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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.33
    Originally posted by Big Bad

      My one quibble is that "Unified Championship" is a terrible name. In 10 years, no one's going to really remember what was unified to make it called that. They really should have gone with "Undisputed."


    Jericho was the first undisputed champion, but Cena/Orton will be the first UNIFIED champion. Totally different, you see.


Since Jericho titled his second memoir Undisputed, it's only fair Cena and Orton will have to wrestle another match down the line over who will get to title his memoir Unified.
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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.84
    Originally posted by CRZ
    Please stop encouraging lotjx to post.


Are you talking to a poster or to the WWE?
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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.00
    Originally posted by SKLOKAZOID

    Since WWE is really big on the whole branding thing, I don't think "Unified Champion" is what they'll wind up going with. At the very least, we wind up with "Unified WWE Champion" or somesuch name that acknowledges what titles it's unified to represent.

    But yeah, they clearly split the votes with two "Undisputed" options. They could have at least had Unified, Undisputed, and had the third one be "WWE Champion of the Universe" since they like that "U" word so damn much.


If I remember correctly, Jericho was originally the "Undisputed Champion" but by the time Brock Lesnar had the belt the following year, he was the "Undisputed WWE Champion". When Eric Bischoff handed the Big Gold Belt to HHH, the Brock instantly became "WWE Champion"



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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.00
I think I laughed for about thirty seconds out of sheer disbelief when Goldust did that flying rana move. Ridiculous what he's been pulling out in this current run.

Pretty sure there are people who will cheer A.J. no matter what. I am probably one of them.

Given the airplay given to Titus' recent stomach maladies, I'm fairly certain Droz would have become a main-eventer if he hadn't gotten hurt.

Not the most majestic La Majistral in the world but it got the job done.



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#25 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.22
So lemme get this straight.

The Wyatt Family abducted Bryan after their match last Monday.

The following Friday on SmackDown (yes, I know the show is taped on Tuesday), Punk said he hadn't heard from Bryan "all week". (So WWE is at least pretending that SmackDown takes place on Friday. Exhibit B would be Vicki's "post-Thanksgiving party").

Last night, the announcers said that The Wyatt Family left Bryan in an abandoned parking lot somewhere outside the arena, where Bryan was found later that same evening.

So if that's true, why didn't Bryan contact Punk to let him know he was all right? (I know The Real Reason was to get people to tune into RAW and find out for themselves).

Puking Titus was such an inevitability that I just hit FFWD on my DVR and skipped almost the entirety of that match.

I liked Miz's initial heel turn, but now that they can't decide what to do with it, it's grating on my nerves. If you ask me, since Miz was playing Ricky Morton tonight, Kofi should have taken the obvious opportunity for some reciprocal "screw this, I'm not tagging in". But then that may have made Kofi a bad guy by some twisted WWE logic.

Bad News Barrett sucks. I found it pretty pathetic that they put a hashtag in front of his moniker, too, in one of WWE's most brazen attempts ever to trend on Twitter.

Does anybidy outside WWE really give a shit that they're trending at any given time? Maybe at 31, I'm merely outside the Twitter demographic.





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#26 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.84
    Originally posted by ekedolphin
    So lemme get this straight.

    ...




Apropos of nothing, but every time I see your sig I have a half-second of trying to decipher what it spells before realizing once again that it doesn't spell anything.
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#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.60
    Originally posted by Dr Unlikely
    Wade Barrett, I have some...good news. We wish you well!
    And I have some...bad news. It's in your future endeavors.


Man, you're right, but I hope not. The fact that Barrett isn't a multi-time world champion at this point is one of the company's biggest failings, in my mind. The guy is gold, and they're just wasting him.


    Originally posted by Dr Unlikely
    -Wade Barrett: Superpan Infomercial Pitchman


This, on the other hand, is money.


