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I didn't want to start the Raw thread, but I take the lack of one as everyone tacitly agreeing that the Orton/Cena title vs. title match has been deliberately booked with the full intent of a screwjob of one person not coming down with both belts. I suppose if everyone starts predicting this on #twitter they may feel ashamed of a finish they're already proud of, but we'll have to see if they ever dare use the word "unification" and the hype is of an historic nature, or if they stick to "both world titles up for grabs! don't think too hard about it!"

Summer Rae's resolve in the face of insurmountable odds to take a deep breath, become determined, and dance her heart out was my favorite part of Raw.

That and the dynamic of Punk, Bryan, and Renee Young as the best friends club. The Straight Yes Society could be over before it even started if they've been divided into a Bryan vs. Bray Wyatt single (so said Meltzer yesterday anyway) and Punk against, I guess, New Great Man Roman Reigns? The theoretical threeway feud would continue to be interesting though. Renee could be Punk and Bryan's partner in a 3-on-3-on-3.

Orton in perpetual bicker with Triple H and Stephanie is fundamentally stupid.

Tell me a lie, Big Show. If Paul is really in a medical emergency, Cena could probably eschew waiting the tag.

The Nikki Bella as Michelle McCool angst should be ramping up pretty soon if it hasn't already.

The Strahan MizTV. Man.
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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.72
Best-case scenario for the inevitable Cena/Orton ending....Abeyance gets another brief title reign and the Royal Rumble winner becomes the unified, undisputed champion?



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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.45
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    I didn't want to start the Raw thread, but I take the lack of one as everyone tacitly agreeing that the Orton/Cena title vs. title match has been deliberately booked with the full intent of a screwjob of one person not coming down with both belts. I suppose if everyone starts predicting this on #twitter they may feel ashamed of a finish they're already proud of, but we'll have to see if they ever dare use the word "unification" and the hype is of an historic nature, or if they stick to "both world titles up for grabs! don't think too hard about it!"


Oh man, I really, really want to give my WWE cynicism a break for this one. Even their WWE.com page (http://www.wwe.com/​​​shows/​​​wwetlc/​​​2013/​​​john-​​​cena-​​​randy-​​​orton-​​​26166358) seems to imply that we're looking at a match where one dude walks out with two belts, so I'm gonna let my December PPV Christmas optimism, the same naive optimism I had for Starrcade back in 1997, take over here and say they actually give us a "clear" (screwjobs are fair game) winner here.

The belt-switch is just too telegraphed. It's like the first thing people thought of when they thought they'd book the match. Of course, Internet Smartz didn't stop Guest Ref HBK from superkicking Daniel Bryan or HHH from Pedigreeing Daniel Bryan at SummerSlam.

Besides, I don't think that's how dual-belt ladder matches work if Razor/HBK at WM10 is any indication. You need possession of both belts to win.


But really, I just think that the World Title has been even more of a redundancy now than it has been for the last 3 years and that WWE really wants to have a clear title match for the big 3-0. I'm sure the winner will walk around with two belts, as an undisputed badass champion should, until at least WrestleMania, but more importantly, it just sets up a clear goal for a real Royal Rumble winner instead of jokes like when Sheamus and Del Rio won and challenged for the World Heavyweight Title at WrestleMania (I mean, come on, why would you want to challenge for THAT one now, even with Cena holding it?)

Let's undispute this dispute.

(edited by SKLOKAZOID on 26.11.13 0018)
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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.84
No, John, they're chanting "Daniel Bryan" because they want Daniel Bryan, not because they're "sick of administrative BS". That sense of the WWE braintrust sticking their fingers in their ears trilling "LALALALALA NOT LISTENING" is reaching critical mass.
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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.60
    Originally posted by Amos Cochran
    No, John, they're chanting "Daniel Bryan" because they want Daniel Bryan, not because they're "sick of administrative BS". That sense of the WWE braintrust sticking their fingers in their ears trilling "LALALALALA NOT LISTENING" is reaching critical mass.


