Originally posted by steven87gillSee, I thought that Cena promising Daniel Bryan a rematch was the perfect motivation for HHH to back neither man on Sunday & take matters into his own hands.
Cena Heel Turn? Nah, ain't happening at TLC. If it was going to happen (which it probably isn't) I'd more likely place a bet on WMXXX against Taker.
After losing the undisputed title to Bryan in the previous match, a desperate HHH comes out and pulls the ultimate sanction & aligns with Cena, ending the streak.
There's your pussy corporate heel. It gives them time between now and WM to build HHH up to be a *proper* asshole, allowing the turn to have more meaning, as at the moment HHH just doesn't feel like a real bad guy yet, to the point where Cena aligning with them would feel more like an authority face turn than anything else.
Cena could turn heel turn now, but he'd presumably have to drop the title to DB in only 3 months or so.
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Here is the thing about a year or more of heel champion Cena, we will get sick by the 3 month mark, because we are the internet. Fans will get sick of it after the 2nd month. If Cena turns heel loses at Mania, he makes Bryan, the greatest star of all time. 3 months of Cena heel champ promos is fine by me since well its not exactly any different then what we have.
Ending the Streak like that would lead to a riot. Dallas is getting 32, I say it will go on at least that long. Whenever Taker comes back and the Authority is beating someone down in the ring, its going to get the biggest pop of the year.
The logic Cena applied to Bryan, that he wasn't born into a WWE Hall of Fame family and "liked" by the right people -- which tacitly makes him better or more deserving than Orton because he worked from nothing to get where he is in WWE -- is the same logic AJ used on Smackdown comparing herself to Nattie. Nattie was also born into a WWE Hall of Fame family and is in WWE despite glaring deficiencies. AJ by her own words was born "in poverty" and worked her way to be Divas Champion. The difference, of course, is Nattie isn't all that "liked" judging from the lack of opportunities she gets, Divas Title match at TLC excepted.
Good thing Tamina was distracted with a match when she said that.
Austin didn't walk into WrestleMania the champ, Undertaker certainly didn't walk in with the streak, Hogan didn't walk in already having slammed and beaten Andre, Michaels didn't walk in having won an Iron Man match.
As to who is walking out of New Orleans with the expectation of running the ball there's legitimately question (ignoring Daniel Bryan).
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Originally posted by Spiraling_ShapeADR also supposedly was concussed in that Sin Cara II match last night...
Clumsiness is proof that Hunico really IS becoming Sin Cara.
I figure they should turn it into an angle. Have him trip over the ropes when entering the ring and again when he's leaving. He runs to the back and falls again. "WHAT'S HAPPENING TO ME?!" he shouts. He walks up to a mirror. Sees himself in the mask. He points at himself.
Eventually Mistico comes back - except now he's unmasked and known as Cara. Without his mask, he is the most agile and graceful man to ever live. It turns out WWE found the Sin Cara mask in ancient ruins. It's cursed!
I hope at least one person posting in this thread about the final segment gives us the lowdown on tonight's "director's cut" version on Main Event* so we can learn how we were REALLY meant to understand what was going on. Without going out too far on a limb, I expect several things will be emphasized while several OTHER things will be de-emphasized!
Originally posted by Amos CochranSo if we take the ME segment as a tacit admission that yes, Punk Vs. HHH and Bryan Vs. HBK are set for WrestleMania, then where does that leave the title? Cena holding it? Facing who?
Originally posted by ObserverThe John Cena TMZ interview where he said Hulk Hogan was too old to wrestle is said to have been something of significance and not an off the cuff remark. Cena isn’t going to insult Hulk Hogan publicly with a remark like that unless it’s to tease something for business. If Hogan is to be in WrestleMania the scenarios that seemed to make the most sense were a singles match with Cena if there was a way he could get through it, and that is a very big if. People who have been around Hogan tell me there’s no way he should and if that’s the case, I kind of hope he doesn’t, but that doesn’t mean he won’t try.
What's funny is neither Cena/Hogan nor Punk/HHH nor Bryan/Shawn nor Lesnar/Undertaker need to be nor probably should be a world title match. But do you really want Orton vs. Sheamus for the champion of championship 5th from the top? Punk challenging is the only one who would take the Rumble winner route, although I guess you could have Lesnar win and challenge the streak.
I hate the idea of someone using the Rumble to challenge for The Streak, especially right after you've played the Unification card to establish the title as the most important thing in the business.
I'd rather see Brock get the belt by the Rumble, HHH push the eject button on Orton because he can't beat Brock, bring in the now clean-shaven Sheamus as his new ringer and try to stack both the Rumble and Elimination Chamber to get Sheamus the win. Meanwhile, Bryan wins the Rumble, retains his spot in the Chamber against all odds (Bryan vs. Shield vs. Sheamus vs. Orton) and has to save the belt from being held hostage by Brock/Heyman, while Orton goes insane and takes on Corporate Sheamus at Wrestlemania.
(Punk still takes on HHH for the soul of the company, Cena is out of the title picture and takes on Undertaker, Shield blows up at Elimination Chamber and does the three-way match, Hogan hosts, has a weird staredown with special guest Stone Cold and then does a live episode of the Steve Austin Show throughout the card when they bond over Superstar Billy Graham impressions.)
Originally posted by CRZI hope at least one person posting in this thread about the final segment gives us the lowdown on tonight's "director's cut" version on Main Event* so we can learn how we were REALLY meant to understand what was going on. Without going out too far on a limb, I expect several things will be emphasized while several OTHER things will be de-emphasized!
They showed the last couple of minutes starting with the belts being raised and both guys looking up at them. The whole recap took about 90 seconds. A person *could* say they edited everything before that out because Daniel Bryan stole the moment, OR a person could say "who watches 'Main Event' that didn't see Raw already?" They *did* show Bryan's sweet running knee on HBK from a great angle, though.
Holy fuck shit motherfucker shit. Read comics. Fuck shit shit fuck shit I sold out when I did my job. Fuck fuck fuck shit fuck. Sorry had to do it....
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Originally posted by JustinShapiroWhat's funny is neither Cena/Hogan nor Punk/HHH nor Bryan/Shawn nor Lesnar/Undertaker need to be nor probably should be a world title match. But do you really want Orton vs. Sheamus for the champion of championship 5th from the top? Punk challenging is the only one who would take the Rumble winner route, although I guess you could have Lesnar win and challenge the streak.
Thinking a lot about WM booking today, and about how WWE really doesn't have as many reasonable title challengers once they only have one title.
The best story WWE could tell with the WWE title is Orton winning the unified titles, Orton beating Punk at Rumble, Daniel Bryan winning the title shot the Authority won't give him by winning the Rumble (the classic modern Rumble storyline!), and Bryan defeating Orton at WrestleMania. It's WMXX again, with a hopefully more happily ever after.
Except, the best story WWE could tell with Daniel Bryan might just be Daniel Bryan defeating Mr. WrestleMania Shawn Michaels at WM, which was also foreshadowed on Monday.
And I don't know how reconcile these two stories together. Or who would challenge for the title at WM without a repeat. So Cena.
It's either - Orton/Bryan + Cena/Hogan vs whatever (or Cena/Undertaker) - Orton/Cena (w/Hogan to counter Authority) + Bryan/HBK I'm not sure which one is better. Both are really interesting for Bryan.
Vince McMahon was listed 386 in Forbes 400 Richest Men in the United States. He went from 260 in 2000, to 365 in 2001, to 386 this year. My guess is next year he is off the list. He is in no way poor but the decline is obvious.