    Originally posted by Dr Unlikely
      Originally posted by SKLOKAZOID
      I can't believe the World Heavyweight Title, first held by Triple H after he defeated Tom Jenkins back in 1963, is going to finally be re-unified with the WWE Title.
    Their very fast, very loose concept of exactly when and where the World Heavyweight Title came into being and what it represents was indeed problematic



Actually, despite whatever the WWE has said in the past(and I know it was literally the exact opposite of this), I like that they are now retroactively adopting what I always thought made the most sense; when the title became disputed, Eric Bischoff simply stripped Brock Lesnar of the WCW portion of his title. It always made more sense than an entirely new belt, and in my mind that was always the case.
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#28 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.86
Puking Titus was fine as a one-time joke. "What would happen if Cesaro put the giant swing on someone who just ate a lot of food?" I thought the idea was pretty clever, actually, so I gave the Smackdown segment a pass. Dragging it out further is stupid and unnecessary.

I know they were focusing on past greats, but it was a bummer that the guy who held the WWE title for 434 days didn't get a mention in the final segemnt. Not as big a bummer as him not COMPETING for the Unified title, but still...

EDIT: Oh, and was that the debut of The Real Americans' matching jackets? (I can't remember if they had them on Smackdown.) Seeing those made my '80s-tag-team-loving heart grow three sizes.

(edited by SchippeWreck on 3.12.13 1248)


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#29 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.97
Alberto Del Rio - 243, Sin Caras - 1. Congratulations!

SLAMMY PREDICTIONS.

Superstar of the Year: Cena (would win every year but they sometimes break it up to avoid embarrassment), Orton (could be given it for heat unless they are obligated to recognize the real voting), Daniel Bryan ("deserves" to win), CM Punk (always a strong contender in an internet poll), Albeto Del Rio (LOL)

Match of the Year: Cena/Rock (kind of obligated), HHH/Lesnar Mania (LOL), Taker/Punk (winner), Cena/Bryan, Punk/Lesnar. By merit, I hope they remember Cena/Punk on Raw. Throwing in Shield/Rhodes would be a nice way to recognize them, although that's in no way what these are about.

On the other hand, Shield, Wyatts, Fandango, Big E is an above average crop for rookie, I'm sorry, "newest sports entertainer," of the year.

I wonder if they'll even bother to nominate Dolph Ziggler's cash-in, which really was one of the 3 or 4 best things on Raw all year, for OMG WTF Trending Vintage Moment, especially in the wake of the other two more recent Bank attempts. It is staggering that Ziggler at this time last year was about to go over John Cena and seemed significantly closer to joining the top mix than Daniel Bryan.


    Originally posted by Mr Shh
    Triple H is walking out as Unified Champion at TLC, isn't he?


Admittedly I had that thought too, since "there will be one champion" still seemed like that cutesy "gotcha!" verbiage. I just don't think Triple H is going to go on the road for 4 months and take them from two champs at house shows to zero.


    Thought for sure Triple H was going to drop Sting's name at the end.


Yeah, I was expecting Sting and Batista. Bringing it back to Undertaker and Shawn Michaels (he of the epic one month World Title reign with a woman's haircut) did nicely supplement a WWE era legacy to the history of the title, kind of necessary since otherwise its proud lineage is something like "From Thesz To Swagger!"


    Originally posted by SKLOKAZOID
    Sounds like they're serious about it, and that the only reason they were vague about it last week was because they just couldn't figure out what to call the Unified Champion.


I still think they were shamed into it. Too many people had their ears up anticipating the MOST CLEVER RUSE YET after five straight screwy PPV finishes.


    I like where all of this CM Punk stuff is going, and how the Wyatts/Shield are being interchangeably thrown into the mix.


At the very least, it preserves some hope for a decent payoff for our original and preferred protagonist. Conversely, the almost scary rapidity with which Big Show was discarded as important makes it hard to invest in the notion of any kind of long term ideas at play.

What it doesn't do, though, is set up a card that makes it seem like TLC will continue its tradition as a surprisingly satisfying show with multiple great matches that jumpstarts the road to Wrestlemania.


    Originally posted by Tenken487
    Actually, despite whatever the WWE has said in the past(and I know it was literally the exact opposite of this), I like that they are now retroactively adopting what I always thought made the most sense; when the title became disputed, Eric Bischoff simply stripped Brock Lesnar of the WCW portion of his title. It always made more sense than an entirely new belt, and in my mind that was always the case.


