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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.55
I gave it a chance to play out and here's what I got.

Daniel Bryan is now farting around with The Wyatt Family, along with CM Punk. And thus ends the Daniel Bryan main event push...for now.

So who's Randy Orton's new main event feud with? Why, Big Show, of course. And they couldn't even give this the right buildup, because Show immediately laid Orton out, leaving the remainder of the final segment to revolve around Show and Triple H.

Also, on the subject of Punk, he finally dispatched Ryback, once and for all. And I mean that in the most emphatic way possible. Ryback got DESTROYED and that should pretty much spell the end for him as any player of consequence.

Meanwhile, Damian Sandow is not so smart, after all. He beat down John Cena with the briefcase, but took too long in cashing in, so we wound up with a proper match. And of course, if you don't know how this ends, you haven't been watching the last ten years of Raw. Rise Above Hate, don't forget to floss, blah blah blah, same old shit. Really? THAT'S the best way they could pay off Sandow winning the briefcase? What a waste.

Just so I don't completely leave this thread filled with bile and excrement, the tag match between the Rhodes Boys and the Real Americans was solid. Swagger and Cesaro took this one (a night after jobbing to the Tito Santanas, because of course), but I don't mind that too much, because I'd be more than ok with seeing this match again.

That's all I've got. I have nothing else positive to say.




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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.17
Well, I mean, the first man ever to fail to cash in Money in the Bank defeated and made the second man ever to fail to cash in Money in the Bank, so there's that?

Tamina discovered the secret of how to beat the Bellas: You take one Bella and use her as a bat to smack the other Bella around. Now that's Twin Magic.

Meanwhile, Brie was like Rocky in Rocky III. She was so worried about Daniel Bryan, she couldn't concentrate on the match and paid for it.

So it looks like the Brie Bella and Daniel Bryan dual champions power couple just ain't gonna happen. Maybe as a wedding present?

Stephanie was hilarious tonight. Her reaction when Kane handed her his mask and wig went from "Uh... okay" to "HAHAHAHAH! I own Kane's dirty wig and mask now!!" in 5 seconds flat.

The real star of this RAW was Summer Rae, who had the main event match and shined brighter than the gold frills on her outfit. She's a terrific wrestler; better already than the Bottom Divas and the Total Divas. She could wrestle a broomstick and make it entertaining. Meanwhile, that very broomstick did that thing she always does and won with one move after doing nothing in the match. She's the worst.

(edited by John Orquiola on 28.10.13 2036)
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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.83
I'm also for Kane coming out in a suit and tie like an evil Joseph Parks, but someone better tape a Briscoe Body Shop sign to his back.

I think JBL over reacted to his former servant getting served.

I would rather see Bryan feud with the Wyatt's than Team Best for Business, but that is just me.

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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.83
Coming after the PPV, a Raw where John Cena retains against the MITB cash-in, Daniel Bryan is swapped out for Big Show as #1 contender and moved into a program with the Wyatt Family, and Kane turns heel again just for the hell of it almost seems like a parody of a worst case scenario people would predict to make themselves miserable.

It wasn't as bad as it seemed, at least on a segment by segment basis. At the very least, it made for the much requested freshening up. A fool I may be in the long run and perhaps the short run, but I don't think it's over for Daniel Bryan, as between HBK going unsaved reciprocally and the Wyatt attack, all roads for him still lead to Triple H. The fabled Yes & Best Connection has indeed been forged, and there's a nice mystery as to whether the Devil is Triple H or Paul Heyman. Can Bryan & Punk vs. Rowan & Harper matches be 1/50th as good as Bryan & Punk vs. Shield matches? That remains to be seen.

Congrats to the Shield, btw, for making it nearly one year before they started teasing their breakup. Hence, it would seem, the Wyatt being moved up into their obstacle gang spot.