In all fairness to Cena, that felt to me like him calling an audible and trying to tie what was going on in the ring to something that the crowd gave a shit about. It was pretty clear that nobody in the arena cared what HHH and Orton were going on about, so it was a valiant effort.

And was it my imagination, or was the commentary team paying even less attention to the matches than they usually do?
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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.32
I wonder if the WWE ever considered for a split second when they got the SummerSlam buyrate, it might have been them out right calling the ending of the main event for weeks or that Cena is no longer that big of a draw. Probably not. Bryan being brainwashed is WCW in its final days level of stupid.



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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.02
Big Show is seriously hurt. They just rolled him out of the ring. The doctor is checking on him. Things don't look good. Let's not mention that anymore and instead focus on Randy Orton raising both belts as if they weigh 500 lbs each over a fallen John Cena. Weird shift of focus.

The show should've ended with the Bryan-Punk match.

If The Wyatt clan brainwashes DB, using Kane as the only example, shaved short-hair in a suit Daniel Bryan is on his way.

The crowd did not give one shit about Kofi-Miz or Sandow-Ziggler. At least the divas match got some chants.

Speaking of, I hate watching Nattie work. I hate even more when she talks.

AJ is crazy over. They need to do more with that.

AJ and Punk haven't been nearly as active on twitter as they used to be. That makes me sad. I wonder why.

If you close your eyes and halfway cover your right ear, JBL sounds exactly like Vince on commentary.
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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.89
Three cheers for the Randy Savage chant and the crowd shitting all over the security dude going over to Macho and telling him to stifle. That was bullshit, as they chanted, too.

Think the crowd next week will chant for The Kosher Butcher, or his dreaded finisher, The Circumcision? I hope so.
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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.31
Theory 1: They turned Miz heel before Survivor Series (in a spot that would have played out as a perfect elimination tag match heel turn) forgetting that he had a Christmas movie coming out in a few weeks and that his co-star was going to be Raw. Upon remembering that, they immediately decided that the heel turn NEVER HAPPENED, and will instead re-do it as soon as they don't have to promote his movie.

Theory 2: Dolph Ziggler is riding out his contract, John Morrison-style, and is going to go away for a while when next the opportunity presents itself. He will spend a year being the first person to take audio bumps on comedy podcasts.

    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    That and the dynamic of Punk, Bryan, and Renee Young as the best friends club. The Straight Yes Society could be over before it even started if they've been divided into a Bryan vs. Bray Wyatt single (so said Meltzer yesterday anyway) and Punk against, I guess, New Great Man Roman Reigns? The theoretical threeway feud would continue to be interesting though. Renee could be Punk and Bryan's partner in a 3-on-3-on-3.


That segment played weird as it happened. Very entertaining, but I don't know that I've ever seen Punk fully commmit to playing straight, full-on energetic face like that. But with the way it ended, I kind of loved it in context: Bryan and Punk doing Abbott & Costello, Punk bringing up the team's Internet Naming Rights issues, Punk namedropping the roster and their non-WWE peers, the two of them palling around with Renee...all of it was a taste of the Megapowers-esque team of the two most over and loved guys knowing that they were about to be literally pulled apart by opposing forces.

That's kind of brilliant, as is the way that it doesn't happen until Punk finally mentions The Authority. Once the threat of Punk turning his attention to the Big Problem comes up and the unified Punk-Bryan HHH Revenge Squad begins to gel, the two are forcibly yanked apart. Do I trust that they'll go anywhere with this? Of course not. But it was still a smart segment.

That said, I do regret that Renee never actually got to ask them a question. (Spoiler: she was going to ask them what they thought of Dr. D David Schultz slapping John Stossel.)

    Originally posted by Stefonics

    If The Wyatt clan brainwashes DB, using Kane as the only example, shaved short-hair in a suit Daniel Bryan is on his way.