SUCK IT, BELT MARKS. Tell it to your Wikipedia footnote.


    Originally posted by Dr Unlikely
    Felt like the "real" writers finally noticing and taking over something that the writers they ignore had been running with.


Truly one of the saddest things that can happen in contemporary WWE. Dumb Maria. Santino Marella. The Dirt Sheet. Little Jimmy. Team Hell No.

If the JBL And Cole Show is canonical on Raw TV, that raises a lot of new questions. For one thing, I think it means magic is real. Meaning...



    Sadly, this seems to kill my booking prediction dead: I assumed Orton and Cena would both climb up together and fall off with belts, Cena with the WWE Title and Orton with the World Heavyweight Title. And then, through some kind of magic spell (possibly via the Wyatts, or a debuting Ascension?), the two of them would swap bodies and we'd spend the run to Wrestlemania XXX in an angle where Orton is in Cena's Body as an evil, ultimate corporate champion and Cena is trapped in Orton's body, desperately trying to convince someone, anyone, that he's the real John Cena. (Note: This would save wrestling.)


... is very much on the table.

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#30 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.85
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    Admittedly I had that thought too, since "there will be one champion" still seemed like that cutesy "gotcha!" verbiage. I just don't think Triple H is going to go on the road for 4 months and take them from two champs at house shows to zero.


Is there any possibility that Hunter sends someone to the ring to beat a triumphant Cena the way Orton beat Bryan at Summerslam? There's no MITB, but Hunter doesn't need that now that he has a manifesto ("best for business") and nothing to lose. That gives the Authority a new unified champ to rally behind and keeps the promise that SOMEONE will hold both belts, even if it's not either guy in the match. It also cements Hunter's view of Orton as a champ by decree.

Almost anyone I would suggest as Hunter's new guy is immediately disqualified by logic. With regard to people falling upward, Dolph and Del Rio are right there, but ... there's no way, right? This is the failing of having a thousand midcarders. But an undeserving champ get more heat than someone the Universe respected.

I dunno. Brock?



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#31 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.35
Brock makes sense for giving people who already bought the PPV a memorable moment, but Brock doesn't make sense for having to pay the Brock Lesnar PPV Salary to show up unadvertised. They'd could make it work if Brock would be willing to take less, but that doesn't sound like Brock Lesnar.

(edited by thecubsfan on 3.12.13 1552)


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#32 Posted on
These shows remind me so much of the time period just after the Radicalz came to WWE - so much good stuff in the middle of the show and a total inability for me to give a crap about the "Main Event". Right now, Cena and Orton and the Authority just eat up a bunch of screen time, in my opinion. And that doesn't really bother me. As long as I get Goldust doing ranas, Bray Wyatt recruiting "Brian", and CM Punk accepting his fate but vowing to take some of the Shield out in the process, I am a happy camper.
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#33 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.49
Random thought--- Toronto Mayor Rob Ford = Brock Lesnar's dad?
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#34 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.08
    Originally posted by John Orquiola
    AJ has said several times she only cares about matches when the Divas Title is on the line. Those are the only ones that count for her. The announcers should watch the product.


To be fair, I watch the product and don't remember that. I was more annoyed they thought Skip-It was a skipping around the ring competition.



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#35 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.14
    Originally posted by John Orquiola
    Announcers, JBL especially, completely befuddled by AJ skipping around the ring. AJ has said several times she only cares about matches when the Divas Title is on the line. Those are the only ones that count for her. The announcers should watch the product.



Not even watching the past shows, but if they just paid attention to what was going on in front of them live it was pretty obvious what story was being told with AJ.

But that goes for just about every match they announce.
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#36 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.28
    Originally posted by Big Bad



      Sadly, this seems to kill my booking prediction dead: I assumed Orton and Cena would both climb up together and fall off with belts, Cena with the WWE Title and Orton with the World Heavyweight Title. And then, through some kind of magic spell (possibly via the Wyatts, or a debuting Ascension?), the two of them would swap bodies and we'd spend the run to Wrestlemania XXX in an angle where Orton is in Cena's Body as an evil, ultimate corporate champion and Cena is trapped in Orton's body, desperately trying to convince someone, anyone, that he's the real John Cena. (Note: This would save wrestling.)


