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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.80
Man, that first segment did not click. We get a random RAW diva just because she was in a SB commercial. And I wasn't big on the banter between Y2J and Hassan, either....Decent 5 minute opening match though. Still tough to gauge how good (or bad) Hassan is....So what, Snitsky is the heel version of Kane?....The tag title match was okay, but now who does Regal and Tajiri defend against next week?....

I liked the Christian/Orton match, and especially the stiff kick by Tomko. Seems the big kicks were hitting their mark all around tonight (Regal, Tomko, Kane)....The Trish/Christy segment was interesting for one reason: it looked like Trish got her implants taken out....The Kane/Simon segment was nothing, and WWE has done a textbook job of burying Dean....

Interesting that Piper was the man named tonight for the H.O.F. That should be some acceptance speech....Was Trips wearing the Harley Race honorary mustache/beard combo tonight for a reason? I could almost see his double-chin....I expected the Main Event to be short due to it starting 5 minutes before the top of the hour, but man, they did a nice job of ignoring Edge at the end. He did get a lot of offense in, though.

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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.42
I was interested in the way Jericho just spoke tonight. It was very old school jericho, even in some of his offense with the "posing pin" manuever. I liked it.

No Chris Benoit? Fo shame...


Hats off to Orton and Christian. Excellent match. I admit, the final spot was beautifully done and the crowd was really into Orton tonight.



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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.00
    Originally posted by geemoney
    The Trish/Christy segment was interesting for one reason: it looked like Trish got her implants taken out....


Trish just wasn't wearing her pushup bra as she normally does whenever she's on TV, and as a result she looked a lot more normally proportioned.

Now, the question is, who was driving the limo? I don't think it was JBL, as this would be a setup by Triple H to try to get Batista to jump to Smackdown. Unlike the promos Trips is having aired, this seems like it'd be something that might actually work, so I'm guessing on Smackdown JBL will plead innocence and get Batista thinking.

But who's the driver? ;)
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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.55
    Originally posted by Chumpstain
    But who's the driver? ;)


Rikishi.


I know I saw the show, but I'm having a hard time remembering any of it.

Here's what I recall:

1) Hassan's Downward Spiral is much better than the camel clutch.

2) So far, the 2005 HOF is all bad guys.

3) Christian made that match work well. Orton is a punching machine since losing the title.

4) Regal's finisher is a running knee? A KNEE?

5) There's no reason for Simon Dean to have this much mic time and lose so consistently. Who does he think he is, Edge?




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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.05
So Shelton's gotten the "fighting champion" tag, which is WWE for "we don't want to be bothered coming up with a feud for you, just go beat jobbers." That said, if they finally do decide to give him a real challenger, I hope it's not Snitsky.

The Simon Dean segment actually bothered me a bit from a storyline perspective. He's supposed to be a sponsor of the show, right? If he's really so unwilling to wrestle Kane, why isn't he off threatening Eric to try to get out of it? I know, I know, WWE doesn't care, why should I ...



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    Originally posted by Shem the Penman
    The Simon Dean segment actually bothered me a bit from a storyline perspective. He's supposed to be a sponsor of the show, right? If he's really so unwilling to wrestle Kane, why isn't he off threatening Eric to try to get out of it? I know, I know, WWE doesn't care, why should I ...


Actually, this time, they do. A couple of months back Simon signed a wrestling contract with Raw as a way to better get out his message.



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Granted, I'm about three months behind on Smackdown, but shouldn't they be working just a LITTLE bit harder to give the impression that JBL just might NOT be the WWE Champion next week? Tonight's show sure seemed like a great way to sabotage the buyrate of No Way Out with something like ZERO mentions of The Big Show. Hell, they mentioned Kurt Angle more than Show, didn't they? shrug

On the plus side, they managed to book a Snitsky match that didn't end when Kane ran out...well....given their chosen ending of "Snitsky snaps, gets DQ, nothing is proven," I GUESS that's just on the "plus" side of the line, anyway.

(edited by CRZ on 14.2.05 2309)


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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.21
    Originally posted by CRZ
    Granted, I'm about three months behind on Smackdown, but shouldn't they be working just a LITTLE bit harder to give the impression that JBL just might NOT be the WWE Champion next week? Tonight's show sure seemed like a great way to sabotage the buyrate of No Way Out with something like ZERO mentions of The Big Show. Hell, they mentioned Kurt Angle more than Show, didn't they? shrug

    On the plus side, they managed to book a

    (edited by CRZ on 14.2.05 2309)


That's the problem with having a PPV that doesn't have a main event featuring one giant tag match of some sort or someone fighting for the rights of #1 contender in between the Rumble and Mania.

I have a feeling the Raw title is going to look a whole lot better than the Smackdown title when this whole angle plays out. I would have never thought that the WWE would let the big gold belt get the better spot on their biggest show over their very own title two years running.







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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.52
The stuff with Batista was outstanding, and nice to see Chris Benoit get a well-deserved week off-- though I missed having him on the show, of course.

I must have laughed seven or eight times during the "Basic Instinct" spoof. Who knew that Stacey Kiebler could do something that doesn't suck?

Man, they need to put all these commercials on the WrestleMania 21 DVD. Make it so!



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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.66
    Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco
      Originally posted by CRZ
      Granted, I'm about three months behind on Smackdown, but shouldn't they be working just a LITTLE bit harder to give the impression that JBL just might NOT be the WWE Champion next week? Tonight's show sure seemed like a great way to sabotage the buyrate of No Way Out with something like ZERO mentions of The Big Show. Hell, they mentioned Kurt Angle more than Show, didn't they? shrug

      On the plus side, they managed to book a

      (edited by CRZ on 14.2.05 2309)


    That's the problem with having a PPV that doesn't have a main event featuring one giant tag match of some sort or someone fighting for the rights of #1 contender in between the Rumble and Mania.