Yes! The second the Wyatts took Bryan away, this is exactly what the payoff I pictured was: Bryan comes back out on Raw in a suit, takes off his wig and beard and gives them to Stephanie and then feuds with an Uso for reasons never explained.

    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    Summer Rae's resolve in the face of insurmountable odds to take a deep breath, become determined, and dance her heart out was my favorite part of Raw.


I spent a lot of time quietly resentful of Summer Rae because she had usurped the rightful spot of the original dancer, but she started to win me over and last night sealed the deal. Now I rate her at #2 among the Lady Superstars. (Like all good-hearted people, I obviously have Renee at #1.)

    Originally posted by Amos Cochran
    No, John, they're chanting "Daniel Bryan" because they want Daniel Bryan, not because they're "sick of administrative BS". That sense of the WWE braintrust sticking their fingers in their ears trilling "LALALALALA NOT LISTENING" is reaching critical mass.


Yeah, that was something. "I know what these people are chanting Daniel Bryan - because they want me out here fixing this angle!"

    Originally posted by Tenken347
    In all fairness to Cena, that felt to me like him calling an audible and trying to tie what was going on in the ring to something that the crowd gave a shit about. It was pretty clear that nobody in the arena cared what HHH and Orton were going on about, so it was a valiant effort.


I did like that Cena acknowledged the chant while HHH and Stephanie just clammed up and went wooden-faced, and Cena does get points for being the only guy besides Punk to actually listen to and react the crowd in the moment. Punk's better because he genuinely reacts to them and runs with whatever is going on, which makes him the most interesting guy in the company by a few dozen levels.

On John Cena, the Television Character: the guy's a real creep, isn't he? The actual, acknowledged-by-Cena story we got over Sunday-Monday is that he was backstage secretly politicking to get a unified title match even before he knew Orton would be the guy. He was totally prepared to ambush Big Show with that same revelation had Show won. What the hell, man? This is very much the same character who screwed over Rey after Rey won the vacant title tournament by ambushing him with a match, and the same guy who cut the "you being the champ means nothing until you beat me" and the same guy who literally turned down the Hell In A Cell match vs. Punk because, in his own words, he can get a title shot whenever he wants one.

I think, in the end, that is the most frustrating part about their unwillingness to turn him heel: the character would be so, so, so great at it and has been built perfectly to the one thing they will never let him do.
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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.00
First it was just Bizarro World.
Then it was just the post-Mania crowd.
Then it was just a fad.

Now it seems like Raw crowds are turning on the shows every week. I heard several instances of the fans going into chant-for-everything-but-the-match mode last night.

WWE's gonna run out of places to do shows if they keep getting fans who don't know what they want.







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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.84
The Reality Era has given way to the Troll Era. Both company and crowds are now out to troll each other as much as possible. LOOK WHAT YOU HAVE DONE, SILENT RETURNING JERICHO.
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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.33
I would have thought a Hamptons Hardcore Match is when drunk Billy Joel rams his car through your living room window.

Tamina Snuka's full speed is equal to every other Diva's half speed. Quick as a dead cat, she moves like.

I think Justin pointed this out already but the Bellas eschewing Twin Magic in lieu of no longer being physically identical and then evolving their styles to reflect their boyfriends is pretty fucking stellar. If they wanted to evolve Twin Magic, Brie should wear a beard and Nikki jorts and occasionally switch for their boyfriends from beneath the ring during their matches.

The G.O.A.T.s and Renee Young are better than the Megapowers and Elizabeth.

(edited by John Orquiola on 26.11.13 0947)
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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.32
    Originally posted by PowerPB13
    First it was just Bizarro World.
    Then it was just the post-Mania crowd.
    Then it was just a fad.

    Now it seems like Raw crowds are turning on the shows every week. I heard several instances of the fans going into chant-for-everything​-but-the-match mode last night.

    WWE's gonna run out of places to do shows if they keep getting fans who don't know what they want.






