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#41 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.22
Great RAW. Damn, this show is getting pretty good again.

Is it me, or is Shawn acting more and more like ole' HBK every week. I mean - he even dug the "I'm the showstoppa'!" phrase out of the vault. What's more, he looks like he's getting pretty close to being back at his 1998 weight (which is a very good thing.) It's almost as if he never left. I hope Benoit retains on Sunday and the next RAW PPV is headlined by Benoit vs. HBK (although, I'm still kinda dissapointed that they didn't go that route for Backlash, it being in Edmonton and all would have made a temporary heel HBK quite effective, but whatever . . .







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#42 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.69
Time for my opinions...from, well, what considers to be my home arena in the Chicago area. If I was wrestling, I would be put in the main event for sure. We had to break from watching at 7:30 tonight because my dad wanted to watch the President talk. Guess I had to change the Tivo for American Idol tomorrow and Thursday, which means Smackdown would have to be on tape...again. This is in almost, but not in particular order.

1) Foley interview -> all I could say is, "Look out Randy Orton." The montage of the hardcore matches later in the program made me cringe a little. Barbed wire, tacks, those spike things. Japan is crazier than us.

2) Kane/GMS -> why did they bring him back. Squash match.

3) Tajiri/Ninja guy -> ho-hum. At first, I thought, KWANG!!!!!! Oh yeah, Al Snow gets a little work for once.

4) The Eugene promos -> I am laughing at it, but I am rolling my eyes at the same time. We even talked about how good Mr. Dinsmore was in Ohio Valley, which I have heard about so much in the wrestling news. When he wrestled in OVW, what kind of finishing moves did he have?

5) Highlight reel -> Of course, every time the WWE comes to Chicago and Jericho is there, they have to talk about his debut in the WWE. Nice to bring back the images from 1999-2000, somewhere about. Hey, there's Vince!!! Where has he been?

6) Lita/Trish -> OK match, but the beatdown was a little long, but not Mick Foley long.

7) Nitro/Edge interview -> Uh, next.

8) Sylvan/Hurricane -> see above.

9) Evolution vs "The Atlanta Crippler (hey, he's residing in Atlanta now)"/HBK/Benjamin/Foley -> This match kept the streak of great moments in Chicago. What a match. Great shot at the end with HBK on one side, Benoit on the other, and HHH right in the middle until the end. This should be the last picture taken for the PPV montage before the PPV begins.

Others: Great night. To kokolums2, great comment on Raw developing into WCW. All true. One thing is this, Daytona Beach may have started the trash throwing, but Chicago perfected it. Just about every WCW television event at the United Center had the crowd throwing things into the ring. I would have to rewind every time some item hits someone.

Now, I have to move Smackdown to a tape in the other room while American Idol is being Tivoed in the family room. I ended up watching it on a deal. I would have my dad watch 4 hours straight of wrestling, he would have me watch AI. I just wanted to see the auditions, but I stuck around till now. I'll be in for the long haul. I don't know who will win, but in my opinion, all 12 finalists should get considered for record deals.

That's all for now.
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#43 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.90
Yeah, Im new here so hello. But anyways...

I thought this was a pretty decent show. By far the best match was the 8 man tag, but I'd have to say the whole show kept me entertained

And, I am developing a crush on Trish Stratus



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#44 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.56
I am shocked, SHOCKED I tell you! It took 29 posts before somebody made the "they hire lawlers kid but cut Kanyon" speech!

Anyhow, what a hot show. How did Shelton Benjamin go from being "The black guy in that tag team" to a superstar? I wasnt sold on him at first when he came over, but he has converted me in a short amount of time. And, the beatdown on Flair? Classic shit! I LOVED IT!

Oh, and am I the only one that thinks they may pull a swerve and have Christian and Y2J both turn on Trish, and having the actual bet being that they could BOTH get in her pants? Probably, but somehow I just get a wierd vibe from that match.

Oh, and Eugene rules. My Girlfriend was saying how offensive it is to have a retard. I asked if it was less offensive to have men beat up women, and she said no. Either way, he is cracking me up. Hopefully they will go with the Incredible Hulk route with him and have him "just wrestle" until he gets super pissed, and them become a total maniac, and slaughter everybody near him.