Bryan and Michaels was a good segment. Not that Bryan wasn't 100% justified going in to begin with, but I think it says something when the crowd unanimously sides with him and turns viciously on everybody's uncle legend, Mr. HOF. Quite the setup for Daniel Bryan vs. heel prick Shawn Michaels, but I'm pretty sure that's not going to happen. If you're still willing to be a sucker on board the Bryan chase saga, Show/Orton will kill the last two PPVs of the year before Bryan could enter the Rumble and chase the title at the original scene of the crimes perpetrated against him ... Wrestlemania (28).

It's nice that the Kane character is so clearly delineated at this point that he can come back and arbitrarily turn heel with an explanation that was essentially "I'm Kane and it's been a year." There's something truly infuriating about the idea that Daniel Bryan was jumped by the same guys who put Kane out of action for 2 months and they will somehow end up on opposite sides.

As fun as The Big Guy run was, Ryback's one guy whose push's end I do not lament. Best wishes to him. But after seeing him get blown off like that in the post-Heyman ecosystem, if I'm Curtis Axel, I don't even bother showing up again.

On Cena and Sandow, look, it's always very important to establish that John Cena is good at wrestling. Sometimes we might forget. As LOL as the circumstances may be, I don't really have a problem with Sandow failing to cash in. I'm not sure Damien Sandow, World Champion makes sense right now, and there's a good kind of heat he can draw by screwing that up, a vain man in an expensive tuxedo who spills mayonnaise all over his pants kind of heat. What's funny is that after months of losing to your R-Truths, the entire build for Damien Sandow as a threat to the title was all done in the match for the title. It was a very well done deal and maybe he can build off of that, which is to say hopefully they will have him build off that. Cena vs. Sandow coming off the match they just had seems a lot more interesting than Cena vs. Del Rio coming off the match they just had.

Kind of crazy that the Shield may have passed the torch as the TV workhorses to Cody and Goldust. They're on a roll. Perfect build for the Real Americans as top challengers to the hot new face team by having them lose to the Matadors. Which as all our great friend Scott Christ @tapemachines pointed out, means the tag team power rankings go 5. Usos, 4. Rollins/Reigns, 3. Cody/Goldust, 2. Real Americans, 1. Los Matadores.

I hope WWE creative has taken it on as a personal challenge to see how many weeks in a row they can run Matadores vs. 3MB. It's like Cesaro's swing, every time it goes around again, you can't believe it.

I think I might be defecting from Team AJ to Team Summer Rae.
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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.17
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro

    I think I might be defecting from Team AJ to Team Summer Rae.


I plan to play for both teams. And a third if there comes a Team Paige.
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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.07
I'll be Team Nattie, solely because I enjoy John's unbridled hatred of Nattie.



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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.55
Fun fact: Big Show's last PPV match was in May for Extreme Rules. His opponent was...you guessed it...Randy Orton!

http://the-w.com/extreme-rules-2013-results-thread


    THE BIG SHOW v. RANDY ORTON: EXTREME RULES MATCH
    Orton, of course, get the big hometown pop from the St. Louis crowd.

    Show tries to overpower Orton to start, but Orton outmaneuvers him. Show asserts the power advantage until Orton brings out the Kendo stick. Show takes Orton down anyway and snaps the Kendo stick across his knee. Orton crawls around and searches for PLUNDAH! He gets...another Kendo stick! Show breaks that one, too. They don't make Kendo sticks like they used to. Here's a big chop. Show scoops up Orton for the "I'm going to throw you into the steel post, but you're going to slip out and shove me into the steel post, instead" spot. And sure enough, Orton shoves Show into the steel post. Orton brings out a ladder and Show kicks it in his face. Back in the ring, Show chucks Orton into the steel post. Show chokes away. Show muscles Orton around some more, but Orton clips Show charging in. Orton hits the dropkick. That flurry doesn't last long and now Show wants the ladder. He also grabs a pair of chairs and uses them to prop up the ladder horizontally. Show hits a side slam for 2. Show puts Orton on top of the ladder in a move that surely won't backfire for Big Show at all. Show wants the Vaderbomb. It misses. Orton covers for 2. Orton hits the Hanging DDT off the top-rope. VIPER COIL! RKO hits! IT GETS 2! Show takes a breather, as Orton searches for more PLUNDAH! He gets a chair. Orton starts whacking Show with the chair. Orton charges in with the chair and eats a spear. Show wants to pick up the chair, but Orton swoops in and hits the RKO on the chair! No pin, as Orton wants more. He's going to opt for the PUNT OF PLOT CONVENIENCE! And he nails it for the pin.