    If this leads to just one skit of Rand Cena making an evil Make A Wish appearance, TAKE ALL MY MONEY


Both of these made me laugh so damn hard. It very well might save the planet, let alone wrestling.


Separate note, I was pretty much assuming it was Hunico or at least someone different when that giant tattoo made it's entrance. Glad to see that they finally gave the gimmick to the guy who is underrated and deserves a shot at making the character work.

I love Barrett about as much as a fan can, but I was cringing at the material. He was clearly trying to make it work through force of will, but I don't think that he was able to cross that gulf. The guy is a surefire mainevent arrogant heel, and they're wasting him. He could've been doing ADR's job for the last 3 years and been making it work much better. I mean, imagine him berating Ricardo Rodriguez? It writes itself really.

It's great that we've gotten used to such excellent tag-team matches this year that this 6-man was merely average-to-good. The Shield are the one thing that I'll call people into the room to watch, because they're a guarantee of quality at this point. Not a single bad tag match to their name since debuting. Incredible.

Antonio Cesaro can uppercut anything and I'll still be amazed at how brutal it looks/sounds. That guy is a decent promo away from having the world at his feet.

While not really enjoying the Authority/Unified Title kerfuffle, I will say that I'm really enjoying Randy's work on the mic in this role. Conversely, Cena's revisionist history and nonsensical promos are the norm at this point, so while i watch each one to see if he's gotten better, I'm not holding my breath for the sudden improvement that is way past due. One mildly funny promo a year aint enough.



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#37 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.44

    I love Barrett about as much as a fan can, but I was cringing at the material. He was clearly trying to make it work through force of will, but I don't think that he was able to cross that gulf. The guy is a surefire mainevent arrogant heel, and they're wasting him.


I dunno, Barrett is pretty boring once it's time for him to actually wrestle. Good look, good voice, but once he steps in the ring there's no hook to him, nothing that stands out & makes me want to watch him.



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#38 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.85
    Originally posted by Spaceman Spiff
    I dunno, Barrett is pretty boring once it's time for him to actually wrestle. Good look, good voice, but once he steps in the ring there's no hook to him, nothing that stands out & makes me want to watch him.


His best match may have been the post-Mania rematch with Miz. The crowd was behind him, and he responded huge, even doing the Cactus Jack bang -bang gesture before an apron elbow. I think he's got the goods, but the constant gimmick alterations are death. As a fan of finishers, his have sucked. The Wasteland seems even less damaging than the FU/AA, and the elbow never took off.

Maybe he bears the brunt of the WWE's lazy booking for the "evil foreigner." It's beyond old. I think they're making a mistake by pushing him as a heel. Why not another confident face who likes to fight, alongside Punk and Sheamus?



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#39 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.60
    Originally posted by Matt Tracker
      Originally posted by Spaceman Spiff
      I dunno, Barrett is pretty boring once it's time for him to actually wrestle. Good look, good voice, but once he steps in the ring there's no hook to him, nothing that stands out & makes me want to watch him.


    His best match may have been the post-Mania rematch with Miz. The crowd was behind him, and he responded huge, even doing the Cactus Jack bang -bang gesture before an apron elbow. I think he's got the goods, but the constant gimmick alterations are death. As a fan of finishers, his have sucked. The Wasteland seems even less damaging than the FU/AA, and the elbow never took off.

    Maybe he bears the brunt of the WWE's lazy booking for the "evil foreigner." It's beyond old. I think they're making a mistake by pushing him as a heel. Why not another confident face who likes to fight, alongside Punk and Sheamus?


I've felt for a while now that he'd be a great brawling face. In fact, if they wanted to freshen him up, a turn would have been a hell of a better idea than the new gimmick.
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#40 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.97
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    Superstar of the Year: Daniel Bryan ("deserves" to win)


    Originally posted by WWE
    Shawn Michaels will present the Superstar of the Year award.


Hmm.
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