For some reason, I was secretly hoping the Ninja was Jeff Hardy. Just so he could get a beatdown from Tajiri!





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#45 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.11
I'm also taking a liking to the Eugene character... I've always been a Steven Regal mark... so that's a plus. I love the old school Jacket as well... kinda reminds me of Jumpin' Jim Brunzel... with a little bit of Norman the Lunatic sprinkled on...

I dunno, but I really see Shelton Benjamin becoming the next Sting... I'm not quite sure why I feel that way, aside from a gut feeling... and perhaps some nostalgia... I guess Flair taking him under his wing for a match and his Stinger splash kinda add to that feeling.

Nice clips from Foley's old matches in Nihon... I need to catch up on some more recent Puro.
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#46 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.91
    Originally posted by Hoodle
    Is it me, or is Shawn acting more and more like ole' HBK every week. I mean - he even dug the "I'm the showstoppa'!" phrase out of the vault. What's more, he looks like he's getting pretty close to being back at his 1998 weight (which is a very good thing.) It's almost as if he never left.


And is this what has lead individuals in this thread to express their inner urge to commit heinous assault on the man's innocent facial regions? But jeez weren't people bitching about how they hated his no-nonsense FACE role(heh heh, face? stab? I kill me. KILL!)? Oh that's right, he's Michaels and a reason for wanting to hurt him(the person I assume?) hasn't actually been needed in forever. So go ahead, do it in the name of Canuckian wrestlers and fans everywhere...can I get my cookie now?
Anywho, Shawn's teased so many heel turns that its become nearly impossible to tell where they're going anymore. However, the upcoming, traditional "you screwed Bret, eh" situation could be some further motivation for an actual turn, so...I mean they might as well. Its not like the canuckians are aboot ready to accept him...HAH ABOOT CAUSE SEE THEIR ACCEN..THANK YOU I'LL BE HERE ALL NIGHT FOLKS.
..Actually I won't. It'd probably be better to spare you(besides, its technically AM here. I suck.)

(edited by darkmatcher on 14.4.04 0157)
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#47 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.05
    Originally posted by StaggerLee
    I am shocked, SHOCKED I tell you! It took 29 posts before somebody made the "they hire lawlers kid but cut Kanyon" speech!

Sorry I was a bit slow.



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#48 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.54
-Foley interview- HA Foley huntin' Randies... Okay I get it, Foley is nice will bring Cactus Jack. After seeing Foley for so long it's kind of hard to buy the split personality bit of kind gentle Foley warping into the maniac Cactus Jack, but it's a decent sell.

-Kane vs. GrandMasterSexy- Should a re-debut be met with me saying "huh why?". should the resign him just days before going back to Canadian border for the company, that's where it all went wrong for him the first time... Oh Kane wins in 2-minutes.

-Tajiri vs. Snow(in a mask)- If Shinobi(I mean snow, I mean mystery ninja wins) no PPV match of Coach vs. Tajiri... Well Tajiri wins with a great sell by Snow with a buzzsaw kick to the head.

-Highlight Reel- J.R reminds us that Y2J debut in Chicago in 99(back when he was still imaginative) Y2J's interviews are boring, repetitive rants now. Isn't there a grandfather clause of showing footage, it's been 3 damn years already! Is she ever going to live that down? Why do I have to keep being reminded of this horrible disturbing moment(oh & officially making me NOT buy this PPV). Yeah & people comment on here that it's not the year 2000 all over again. Should Y2J be talking about dogs. How was Lucy again Jericho? Most pathetic excuse of a World Champion eeeeeeever... Speaking of pathetic here's Lita but Trish saves us by attacking Lita beforehand, now those are punches Lita. Jerry Lawler YES LAWLER has had the best line of the year when he said "Watching Trish wrestle is better than hearing Lita and Jericho run their mouths". THANK YOU KING!! I'm also being a fan of Mrs. AWArulz!

-Lita vs. Trish- Love seeing Trish in the ring with anyone(even Stacy) but I have no desire to see Trish v. Lita. Lita is just horrible, she's a disgrace being even called a wrestler. How bad is Lita's punches when they have to cut away to Christian on the outside when she's sitting on Trish punching down. Trish carried this match the best she could, she sold & bumped like crazy, selling the hell out Lita's horrible punches, taking a fullspeed backbump on a clothesline, falling hard on the outside & even taking a unsafe dive from Lita. Lita gives a backsuplex on Trish & drops Trish on her shoulder/neck(Lita just doesn't care). Beautiful bicycle kick by Trish, Lita hardly sells it. I'm tired of saying how pathetic Lita is... Thank Gawd they got Lita out of the picture, that's one heck of a chick kick on Jericho's face by Trish, it looked really solid! But too much bad has happened with this angle so far to be saved.