    I have a feeling the Raw title is going to look a whole lot better than the Smackdown title when this whole angle plays out. I would have never thought that the WWE would let the big gold belt get the better spot on their biggest show over their very own title two years running.






Since last year the WWE has been pretty damn consistent with having the World Title overshadow the WWE Title.
-#1: Chris Benoit, having won the Royal Rumble, chooses to go after the World Title instead of the WWE Title, even though he has a good reason (Brock Lesnar ducking him & Paul Heyman forbidding any more title shots for him) to face the WWE Champion.
-#2: On co-branded pay-per-views, the World Title match has been the final match. WrestleMania had HBK/HHH/Benoit after Angle/Guerrero. SummerSlam had Benoit/Orton after JBL/Undertaker, Survivor Series had the RAW 8-man (which was, for all intents & purposes, a #1 contender's match) after JBL/Booker T, and the Royal Rumble had Orton/HHH after JBL/Show/Angle.
-#3: Compare the branded PPV title matches:
RAW: Benoit/HBK/HHH [Backlash], Benoit/Kane [Bad Blood], Benoit/HHH [Vengeance], HHH/Orton [Unforgiven], HHH/HBK [Taboo] & HHH/Benoit/Jericho/Edge/Batista/Orton [New Year's]
SD: Guerrero/Lesnar [No Way Out], Guerrero/JBL [JD & GAB], JBL/Taker [No Mercy], JBL/Guerrero/Booker/Taker [Armageddon]
RAW has a definate edge on variety & quality of contenders & champions. Backlash had a good promotion strategy ("The Final Encounter") and New Year's Revolution had the Elimination Chamber. In my eyes, none of the Smackdown matches (with the exception of Guerrero/Lesnar at No Way Out and Guerrero/Angle at WrestleMania) have had a "Big Match Feel".



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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.10
    Originally posted by geemoney
    Was Trips wearing the Harley Race honorary mustache/beard combo tonight for a reason?



I thought he was trying to pay tribute to his buddy Lemi from Motorhead. He looked more like Colonel DeBeers to me though.



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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.25
Thanks for a great season, Pick of the Week fans...see you next year at Planet Magic in Denmark, WI!

My God, Trish looked beyond hot last night. As somebody on this very board once said, when they're not pushed up all the way to her chin, she looks SO much more normal and not a cartoon...and very, very excellent.

And props for the night's verbal sparrings go to Y2J: not just for the "C'MON BABY!" pin attempt, for which I marked out for, but for his citings of the major media outlets that picked up on Whatshername Diva's Super Bowl ad controversy:

"...LA Times, New York Times, Sheboygan Free Press..."

Awesome (and confirming the Sesame Street theory: Television + somebody saying "Sheboygan" = Hilarity.)



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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.60
Man, that Christian vs. Orton match was just awesome. By the end, the crowd was actually cheering for both guys, and they were living and dying on the nearfalls. A match like that just makes everyone involved look better.
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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.05
I don't like the finish to the Orton/Christian match. Neither guy has anything lined up right now, so why not extend the feud? They've been playing the "Orton gets knocked loopy" card the last few weeks, so why not have the Tomko boot continue that theme? Christian gets a bit of a rub, Orton has an excuse for losing, and both guys have something on their plate. Maybe play it out to WM? As it is now, both guys are left directionless, and Christian's position as a jobber gets solidified. Good match & all, but I just think Christian should have gotten the win.

Jericho's springboard shoulder block was pretty sweet. He should work that into his regular moveset. Good match w/ Hassan, mostly because Jericho was in control for the majority of the match.

This Chris Masters dude - I'm not looking forward this guy debuting. He just screams "generic muscle dude."



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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.12

I liked the moustache/beard thingy by Trips ... wish I could grow one of those ...

I understand building Hassan, but I hate that Jericho had to do the dirty work.

I'm really liking this whole Batista/Triple H/JBL build.

Is it me or did Rob Conway look bigger?

Christian continues to show that he can work with anybody. I just hope he gets a 'Mania slot.
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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.00
HHH's new facial hair style might be to cover up the fact his face is beginning to look like it's made out of leather, and to balance out the way his hair gets girlier every week.


    But who's the driver?
    ...
    Rikishi.

That's exactly what i thought. I didn't like the way HHH was made out to be the big caring hero so much. Although he was doing some textbook talking and talking and talking while they were walking down the corridor, his softly spoken "got your back", along with the dive into the conveniently placed pile of cardboard boxes & soft packaging, gets a bit of pathos going, and makes it difficult to imagine Batista getting legitimately pissed off with him for being selfish etc. I guess i'm just getting to excited about the prospect of a Batista Bomb on HHH sometime soon.


    Regal's finisher is a running knee? A KNEE?
Yeh, that was quite poor (but no more pathetic that the WWE Champion's finisher being a clothesline, even if it is FROM HELL) Tajiri's final kick at the end of that match was awesome.



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    Regal's finisher is a running knee? A KNEE?


Although to be fair, Rob Conway sold it beautifully. Even if that's a finisher that parties like it's 1979.





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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.99
Enjoyable RAW all around for me. One question though, in the HOF segment, when showing the Iron Shiek in teh ring, with his flag, saluting, he is wearing a belt, but it isnt one of the WWF belts from the era. Any clue as to which belt it was? Looked like the OLD (real old) National or US title from NWA days.

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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.92
"2) So far, the 2005 HOF is all bad guys."

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#20 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.24
    Originally posted by shinstrife
    No Chris Benoit? Fo shame...


Benoit wrestled on International Heat. (Since in the U.S., it'll be build-up to No Way Out)




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