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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.00
Pretty solid show all around, it's too bad that the WWE doesn't try this hard on every show. It seems like they really turn up the quality the week before each 'special event' and mostly let it coast until the next time one rolls around.

We started with Stephanie telling Vickie Guerrero that she'll be facing her in a 'You're Fired' match, and Vickie actually makes me like her for the first time by invoking her dead husband and vowing to 'lie, cheat and steal' her way to victory. She probably would've been more likeable if they hadn't had her turn the shrill up to 11 with her 'exCUSE me!' catchphrase.

The Usos took on Harper and Rowan in back-to-back singles matches, losing to Harper and earning a victory over Rowan. Harper continues to be extremely impressive, and I kinda hope they end up taking the titles at MitB. Afterwards, Bray Wyatt cuts his usual rambling, disjointed promo; with most wrestlers, this would be a bad thing, but Wyatt's good enough at the crazy act that it works. On a side note, Harper and Rowan have their own theme music now, an instrumental version of 'Whole World in his Hands.'

Rusev and Lana tour the nation's capital and make fun of America. That's kinda what they do. Lana is still stupid hot, even if her Russian accent is faked.

Speaking of hot, Paige comes down to do commentary on the next match, and I love her accent even more than Lana's fake Russian one. It's Alicia Fox versus Naomi of the Funkadactyls, and Cameron unfortunately joins the commentary team as well. Cameron ended up talking over all four of them, which made Paige being out there kinda pointless since she could barely get a word in edgewise. Pretty decent match between the two Divas, as far as these things go, and Paige played up Naomi as a legitimate threat. Naomi wins with a sick looking reverse DDT and will go on to challenge Paige for the Diva's title.

Shaemus is taping up his wrists when Roman Reigns randomly wanders into his dressing room, and they have a boasting contest. Pretty solid mic work from both guys, and Shaemus has apparently been watching the show, as he reminds Reigns that it wasn't too long ago that he and his buddies were doing 3-on-1 attacks on Shaemus and everyone else they felt like.

Titus O'Neil jobs to Bo Dallas, because that's kinda what people do. I really haven't seen anything out of Dallas that impresses me, but maybe he'll show something if he ever gets a longer match. So far the best match I've seen him in is against Santino, which is saying something.

HHH hits the ring, and oddly gets a rather warm reception. Apparently DC hasn't been watching the show for the past year or so. He's only out to announce the participants for the second MitB ladder match, tho, and not beat up Daniel Bryan or the Shield. Seth Rollins will be joined by Kofi, Jack Swagger, Ziggler (with an amusing nod to the accusations of burying), RVD, and Barrett. HHH figures Rollins is the odds-on favorite, and invites Rollins out to tell us why. After he talks for awhile RVD's music hits and he gives one of his laid-back stoner promos. I was amused by Seth saying that he'd really be scared to step in the ring with RVD ... if it was 2005. To which RVD replied that 9 years ago Rollins was a snot-nosed kid asking his parents to let him stay up late and watch RAW. They decide to have a match, so they do!

The match goes on for awhile, pretty decent match that ends with Ambrose running in after a Curb Stomp on RVD. Ambrose grabs a mike and demands to be entered into the MitB match, vowing to do a run in if he's denied; after the commercial break, Rollins talks HHH into entering Ambrose so Rollins can keep an eye on him.

Barrett and Ziggler have quite a good, brawl-tastic Intercontinental match, that ends with Ziggler eating the Bullhammer after several false finishes. Bad News for Ziggler; Barrett retains.

Next up is McMahon vs Guerrero; Vickie comes out to Eddie's old music, which is a nice tribute. Stephanie comes out and tells Vickie they won't be wrestling in the ring; there's a pool of apparently foul-smelling mud over to one side, and the first person to get dunked in the sludge loses. Then Steph summons Alicia Fox, Layla, and Rosa Mendes to get Vickie. She manages to dodge them in the ring, but they pincer her with Stephanie and drag her over to the pit. Vickie manages to escape and throws the Divas in one after another. Stephanie kicks her in while she's doing the "YES!" chant, and Vickie gets fired. After the 'match', Vickie gets pissed and throws Stephanie in as well.

We get an interview from Byron with Goldust and Stardust. Goldust seems ecstatic to be the normal one in a tag team for once. Then startles the interviewer by swooping back in to snap his teeth at the guy.