-Nitro/Edge interview- Nitro the guy comes out to Nitro the music and now added bonus Nitro the Videotron. Edge comes out to "You think you know me" music, which just doesn't work anymore after E&C funny dorks dudes had tons of fun at that song expense taking away all the "eerie" feel of it... Nice spear by Edge and good bump/sell by Nitro.

-Hurricane vs. Greneir- I liked La Rez but they just aren't the same without Dupree, he was the most interesting of the bunch. And no Fifi doesn't help either, but they do have some awesome jackets... The reverse of the headscissors by Greneir dropping Hurricane hard on the ropes looked solid, too bad Greneir knee to the guys are mis-timed and poor. Eugene shows up with bunny in hand and Conway reaction was overacting goodness and tore the head right off of the bunny, which got sympathy from *this* crowd. Go figure.

-HBK/Foley/Benjamin/Benoit v. Evolution4- J.R says Benoit is proud of his Canadian roots, nothing says pride like changing your public statement of your hometown the night you win a major championship. Evolution comes out with new special golden sparkles. It's amazing how Flair seems to take more bumps then his teammates or maybe I just notice his more. Haha Benoit was all jacked confronting HHH face to face, a minor slip up to Pedigree attempt to a Sharpshooter... Benjamin and Flair had some intense exchanges. Major clothesline by Batista on Michaels. Very intense action throughout a very good 20-minute match. Match ends with Orton eating HBK's boot and getting pinned. Final scene is the guys in the World Title match giving eachother the evil eye, don't know why HBK is smirking at the camera.

-OtherStuff- Benjamin starts the show backstage with Bischoff being really angry & getting in Eric's face & stating he's the worst manager ever. His main event teammates calm him down... An unfunny and uninteresting skit backstage with Trish, Eugene and Chrsitian... More unfunny stuff backstage with Eugene and La Rez... Flair wearing a new Evolution shirt, certainly NOT buyable for me. Makes match with him and Benjamin, Benjamin sneaks attack him... J.R thinks Edge/Kane PPV match is a women match, I guess Edge's pink cast confused him... I did like the three participants interview hyping their match, surprisingly I thought Benoit delivered the best.

-Line of the Night: Lawler "Watching Trish in action is better than listening to Lita and Jericho run their mouths"
-Sign of the Night: "Randy fears Barbie"
-3Stars of the Night: 1)Michaels. 2)Flair. 3)Stratus

I didn't like this show. 3 in ring promos, Foley & Edge was decent, Jericho is just lazy. Every match except the main was average to poor. Lita wrestlers in slow motion & is horrible in there. Don't find Eugene funny at the least. I did like the main and the Trish kick on Jericho, except that nothing of note... Not getting the PPV, don't like the direction they are taking alot of things so I'm putting my money where my mouth and not getting it. Trish looks like she's on her way to disaster. Victoria isn't even featured as a champion & I don't want to ever see Lita wrestle on free TV let alone pay for it. Pay for Coach/Tajiri? Why? Same goes with Edge/Kane. Triple Threat had the homecoming story of Benoit, but the dropped that, now it's just a sequel of a match I saw a month ago. The only thing that catches my eye is Foley/ Orton, not enough to give them my money.





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#49 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.30
    Originally posted by Hoodle
    I hope Benoit retains on Sunday and the next RAW PPV is headlined by Benoit vs. HBK (although, I'm still kinda disappointed that they didn't go that route for Backlash, it being in Edmonton and all would have made a temporary heel HBK quite effective, but whatever . . .










I think that this is one of the reasons Trips is in the match. Vince really needs a HBK as a face at the moment so when the inevitable heel turn comes it doesn't seem like hes already being getting booed. Thinking about it, in the match , one on one vs Benoit in Edmonton anybody will be booed and that is a sound Vince definitely doesn't want to hear right now for HBK. Anyway I'm happy with a triple threat match one last time, coz after Hunter gets demolished and gets injured (for Hollywood), we will see plenty of HBK vs Benoit single matches.



