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Mr Shh
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Since: 9.1.02
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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.38
'Tis the season for teasin'...HBK wrestling again. I can listen to Shawn and Punk battle on the mic all night, even when Shawn forgets his lines.

Randy Orton was A+ tonight, especially that promo with Renee Young. I reluctantly approve of the DQ finish in that superb match with Bryan. No outside screwjob, just Orton being a desperate heel. Looks like we're heading towards a Orton/Bryan/Cena triple threat, which is fine by me, but I wasn't expecting them to stick with Orton as champ for long.

That stupid poll was missing Langston - he deserves coal in his stocking for depriving us of a Cesaro giant swing on Mark Henry.




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Since: 12.12.01
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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.97
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    Orton/Bryan would at least directly pay off a storyline that hasn't had a payoff. And I will say, none of their matches got to have a real finish where they traded nearfalls and built to a climax, because all three of them were worked to a finish and then abruptly handed the match over to the screwy storyline ending.


Oh yeah that's the stuff. Right up until the last second.

I could go for a Bryan/Cena/Orton triple threat as the Rumble title match, even if it doesn't seem like there's time left in the Mania calendar for Bryan to fit a reign in. Better than either one-on-one, and a payoff of the last four months of feuds. It would really clear the deck for possible Rumble winners though. Good luck putting together the WM puzzle for a Rumble winner while also accounting for maybe just maybe this Yes Men vs. DX-Men tag for reals? (Imagine people's resigned sigh at the big Sheamus return twopeat.) I'm not even going to try.

Wait, I thought Vince was back. I think he locked himself in the jet until the first Raw after football.

I really hope Nikki getting kicked in the goddamn face is on Total Divas. At least she'd get something out of it. Like a talking head with a pixellated face. That seemed like it sucked, man. She was like "guys, I got kicked right in the face and it hurts quite a lot. jesus."

I think, uh, there are too many tag teams now. You overdid it, pal. It's like everyone is pairing up for prom. Sadly it doesn't seem like I'll be getting my evil dancing Natural Disasters team. The 'dactyls are pretty evil though. Naomi: "Oh no Tensai, my friend for the last 12 months, are you okay?" Cameron: "Girl let's shake it." Naomi: "Great idea."

Ricardo Rodriguez for new Sakamoto.

Actually, a "Brodus Clay is a cruel bulldozer of suffering, shyeaeeeeeeeea" hype vignette probably aired two years ago this week.

WWE is apparently cognizant of the black Santa Claus controversy. dramatic light change added a real air of gravitas to the battle for Santa's soul. It's more timely than the selfie at least. Man you guys are so hip to the pop cultch news cycle. The most hilarious moments are the ones that sound ordered at gunpoint, the same snipers in place in every arena who force them to guffaw on cue. Au courant!
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Since: 26.3.03
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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.86
"Randy Orton hasn't beaten Daniel Bryan fair and square since Summerslam." -Michael Cole

Uh...

That Randy Orton promo was sheer insanity. I couldn't tell if he just downed 10 bottles of 5 Hour Energy, or he was thinking "If I talk REALLYREALLYREALLYFAST I won't forget my lines."



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Since: 12.1.02
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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.22
I suppose we weren't supposed to notice that Cena originally challenged (Bryan) for a shot at the title.

I wonder how long we stick with the champion carrying both belts, and how long they call it the "WWE World Heavyweight Championship" before reverting to "WWE Championship".

A triple-threat at the Rumble would seem to end any chance of Bryan winning the Royal Rumble Match itself. But it ain't been announced yet.



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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.83
I am fine with a DQ finish, but I hate the low blow DQ.
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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.03
I am actually genuinely surprised there was no swerve tonight, looks like Randy really is making it all the way to Wrestlemania with the titles.

Also, I get that Cena is pals with Bryan, but they really need to dial it down onscreen a bit, because it's starting to look like Bryan can't do it on his own and is relying on good guy Cena to get those big shots in the ME rather than be the plucky underdog we know he can be.

There is such a thing as being *too* nice, to the point where it starts to look disingenuous and self serving. Turn the dial down WWE, we know they're best buds in real life.