No. The fans know what they want, they chanted for it and the WWE has no desire to give it to them. The real problem is not smark crowds, its the company not caring about the live crowd and looking at their online store at the Cena merchandise sales. I loved Jericho's return. It was after three weeks of it that it got to be annoying which I kinda guess was the point, I guess.



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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.79
Anybody else notice that after Bryan get's carried away by the Wyatts they showed the segment where The Bellas are shmoozing up to Strahan? Can't be consistent every night I guess.

Also damn you Silent Returning Chris Jericho!

(edited by CruelAngel777 on 26.11.13 0821)


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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.31
    Originally posted by Amos Cochran
    The Reality Era has given way to the Troll Era. Both company and crowds are now out to troll each other as much as possible. LOOK WHAT YOU HAVE DONE, SILENT RETURNING JERICHO.


The high-water marks of the Troll/Internet Era have to be:
-Jericho trolls every fan in the world at once via jacket
-Vince calls Punk "Phil" without telling him it's coming
-Cena calls out The Rock's cribnotes and then no-sells the serious build to their match
-Punk claims Cena wanted to be a body builder (the only time I can ever recall Cena getting completely caught off guard by anyone)

    Originally posted by CruelAngel777
    Anybody else notice that after Bryan get's carried away by the Wyatts they showed the segment where The Bellas are shmoozing up to Strahan? Can't be consistent every night I guess.

These segments happened after the one where Rowan coerced Strahan into putting on the sheep mask. So, logically, Strahan had already been brainwashed by the Wyatt Family and was specifically sent to distract Brie (playing on the Bellas' well-known, pathalogical need to hang out with every special guest host) so she wouldn't enlist anyone's aid in saving Bryan from the Wyatts. We just didn't realize this was happening becasue Strahan already had a suit on.
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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.02
Punk's extra-goofy, Colt Cabana X 3 AND Marty DeRosa promo was hillarious to me, because it was so out-of-left-field and bordering on Dwayne-levels of wacky list-making.

The ending of that Miz TV bit, "Michael Strahan, ladies & gentlemen!" was totally just pulling down the fourth wall and taking a bow after a "performance." It reminded me of that scene in Man on the Moon where the executive has to explain "you have just witnessed a *happening*."

    Originally posted by Stefonics
    AJ and Punk haven't been nearly as active on twitter as they used to be. That makes me sad. I wonder why.


Presumably because they both have crazy (teenage) uber-fans who tweet them both (and Amy) about their relationship(s).
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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.00
To borrow a point from our esteemed leader Triple H: Doink The Clown was popular too; that didn't mean he should have been champion.

In all seriousness: I've resigned myself to the fact that the mainstream wrestling products aren't booked for fans like me. I watch to hopefully see some decent wrestling and that's about it.

(edited by PowerPB13 on 26.11.13 1048)


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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.33
The end of the Ziggler/AJ/Langston family was the end of really funny Twitter banter between the three. AJ will still tweet Langston occasionally or offer up musings about her real life and travel woes and even sometimes tweet Kaitlyn, but mostly she's just a retweet machine for her teenage fans cosplaying as her or hyping up her new merch.
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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.86
I pretty much just watch WWE programming for CM Punk, Daniel Bryan, and, recently, Renee Young (She's just so darn likeable!), so that interview segment was phenomenal. Hearing Punk say, "Let me tell ya something, brother!" was surreal.



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#20 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.84
    Originally posted by Dr Unlikely
    The high-water marks of the Troll/Internet Era have to be:
    -Jericho trolls every fan in the world at once via jacket
    -Vince calls Punk "Phil" without telling him it's coming
    -Cena calls out The Rock's cribnotes and then no-sells the serious build to their match
    -Punk claims Cena wanted to be a body builder (the only time I can ever recall Cena getting completely caught off guard by anyone)


-Cena's heel turn the night after WrestleMania
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