Jack Swagger wrestled Kofi Kingston in another preview match for the 'traditional' MitB ladder match. Kofi showed off some interesting moves but was kinda sloppy against Swagger. Swagger wins, but gets a busted nose for his effort.

Cesaro was entertaining in his promo, telling Del Rio that he only speaks 5 languages and none of them are 'loser'. These two will be tagging along with Bray Wyatt and Orton against Shaemus, Reigns and Cena, in a rematch from Smackdown!

Damien Sandow continues his 'jobbed so much I went crazy' gimmick, and this time he's dressed up as Abe Lincoln. Big E is not amused and squashes him. Remember when Sandow was Mr Money in the Bank? The writers don't, either. After the match, Rusev comes out and dominates Big E, slapping the Accolade on him.

All seven entrants for our main event get their entrance music, including Wyatt's 'lights out' intro. Then they get into the ring and have a decent enough match with an awesome finish that's all over the place and features a dozen or so finishers all going off one after another. Shaemus hits the Brogue Kick on Cesaro after a nice uppercut toss on Cena, and since they're the legal men, the faces win. Afterwards, Kane chokeslams everyone and HHH comes out to announce that Kane will be the 8th man in the ladder match for the Unified Titles. Reigns rains on their parade by spearing Kane out of nowhere. The old Shield theme plays us out for the evening.

WWE can definitely put on a good show when they try; it's too bad that all too often, they don't bother trying.
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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.58
I happened to be watching with someone who doesn't watch when the Vickie/Steph thing happened. "Why do you watch this crap?' was never uttered, but you could tell it was there.

At least Steph was willing to look bad here.
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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.24
Solid show tonight. Since it's summer, the girls and I watched most of the show live.

LOVED Harper's starting dropkick, that looked vicious. So much fun to watch him in singles matches. Not so much of a fan of the theme music, but I get it.

Bo Dallas is so much fun. "You fell off your horse on Smackdown. That didn't stop you! You got back on... and fell off again." The match itself was okay, but the ending felt kind of rushed. They made up for it with Titus slapping the mic out of his hands, and Bo's reaction, "Silly me, Mr. Butterfingers!" 9 and Bo indeed!

Hearing Eddie's theme really got me. Outstanding job by Stephanie on the whole segment; she pulled off the slow realization bit SO WELL.

We finally found one thing that RVD can do really well: sell the hell out of a curb stomp. Wow.




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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.34
There were reports a few months ago that Vickie would be possibly retiring and I'm thinking last night was a big send-off from probably one of the most over non-competitors on the roster. If that was her exit it was a strong one. She gets over as a face for her last night, comes out to her former husbands music, out muscles three Divas, and dumps Steph Macmahon in "stuff" (which Steph played up in a most excellent way). Thank you Vickie. Eddie would be crazy proud of you.





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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.66
Bo Dallas has a ton of potential. Raw Bo needs a little more NXT Bo sprinkled in.

I'd like to see him get a submission finisher and try to talk the guy out of giving up while it's applied. "You're not a quitter little buddy, hang in there, don't give up. All you have to do is bo-leive."
Maybe a version of the Texas cloverleaf (The Bo-Leaf.)

Swagger won?

Stephanie sure knows her job. Sure the segment was contrived to the gills, she didn't have to go in the sludge for the segment to work. She went in and made sure she was covered from head to toe with the goo. Won't say I'll miss Vickie, but a nice retirement send off.
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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.21
    Originally posted by Blind_Guardian
    HHH hits the ring, and oddly gets a rather warm reception. Apparently DC hasn't been watching the show for the past year or so.


I wonder if HHH is starting to get some of that NXT Love filtering back to the main shows.
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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.75
    Originally posted by Vaderblade

    I'd like to see him get a submission finisher and try to talk the guy out of giving up while it's applied. "You're not a quitter little buddy, hang in there, don't give up. All you have to do is bo-leive."
    Maybe a version of the Texas cloverleaf (The Bo-Leaf.)





This is really a tremendous idea. So many different possibilities exist with this.

Speaking of submission holds Rusev needs something more impactful like a Jackhammer or Razors Edge.

Is there anybody that gets more into a character than Cody Rhodes? Whether he is shaving his legs, growing a mustache or wearing a mask he is all in. Stardust lights up my life.