(To the point where I was half expecting Cena to come out in the main event and screw Bryan in a 'do you think you're better than me?' type swerve)
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Since: 8.5.03
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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.85
I wonder if Paul Heyman is working with Randy on his renewed character because this is the best Orton we've seen in a long time. Did I miss it or was there no headlock last night? He worked instead on the arm.

Punk was charmingly off-balance when the crowd jumped the gun during his promo with Shawn.

I would almost believe they had replaced Goldust when they got a new Sin Cara. Dustin is doing moves I've never seen from him before.

The commentary team is atrocious, yelling over each other and filling any millisecond of silence with a redundant comment, especially JBL. They clobbered the main event.



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Hokienautic
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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.84
    Originally posted by steven87gill
    (To the point where I was half expecting Cena to come out in the main event and screw Bryan in a 'do you think you're better than me?' type swerve)


I'm still half-expecting something to happen between the two, perhaps to fill the lull between Rumble and Mania.
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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.49
Is anyone else concerned about the health of the Bella Twins after that match? Looked like Brie hit her head hard and Nikki took that shot to the face.
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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.68
Given my eternal hatred of the Bella Twins, that superkick was a thing of beauty. I could watch that over and over again.

Was I the only one hoping Damien Sandow would get to yell "Silence!" at the damn kid?

Main event was pretty awesome, and I'm totally ok with the ending. I was under the impression that the finish would somehow come from the earlier assurance that the Authority gave Orton that they had his back. Triple H was oddly subdued this week.

Let the Punk/Shawn promo wars commence! Much as I would love to see the eventual Punk/Shawn or DX v IndiPowers matches, I'd want Shawn to be The One Who Stays Retired.

For all the talk of Orton improving, he still remains largely heatless for someone who's been in the position he's had for as long as he's had it. Seems to me he gets cheered against only by proxy.
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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.84
    Originally posted by used2bcool
    Was I the only one hoping Damien Sandow would get to yell "Silence!" at the damn kid?


Now that you mention it, I wonder if they'll work a back-and-forth with Achmed the Dead Terrorist next week? Achmed is one of Jeff Dunham's puppets, with a catchphrase of "Silence! I keel you!!"
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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.85
    Originally posted by Hokienautic
    Now that you mention it, I wonder if they'll work a back-and-forth with Achmed the Dead Terrorist next week? Achmed is one of Jeff Dunham's puppets, with a catchphrase of "Silence! I keel you!!"


I was wondering if Mark Henry as Santa was planned before the Megyn Kelly comments. Even if it's complete coincidence, it's nice timing for free publicity. And why isn't Langston opposing Sandow Claus?



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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.38
    Originally posted by Hokienautic
      Originally posted by steven87gill
      (To the point where I was half expecting Cena to come out in the main event and screw Bryan in a 'do you think you're better than me?' type swerve)


    I'm still half-expecting something to happen between the two, perhaps to fill the lull between Rumble and Mania.

My theory is that Cena *was* going to attack Bryan last night, but Orton got to Cena before it could happen.

    Originally posted by used2bcool
    For all the talk of Orton improving, he still remains largely heatless for someone who's been in the position he's had for as long as he's had it. Seems to me he gets cheered against only by proxy.

Orton's matches against Cena and Bryan perhaps demonstrate the theory of wrestling heat relativity: Cena is a black hole, sucking in heat from his opponent and preventing it from escaping, while Bryan is the white hole, emitting heat for everyone to share. The Cena black hole and the Bryan white hole are, of course, connected to each other by...



The Bella worm hole




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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.61
Their long-term booking is really, really muddy right now. I genuinely don't know what their plans for Mania are. In the short-term, though, I can't complain about that main event. That's an early Christmas present right there.
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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.79
Welp... it was nice knowing ya Tamina (I personally enjoyed you kicking that one Bella in the face). The TD can't get more than three members in the audience to chant for Brie who was in the match the longest, and as soon as Aj steps in the ring the crowd wakes up. Yeah the WWE surely picked The Bellas as the Diva's of the Year.

I'm starting to really get into the cowardly viper Randy Orton, who's so paranoid about not being protected by the higher-ups he lashes out randomly at any and everyone. When their are no more legends to kill, and you become a legend yourself only the inevitable awaits.

