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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.38
I can't wait for Batista to come back so he can quit again. Just when you think he is horrible, he pulls out these Academy Award winning performances. Queen wave, indeed. Genius.





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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.91
With no other appreciable stables after fighting the Wyatts and Evolution, what was left for The Shield to do? 3MB? No. Now we have a new story in the main event to distract from Bryan's absence and Cena's lack of direction. This was necessary, and the promos should be good, and we know the ringwork will be. Win-win.



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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.88
    Originally posted by whatever
    If nothing else, we can start the countdown to their reformation in 10 years.


With short hair & more tattoos ...

As much as I loved the Shield, now may have been the right time to pull the trigger on the split. They had a good 18 month run with the same lineup. By today's standards, I think that's pretty remarkable. Plus if anyone was going to turn heel from the group, I would've banked on Ambrose. That's what made the Rollins turn was rather shocking & well done.

With that being said, I'm really going to miss Michael Cole repeatedly saying that Rollins was "the architect of the Shield".
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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.66
Even though I hated it as it happened, the Shield breakup makes more sense in hindsight. After Payback, there's nowhere for that group to go - they've conquered essentially all there is to conquer as a group, and I prefer this sudden turn to a slow boil. The choice of Rollins is heartening, because it means that he's not the forgotten third of the Shield in the minds of Creative/HHH as I have been fearing. I think Ambrose with his natural chaotic heel tendencies and Reigns with his look will have an easier time gaining ground as singles acts, so it makes sense to give Seth the extra impetus.

During that meandering and long-winded Cena/Steph promo, there was this gem (a little bit of paraphrasing):
Cena: I have had four surgeries that have kept me out of action. Your husband, the Game, the showcase of what a WWE superstar should be, has had surgeries that have taken him out of action. You (*quick glance at Steph's chest*) have had surgeries.
Stephanie: That put me IN action, but that's another story.
Cena: Well, we'll lock that in a chest somewhere, don't worry about it.

I LOLed hard at that. But the rest of it was dogshit.
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#25 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.12
    Originally posted by Mayhem
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      If nothing else, we can start the countdown to their reformation in 10 years.


    With short hair & more tattoos ...


Dean will be bald by then.


I feel bad for Batista. The fans didn't boo him because he was Batista, it was because he wasn't Daniel Bryan. It wasn't his fault the WWe tried to push him over the most over wrestler in the last, what, 10 years? If they just made the Bryan-HHH match with the stipulation the RAW after Elimination Chamber, the fans would of eased up on Big Dave.
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#26 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.56
The idea that Rollins would have been lost without getting hitched to HHH and Orton is what bugs me and seems to highlight the problem with the company's creative direction. There's a pretty strong argument that Seth Rollins has been the best in-ring performer in the entire company for more than the last year (I'll stand by that, it's either Rollins or Bryan). If you can't find a way to harness the fact that you have this wildly talented guy who basically turned the #1 heel group of the last five years into the #1 face group of the last five years just by jumping at things besides doing The Shocking Swerve, what are you doing?

They ignored the fact that Bryan's work made him the most popular guy in the company as long as humanly possible (and then kept on ignoring it beyond the limits of human capability for another month or two). They either don't seem to realize what was getting Cesaro over or realized what it was and decided the best way to harness that momentum was an elaborate plan that involves doing everything possible to neutralize (Swiss!) that reaction. The response to the Wyatts gaining traction with the fans has been...interesting as well.

Whether they're doing it consciously or not, their thought process seems to be "take these surprisingly over guys, put them with the main eventers to bolster them" when the actual outcome has been "take these surprisingly guys, siphon their heat onto guys we actually like instead."

I'm not, like, going doomsday on the company* the day after they put on PPV littered with shockingly great performances, but their weekly program post-Wrestlemania has been almost completely awful with the one bright spot of knowing The Shield would do something awesome every single week, and to have them kick out that last remaining support beam leg in service of extending a feud for Evolution?

They have not fully earned my trust, is all I'm saying. I get the argument that there's nothing left for the Shield to do, but my counterargument is that it's the job of a lot of paid employees to have been setting up things for the Shield to do in the last few months when it was clear that those three dudes destroying everything in the coolest way possible was basically the one consistently good thing they were doing. I would have much rather seen a different, more interesting direction like having them pair off against talented opponents as affiliated guys with personal agendas, only to have one seemingly lag behind the others before doing the heel turn, at least to carry the company through Summerslam while Bryan is hurt, Cesaro is doing whatever that is that Cesaro is doing and Bray Wyatt's soul is trapped in hell. At the very least, put on a better weekly show taking advantage of your many talented employees. Soon.



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#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.34
    Originally posted by Dr Unlikely
    I'm not, like, going doomsday on the company* the day after they put on PPV littered with shockingly great performances, but their weekly program post-Wrestlemania has been almost completely awful with the one bright spot of knowing The Shield would do something awesome every single week, and to have them kick out that last remaining support beam leg in service of extending a feud for Evolution?


