel!" - AWESOME.

One other thing: how do you end a Raw with aguably the most loyal audience in the WWE? With HHH beating JR up yet again. That went on sooooo long.

Also, Dave Batista is so pimp - he drives his own damn limo. :)


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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.99
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I was marking out with my mouth hanging open during the crowd chanting at Lita. I would have loved to been a fly on the wall in Matt Hardys house if he was watching that segment. I could see him pumping his fist while screaming at the tv: "Yeeeeeaaah !!!!'s it feel baby !!!!"

I couldn't tell if Lita was trying not to crack up laughing, or trying not to breakdown crying during the crowds taunting.

Heart Throbs....something about their look just doesn't match their name at all. When I hear Heart Throbs, I think of a couple of long haired, early 90's Shawn Michaels-like clones. Not a couple of Mafia looking leg breaker types dressed to look like Billy & Chuck.

I noticed that the camera cut away to the crowd when Vince got to the ring steps, then came back when he just entered the ring. Vince must have had a bit of a hard time with those steps for the amount of time the camera was cut away.

Christian was solid gold on the mic tonite. I loved the Cena/Marky Mark comment. Tomko did a great job with his facial expressions too. I liked how he would give a weak smile of approval to Christian whenever Christian was looking at him after the Batista/Christian match was announced....then as soon as Christian would turn away, he would give a look that plainly said: "Oh man, your gonna get killed."

I'm a huuuuge Hogan mark, but I think the posing segment with Michaels went a bit too long.

Jericho tonite unfortunately came off looking like a 10 year old. When he was singing that song, all I could think of was that South Park episode that takes place in Aspen, and the bully of the ski resort is playing the guitar and singing to Stan Marsh: "Staaaaaaaaan Darsh !!!!....Staaaaaaaan Darsh !!!"

Triple-H beatdown on J.R. went on waaaaaay too long.

(edited by Kevintripod on 18.4.05 2117)

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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.16
Three things;

What the hell was written on Jericho's palm? The words to the song?

That second slice on Ross' forehead was one of the most blatant blades I think I've ever seen. I like how guys that don't normally wrestle have weaker SKIN. It EXPLODES if it gets punched by HHH.

And Hogan swallowed Danny Devito. I'm convinced.

(edited by StevieRichards on 18.4.05 2120)
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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.00
Another Raw I found pretty entertaining. The Christian bit was by far the best bit of the night, and Christian, Tomko, and Vince were all great.

I wasn't sure who the crowd was for during the Trish/Lita promo, until the "You Screwed Matt" chants. And wow. Hearing Let's Go Mabel cracked me up. Speaking of Mabel, I think that's the first time I've heard him talk since he was doing the King Mabel gimmick. Surprise story line, but I think it might work.

Edge and Benoit, Hassan/Daivari and Hogan/HBK, and HHH and Batista all advanced pretty nicely, and Backlash is an event I'm gonna have to get.

Another Raw that I enjoyed...that and knowing the lottery hits in a month is good news too.

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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.99
    Originally posted by Texas Kelly
    At this point, the Backlash finish is so obvious (Batista wins convincingly after kicking out of the Pedigree)

    Triple-H letting someone beat him convincingly at a PPV ? Is that possible ?

      Originally posted by Texas Kelly
      If HHH's condition is as serious as Meltzer is saying, though, they seriously need to have HHH help Christian win next week and then build up a Batista/Christian match for Vengeance. It's new, fresh, interesting, and a true test to see if the Batista era has legs.

    Problem is, would people get excited over a match that no one would ever believe that Christian would have the slightest chance of winning ?

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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.05
Who are the Heart Throbs anyway? More OVW callups? I've never heard of them.

As for the rest, it can pretty much be summed up with: Who booked this crap? Once again, Batista doesn't show up until the very end -- long after the guy who he's supposed to be backing up has been pounded into hamburger. Jericho buries Shelton with a funny promo that doesn't do much to establish him as a heel, and Shelton's only response is to struggle to beat Simon Dean and then hold up his belt for two seconds before they cut to the Smackdown Rebound. And Hassan once again comes off as Mr. Unrealized Potential 2005; if Hogan and Michaels actually put him and Daivari over, it will be a such a miracle that they'll have to issue a supplement to the Bible.

I admit I kinda liked the Masterlock Challenge, blatant plant and all, but it's going to get old quickly. Like, say, one week.

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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.77
The first half of the show was really good, but there's a big dividing line on this show that comes after the Hogan segment where the show just drifts off.

I didn't even think of why Batista would be behind the wheel until AFTER Dave popped out of the car, because there would have been a MAJOR logic gap in "Why would the limo driver bring him back just in time to make a save when by all rights he should be somewhere in New Jersey?". I guess the implied FUBAR-ing of the limo driver was left for us to figure out for ourselves. But while they think they're protecting him from overexposure, he has to first be exposed to be overexposed, and showing up 5 minutes per show isn't going to do that.

I'm surprised they're waiting a month for the lottery, since that the next month is going to be the entire WWE running in place until they hit the big shiny reset button. It's almost as if the next 2-3 weeks is about to be written off, and the time not to do that is when you have not one, but TWO new champions who are both trying to find their new identities.

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#20 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.05
Did we fall into a portal and land in 1998-1999?

Too Much V2.0 (Heart Throbs), Mark Henry/Chyna V2.0 (Viscera/Trish), Announcers forced(?) to fight in the Main Event vs the #1 heel.

All we needed was Austin w/ a beer truck and the flashback would be complete

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What's weird is of that list, I probably could have guessed 3 of them if I sat down for a half hour to think (Diamond, Butterbean, Trishelle), and probably another 3 would have made me mad for not thinking of them (Bridges, Random Playboy, Stallone).
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