That match was awesome. Orton couldn't beat Bryan who seemed to be regenerating like Wolverine so he bitched out and nut punched his American Dragons. The story continues of Desperation versus Relentlessness.

Fucking JBL sucks as a commentator.

(edited by CruelAngel777 on 17.12.13 1238)


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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.45
Lately, it's not looking like there's any other way to end WrestleMania than with Daniel Bryan as WWE World Heavyweight Champion.

I think we're looking at an Orton/Cena rematch for the Rumble that ends inconclusively and Bryan winning the Rumble. Elimination Chamber has Orton retaining after a heated match and Cena gets screwed somehow, keeping him in the mix.

Then, I could see them doing Orton/Bryan/Cena as the title match there, since Cena still has yet to have any sort of trajectory towards an opponent yet. That way, you can fulfill the Cena/Bryan teased rematch, it's a fresher matchup than Bryan/Orton MCMXLVII, and now that Cena's already in the mix and has claim to the title, he can add starpower that both Bryan and Orton lack to make the match more high profile.

This Cena/Orton feud is already giving me flashbacks of how HBK and HHH were feuding around WrestleMania 20, with seemingly no end in sight, they decided to continue the feud into a triple threat match with Benoit. Maybe this feud pays homage to that.


So for WrestleMania, we could be looking at:
Undertaker vs Lesnar
Orton/Bryan/Cena Triple Threat match for the WWE Title
HHH vs CM Punk (HBK guest ref?)
Roman Reigns vs Ambrose and/or Seth Rollins
Cody Rhodes vs Goldust
And then some other stuff

Personally, though, I still really want CM Punk to be the dark horse anti-Authority figure who jumps in and beats Orton for the belt and his friend. He's been kept out of the title scene while Bryan's been drenched in it for the most part since SummerSlam.

But Bryan's been screwed so many times that you almost have to pay that off, so Punk probably takes out the head of the snake while Bryan takes the belt from the guy who worships the snake.

Maybe Punk and Cena can switch places in my hypothetical WM30 card.

(edited by SKLOKAZOID on 17.12.13 1251)
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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.89
No, I like that card. I especially like your WM20 analogy, with Bryan making Cena tap after taking out Orton. Watch friggin' roof explode! Also, the next night on Raw, when HHH comes out to take the belt off of Bryan ala "best for business", he'd better not leave the stage cuz the crowd would riot, taking down every barricade and going batshit nuts until HHH says, "OK, OK, you can have your B+ Champion~!"

Playing that scene over in my mind, it would be kinda cool to see JBL and Cole crowd surfing.
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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.55
    Originally posted by Tenken347
    Their long-term booking is really, really muddy right now. I genuinely don't know what their plans for Mania are.


That's been the trouble with using part-time returnees as a crutch for Mania. It's becoming clearer that next year's going to get built on the novelty of Undertaker's Streak, Lesnar's first of three yearly appearances, and HBK's one-time-only comeback. While the focus is on how they're going to use these guys, the rest of the card is languishing, as a result.

    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    I could go for a Bryan/Cena/Orton triple threat as the Rumble title match, even if it doesn't seem like there's time left in the Mania calendar for Bryan to fit a reign in. Better than either one-on-one, and a payoff of the last four months of feuds. It would really clear the deck for possible Rumble winners though.

That last part would be my only real problem with a three-way, just because the field of Rumble winners hasn't been this open in a long time. (And how sad is it when the "wide open field" consists of three guys?) I'd have to think we wind up with Orton/Cena again, just because there are no other viable challengers, other than Bryan.

It's kind of sad when the only other mildly interesting part of this product for me right now is Brodus Clay's heel turn, but only because I legitimately have no idea what they're going to do with him.




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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.96
I'm pretty sure the WWE wants to avoid any flashbacks to WM20...





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Austin: "AHAHAHAHAHAHA. Yeah... oh man that was too much."
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#20 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.86
    Originally posted by CruelAngel777
    Fucking JBL sucks as a commentator.

Amen. I can't take another "Mahkkel!" (Though, for some reason I enjoy The JBL & Cole Show.) There just isn't enough material for a three-man booth. I'd be fine with Cole and Lawler on Raw and Josh Matthews and JBL on Smackdown.



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