I don't think Seth's been turned heel for Evolution's benefit. I mean, I get that a cynical eye may perceive such machinations, but after watching HHH and company pinball around for these three guys and give them everything for two months straight, it seems pretty obvious that this is about moving the Shield from hot group to hot singles.

I also think you're shortchanging Ambrose and Reigns by suggesting that Rollins and his flashiness was the driving force behind their face turn. That was a total team effort.
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#28 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.10
I know nobody can say no to Stephanie but they've GOT to gently suggest to her that her ad-libs suck and sometimes it's OK to shut up and let the crowd do their thing. It's almost as if organic reaction scares her so she goes out of her way to shut it down. You could even see Cena trying to whoa her up a couple times. The sad part is there are about a dozen people I would LOVE to see ad-lib, but for whatever reason they're...strongly discouraged from doing so.

I figured Cena was out to be the first guy to sign up for the Money in the Bank match, only to quickly rescind his offer because something else immediately came up. Now that he hasn't, I feel like the MitB match just doesn't have the prestige of the Andre the Giant battle royal!

Man, didn't it rule when Batista did that wave? Let's make sure and insert a reply of it into every segment until you hate life.

Creative's inclusion of Ed Snowden in their evil Russians angle is bad for America and they probably should have just leave it out, but now that they've gone to that well a second time....I almost wonder what agenda they think they're advancing with that. For an "oh, by the way" attempt at cheap heat, you'd think they could find something better. (and/or include Aksana)

Strange that they'll still use Twitter's wordmark (which they discarded almost exactly two years ago) while not caring that calling a finishing move the "Bodog" might recall some unsavory companies of the past. By the way, when JBL is making Bo Jackson references, Lawler shouldn't be making Bo Derek references - it's so confusing!

Why didn't Sandow shoot? Shoot the basketball into the scoring hole, I mean. It's obvious he'll never drop that pipe bomb he all but promised. Might as well turn him into Crazy Al Snow.



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#29 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.61
First...

:(

I'll miss the full Shield terribly. I don't want a replacement third guy. Have Cena be the not-third Shield guy-third Shield guy for a couple months...I don't care. Jimmy Garvin was never a Freebird, and Unnamed Talent X will never be in the Shield.

    Originally posted by Dr Unlikely
    They ignored the fact that Bryan's work made him the most popular guy in the company as long as humanly possible (and then kept on ignoring it beyond the limits of human capability for another month or two). They either don't seem to realize what was getting Cesaro over or realized what it was and decided the best way to harness that momentum was an elaborate plan that involves doing everything possible to neutralize (Swiss!) that reaction. The response to the Wyatts gaining traction with the fans has been...interesting as well.

    Whether they're doing it consciously or not, their thought process seems to be "take these surprisingly over guys, put them with the main eventers to bolster them" when the actual outcome has been "take these surprisingly guys, siphon their heat onto guys we actually like instead.


I think WWE has a surplus talent problem, which is crazy but awesome. They are REALLY paying the price for devaluing the IC and US titles right now. They've broken up so many tag teams that Rybaxel are probably the #1 contenders to the tag titles. The #1 angle in the company is NOT revolving around John Cena OR the WWE World Heavyweight title, yet many guys appear to be rudderless and treading water. And this is after losing two top guys in Batista and Punk.

And here's the problem. They have SIX hours of TV to fill every week (if you include Main Event, right?) It might be more. I know WWE rightfully loves their department that makes recap packages, but those REALLY need to be cut down. You missed the show that progressed this angle? Here's a 20-second clip. Otherwise, too bad. Find the clip on the network.

More wrestling/useful promos, less recaps. That's what I want.



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#30 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.94
    Originally posted by CRZ
    Creative's inclusion of Ed Snowden in their evil Russians angle is bad for America and they probably should have just leave it out, but now that they've gone to that well a second time....I almost wonder what agenda they think they're advancing with that. For an "oh, by the way" attempt at cheap heat, you'd think they could find something better. (and/or include Aksana)


Bring back Nick Dinsmore as Rusev's bullying victim, Eukraine.



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#31 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.25
Was it just me or did JBL say "WWF" at one point then sound VERY subdued the entire rest of the show?



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#32 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.90
    Originally posted by whatever
    I am putting on my optimistic hat here. The more I think about this, the more I see that there really isn't much more the Shield could do or prove together at this point without it becoming stale. We got spoiled with the Shield running roughshod over everyone and everything for longer than I thought we would. Now we get to be spoiled with Bryan vs Rollins, Roman vs HHH, and hey, here's a great thought for a future feud - Bray vs Dean. The upper midcard just got a lot more crowded.


Yes, the good news is once Rollins vs. The Shield feud is over we'll have the former Shield members in three different segments. The WWE may not be doing a great job of booking the mid to upper card but some guys (Cesaro, Sheamus, Barrett, Rhodes, Ziggler) are doing their best to put on entertaining television and I'm sure the three members of the Shield will continue to do so also.