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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.31
Kane? Again? I know why the WWE feels the need to shove Steph and HHH down our throats every week, because they help write this stupid show. Ambrose came out looking beastly. I will say I don't I understand why Ambrose had to tell HHH is plan to ruin MitB. Why not just ruin MitB. To be fair that is far and away the most interesting ending.



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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.94
    Originally posted by dwaters
    I happened to be watching with someone who doesn't watch when the Vickie/Steph thing happened. "Why do you watch this crap?' was never uttered, but you could tell it was there.



The Lovely Mrs. Tracker said "oh come ON" when the pool was revealed. Then came the heaviest of disappointed sighs. We turned the channel. She was into the Vickie's angle until that moment. She was rooting for her hard.



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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.89
    Originally posted by lotjx
    Kane? Again? I know why the WWE feels the need to shove Steph and HHH down our throats every week, because they help write this stupid show. Ambrose came out looking beastly. I will say I don't I understand why Ambrose had to tell HHH is plan to ruin MitB. Why not just ruin MitB. To be fair that is far and away the most interesting ending.


Simple -- because he wanted in the match and would ruin it only if he wasn't put in the match in order to make sure Rollins didn't win.
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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.75
    Originally posted by lotjx
    Kane? Again?


They weren't real clear on why they were adding Kane at the last minute, certainly not to pop buys.

I hope Kane's only job is to protect Randy Orton and get him up the ladder. It would be great if he shadows Orton everywhere causing weird alliances.

I'm okay if Kane's job is to stop Roman Reigns climbing the ladder.

If Kane is just in there acting like everyone else trying to win the title, then yeah this kind of stinks.
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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.95
Someone else said it in the MITB prediction thread, but that's a sensible theory about Kane being added: If Bryan's able to return soon, then they'll hotshot it through Kane winning the title and Bryan regaining at Battleground so they can still do Bryan-Lesnar at 'Slam.

I'm not the best at predictions, but I heard rumblings that Naomi may go heel as well...and her switching to a ground-based finisher may be a hint in that direction.



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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.00
    Originally posted by PowerPB13
    Someone else said it in the MITB prediction thread, but that's a sensible theory about Kane being added: If Bryan's able to return soon, then they'll hotshot it through Kane winning the title and Bryan regaining at Battleground so they can still do Bryan-Lesnar at 'Slam.



Yeah, that's my theory as well. Especially with Bryan returning for the pregame show, I have a feeling Daniel will have some big news about his upcoming return and demand a title shot with whoever ends up winning. He might not even need to demand it all that hard, with the 'automatic rematch' clauses that so many champions seem to have.

If that happens, Kane makes the most sense because that can blow off their feud and get the title back on Bryan without snuffing someone's first title reign (which would be the case if they gave it to Wyatt, Reigns or Cesaro). That way the fans get Bryan back as champion and WWE gets their big Lesnar vs Bryan payoff at Summerslam to encourage people to renew their Network subscriptions.

(edited by Blind_Guardian on 24.6.14 0937)
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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.41
Things can change, but the usual sources were saying Bryan's out until at least SummerSlam and possibly longer.

The current road map is
* ???? wins title at MITB
* ???? has title defense at Battleground (Demon Kane?)
* Brock Lesnar defeats ???? at SummerSlam
* Brock Lesnar has Big Title Match at Night of Champions (first PPV after subscriptions end) - possibly Brock vs Bryan now.
* Reigns wins at WrestleMania? Maybe?

???? has been hinted at being Cena, though they're also hinting they might talk themselves into blowing it all up and going with Reigns right now, or using a third person in the transition champ spot instead of putting the belt on Cena. WON doesn't like giving away direct spoilers for the next PPV, though they're totally okay with giving away the couple after, which is glorious nonsense.

All that said - you may get Bryan winning the title back, but you're going to have wait a while. I'm hoping the preshow announcement is great health news but it doesn't now make sense to hurry the title back on him - the priorities are SummerSlam and Night of Champions. That plan might not happen, but those shows are the ones they're planning around. Battleground is just a show they have to get through, it doesn't make sense to to waste the Bryan return/win on it.

(I only posted here to point out how I correctly predicted Dolph being in a ladder match while getting every single detail wrong. Which will probably happen with this post too.)