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#50 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.17
    Originally posted by darkmatcher
      Originally posted by Hoodle
      Is it me, or is Shawn acting more and more like ole' HBK every week. I mean - he even dug the "I'm the showstoppa'!" phrase out of the vault. What's more, he looks like he's getting pretty close to being back at his 1998 weight (which is a very good thing.) It's almost as if he never left.


    And is this what has lead individuals in this thread to express their inner urge to commit heinous assault on the man's innocent facial regions? But jeez weren't people bitching about how they hated his no-nonsense FACE role(heh heh, face? stab? I kill me. KILL!)? Oh that's right, he's Michaels and a reason for wanting to hurt him(the person I assume?) hasn't actually been needed in forever. So go ahead, do it in the name of Canuckian wrestlers and fans everywhere...can I get my cookie now? . . .
    (edited by darkmatcher on 14.4.04 0157)


I can decipher 5000 year old Sumerian hieroglyphs, and I can't tell what you're trying to say.

For the record, HBK is my favorite of all time. Not sure how that affects your response or not.



(edited by Hoodle on 14.4.04 1228)
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#51 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.65
    Originally posted by StaggerLee
    My Girlfriend was saying how offensive it is to have a retard. I asked if it was less offensive to have men beat up women, and she said no.

Is that our only other option here?



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#52 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.82
"My Girlfriend was saying how offensive it is to have a retard. I asked if it was less offensive to have men beat up women, and she said no."

If she said yes were you going to beat her up? Or...? What's yo point Negro Casas. That wrestling does a lot of less than stellar things?
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#53 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.15
Did she really call him a "retard?"
darkmatcher
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#54 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.91
    Originally posted by Hoodle
    I can decipher 5000 year old Sumerian hieroglyphs, and I can't tell what you're trying to say.

    For the record, HBK is my favorite of all time. Not sure how that affects your response or not.


Sorry about that, I think I was drunk. No actually I was just aiming to lose ratings points. Let me see if I can help:

    Originally posted by darkmatcher
    And is this what has lead individuals in this thread to express their inner urge to commit heinous assault on the man's innocent facial regions?


Your original question "did Shawn seem to be acting like his old self..."? My reply, deciphered into more comprehensible english: "and was Shawn's alleged "old school" behavior the reason for Nuclear Winter's "why does Shawn Michaels make me want to stab him in the face?" comment? From his post on the first page.

    Originally posted by darkmatcher
    But jeez weren't people bitching about how they hated his no-nonsense FACE role(heh heh, face? stab? I kill me. KILL!)?


Basically my way of saying "are people ever pleased with Shawn's role"?", due to the many posts that have expressed people's displeasure with Shawn's current, more worn-down Christian role. Then Shawn's acts more like his old self, and posters express even more displeasure with him. The "kill stab" crap was a joking reference to Nuclear's above mentioned comment. It was intentionally foolish if anything.

    Originally posted by darkmatcher
    Oh that's right, he's Michaels and a reason for wanting to hurt him(the person I assume?) hasn't actually been needed in forever. So go ahead, do it in the name of Canuckian wrestlers and fans everywhere...can I get my cookie now? . . .


Metaphorical bitching about the IWC Shawn hatred...particularly about the ones who hate him for his alleged mistreatment of certain Canadian wrestling heroes. It was tongue-in-cheek though.

So fwiw, I had no problem with your post, and didn't assume you were bashing him. I was referencing the bash from earlier in the thread, then tiraded off into general Shawn bashing. Though it does rub me the wrong way at times, I threw in some bad jokes to show I wasn't serious. And because I get awkward at times.
It didn't quite 'get over' though, so I've learned from my mistake. Back to Velocity for me.

And to more coherently answer your actual post, Shawn did seem to show some of his old self, and with Backlash in anti-Shawn Canada on the way it would be an appropiate time for him to turn. But there are obviously no guarantees that he will.
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#55 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.56
    Originally posted by Hoodle
    Did she really call him a "retard?"



Yep, she did. BTW, I looked up RETARD and one of the definitions is this "A person considered to be foolish or socially inept."

So, technically, it is an accurate term.



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