I just hope with this new format where every "PPV" doesn't have to have epic matches means we get a slow build for Triple H vs. Reigns and Rollins vs. Ambrose for SummerSlam. They can easily prolong the singles matches with a few tag matches or a multi-person match like the MitB. Those two matches plus a Bryan title match (if he's back) is probably the best they can do as far as trying to keep Network subscribers.



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#33 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.40
    Originally posted by Quezzy

    - For some reason there was a ceremony for Rusev



The man was honored by his country in a respectful patriotic moment and seemed legitimately touched by the moment. It was an uplifting moment to raise our spirits right before Seth Rollins crushed them.

also someone needs to take wikipedia away from JBL


    And as Justin said, Del Rio beat Ziggler in the first MitB qualifying match. Fuck that.


Dolph would've made for a better match, but a) they've had people who've been eliminated find their way back into this match (and may need to again if the Shield/Rollins/Orton are all in a tag match instead of this) and b) WWE's been very clear that neither guy matters and won't be winning this. I stand by my claim that none of this matters

At some point, because enough people will be hurt, or run off with the Hockey Fever, maaaaaaaaaaaybe they'll give Dolph a chance. But the easiest way to be disappointed right now is to expect any positive momentum with Mr. Ziggler. Lucy's not even putting the football down anymore, stop trying to kick it Charlie Brown.

(aside: F4W said there are seven spots in the MITB, which seems like a random number that won't turn out to be the final number at all, but let's roll with it and assume Bryan is good to go and the Shield vs Orton/Rollins is happening elsewhere: ADR, Cesaro, Sheamus, Rob Van Dam, Wyatt, Kofi and - Rusev? Throws people in, destroys ladders, maybe doesn't win but does stuff with higher level guys?)



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#34 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.14
I just liked that Bradshaw conveniently forgot all the times he was paired with Austin.

If they are moving away from 3 man stables, who is the one left out in 3MB?

Is there any way Rollins and Goldust can end up as partners?

If Cody is wearing a suit and not wrestling, can I get his coat from the PPV?




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#35 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.35
We now have three Shield reunions to look forward to. The eventual Triple Threat Main Event match for the World Title(s?) in a year or two that will be a five star match. The official reformation of The Shield when an even greater younger version of themselves starts terrorizing the company ten years from, and them doing the triple fist pose after they are inducted into the WWE HOF in 2040.

That's gonna be weird, some of us are gonna see that last reunion though.

(edited by CruelAngel777 on 3.6.14 1221)


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#36 Posted on | Instant Rating: 10.00
    Originally posted by Parts Unknown
    I used to be one of the guys who believed there was some magical "long game" behind the scenes each time WWE made an absolutely retarded decision like Batista winning the Rumble.

    Used to be.

    You guys know damn good and well - or you should by now - that WWE utterly fails at the long game. This is not leading to Bryan getting a big WM moment. Take that to the bank.



I said ^ that back in January. They have proven me totally, completely wrong. This is a great angle with Rollins. So many cool ways this can go and probably the most shocked I've been by a turn since Hogan.
They are indeed playing the long game, now with the Shield after having played the long game with Bryan. Is it the writers? HHH? Whoever, they're doing a good job.

(edited by Parts Unknown on 3.6.14 1448)


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#37 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.54
Nous ne nous pouvons pas sortir.
Finally Rollins gets his revenge for being eliminated from the Rumble just for trying to get everyone to just be cool.



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#38 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.31
    Originally posted by Parts Unknown
      Originally posted by Parts Unknown
      I used to be one of the guys who believed there was some magical "long game" behind the scenes each time WWE made an absolutely retarded decision like Batista winning the Rumble.

      Used to be.

      You guys know damn good and well - or you should by now - that WWE utterly fails at the long game. This is not leading to Bryan getting a big WM moment. Take that to the bank.



    I said ^ that back in January. They have proven me totally, completely wrong. This is a great angle with Rollins. So many cool ways this can go and probably the most shocked I've been by a turn since Hogan.
    They are indeed playing the long game, now with the Shield after having played the long game with Bryan. Is it the writers? HHH? Whoever, they're doing a good job.

    (edited by Parts Unknown on 3.6.14 1448)


Well...for that long game to happen Punk had to quit. Even Bryan in the Jericho podcast seemed pretty damn sure he wasn't going to main event Mania. Why get married a few weeks later? I would not hold out too much hope for Rollins other than some good matches against his former friends and that is about it. Maybe if we are lucky Orton will quit and then Rollins gets the title match at Mania.



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#39 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.89
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#40 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.75
    Originally posted by thecubsfan


    (aside: F4W said there are seven spots in the MITB, which seems like a random number that won't turn out to be the final number at all, but let's roll with it and assume Bryan is good to go and the Shield vs Orton/Rollins is happening elsewhere: ADR, Cesaro, Sheamus, Rob Van Dam, Wyatt, Kofi and - Rusev? Throws people in, destroys ladders, maybe doesn't win but does stuff with higher level guys?)


I am totally biased because this guy is my favorite thing in wrestling right now and he doesn't make sense storyline wise, but I want to watch Luke Harper do battle in the Money in the Bank match.
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