(edited by thecubsfan on 24.6.14 1023)


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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 10.00
I think I watched a different show than you guys. The first hour was just awful, draggy garbage, including the first segment which was just a setup for toilet humor between two non-competitors. The IC Title match was outstanding and Dean Ambrose is money, but the rest of this deserved to be skipped.



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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.25
Dean Ambrose continues to be a highlight of the show every week.

Goldust/Stardust is awesome. Awesome enough to put the belts on the Rowan and Harper? Maybe...

EVERYBODY does cool moves now. Seriously, say what you will about anybody in the WWE Main Event scene, but they all do some sweet moves.





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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.04
I really enjoyed Vickie's one night turn. Her babyface fire and the crowd rallying behind it was wonderful. Ignoring the Barry and Levon $240 dollars worth of pudding aspect, it was a pretty moving sendoff. Can't believe it was nine years of Vickie. And Stephanie completed the metamorphosis into 100% Vince DNA with that cartoon humiliation -- the final stage of her journey.

It's funny that the Shield split was supposed to clear Reigns' path to the top and give Rollins steam as a top heel and yet Ambrose is the one who's shined the most by far.

It was odd to see the Kofi-Swagger match fall apart considering how many times they must have wrestled each other over the last five years.

Bo's butterfingers were the greatest but I am unnerved by them bo-oking him against heels on two straight shows.

Ziggler vs. Barrett was top notch, the first time Dolph's been given time and a reason to bother in a good while.

STARDUST.

(edited by JustinShapiro on 24.6.14 1412)
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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.66
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro

    It's funny that the Shield split was supposed to clear Reigns' path to the top and give Rollins steam as a top heel and yet Ambrose is the one who's shined the most by far.

    (edited by JustinShapiro on 24.6.14 1412)



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I knew it, I knew he would. He didn't really have a choice because I was going to show up in Boston anyway. I already kind of made that clear. I would just go ahead and walk up that ladder after pummeling Seth Rollins half to death, grab that briefcase, take it to downtown Boston, sell it at a pawn shop if they didn't go ahead and just put me in that match. So that's what's best for business. Smart decision by Triple H        - Dean Ambrose

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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.00
    Originally posted by Vaderblade
      Originally posted by JustinShapiro

      It's funny that the Shield split was supposed to clear Reigns' path to the top and give Rollins steam as a top heel and yet Ambrose is the one who's shined the most by far.

      (edited by JustinShapiro on 24.6.14 1412)



    http://youtu.be/​3n47fv1wAqw

    I knew it, I knew he would. He didn't really have a choice because I was going to show up in Boston anyway. I already kind of made that clear. I would just go ahead and walk up that ladder after pummeling Seth Rollins half to death, grab that briefcase, take it to downtown Boston, sell it at a pawn shop if they didn't go ahead and just put me in that match. So that's what's best for business. Smart decision by Triple H        - Dean Ambrose




That was freaking awesome! Ambrose really is the biggest standout of the former Shield. Reigns is awesome, Rollins is an entertaining heel, but Ambrose brings that crazy energy that just keeps me riveted. They need to give Ambrose more mic time. Have him cut promos in the back, bring him out as a guest commentator for Rollins' matches, whatever it takes to get a mic in front of this delightfully insane man.
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#20 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.86
When Stephanie came out to start the show again, I couldn't help but think, "so...when is Vince supposed to come back?" I'm thinking they've probably shelved that idea despite the predictions for it for weeks last year.

Rusev's on-site promo reminded me of Ludvig Borga. Of course, especially in 2014, Russians make for better heels than Finns ever did.

I couldn't imagine whose bright idea it was to put the 21-year old Paige right next to Jerry Lawler at the announce desk, but when Cameron showed up, I guess it meant someone had to sit there.

I don't get Naomi's finisher that she's been using lately. It is one of the least athletic finishes on the roster, and she's probably the most athletic Diva they have. There's got to be something better for her.

Bo Dallas was awesome. As for Kofi Kingston, here's a guy who hasn't won a meaningful match in years, just lost in two minutes on Smackdown, and yet was placed in the MITB Ladder Match. This is your mid-card, people. I don't dislike Kofi, but the booking of the mid-card really stands out as crappy when they have to put together a second-tier match like this. Dolph Ziggler at least had a solid showing against Bad News Barrett.


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