    WINNER: Randy Orton - Very good match, but these guys have been so stuck on that treadmill to nowhere that I couldn't get excited about it.


And if tonight's ending is any indication, this feud from six months ago is YOUR Survivor Series main event!




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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.63
D-Bryan and Punk? Well, The New Mega Powers first had to be formed, before they can explode at WM30, right?



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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.80
    Originally posted by John Orquiola
      Originally posted by JustinShapiro

      I think I might be defecting from Team AJ to Team Summer Rae.


    I plan to play for both teams. And a third if there comes a Team Paige.


Can a ninja get a "Whoooooa Team Emma" up in this board? I like that Summer Rae got the chance to show out in a match finally. The Diva's division needs an injection of new blood from NXT not Total Divas (with the exception of Naomi) and Summer Rae is a step in the right direction.

After HIAC and the ending of RAW I was all set on rant mode, but then it hit me during the Bryan/HBK confrontation. I don't care who is in the main event spot of the show anymore. The best match of HIAC was The opening Tag Match. I'm way more invested in Team Best of the Yes vs. The Wyatts, Bryan's continued megapush as a legit bad ass facing his sensei in Michaels, The Shield beginning to unravel,and about 20 other things over Orton and Big Show having a snore-fest of a rivalry. With those two closing the show I can cut out of RAw and PPV's 20 minutes early for now.

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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.64
    Originally posted by Tyler Durden
    D-Bryan and Punk? Well, The New Mega Powers first had to be formed, before they can explode at WM30, right?


Ohhhhh good catch. Teaming them up through the fall to set up a title match at 'Mania is WWE booking 101.

I have no problem with *how* the show was booked, and the wrestling was pretty good for a change. I'm just irritated by the Bryan thing still. I don't think it's over - I think he's getting the belt either before WM or at WM - but they've burnt us so many times before that having patience for such a thing is a Herculean effort.
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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.11
Oh..boy. I feel like either I have gone insane from all my cackling laughter yesterday or all of you have just snapped and accepted the Best for Business reality.

Lets review: Cena again buried a good talent for no reason. A talent who has been doing the MitB winner job tour for the last few months and got nothing out of it expect for being roadkill for the Cena express. HBK after getting his just deserts will be sitting at home til Mania comes around then he will find a way to wiggle into that payday for no reason and will bypass this storyline. Kane has turned for the 100th time. CM Punk and Bryan are going to be stuck fighting the 2013 version of the Goodwins on one of the biggest PPVs of the year. Shield, Shield, the other internet darling is talking break up for no reason. And finally, we get another HHH burying talent promo just for Big Show. Big fucking Show to main event this PPV. So, the entire corporate angle was all done to get a guy who is semi over, just over enough to main event this PPV even though there are literally three or four guys who should be ahead of him if not the entire fucking roster.

I mean guys and girls, this is awful. If it weren't for AJ and the family Rhodes, there is no good here. Maybe its just me, but come on, this is bad. I need you to step away from the Kool-Aid here.

(edited by lotjx on 29.10.13 0501)


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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.64
I think you're letting your first-ever instance of accurate doomsaying go to your head, my man.
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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.60
I like Damien Sandow okay, but please raise your hand if you ever, at any point, thought he was actually going to hold the WHC. Anyone? No? Alright then. I didn't like the finish to his match with Cena, but only because I don't feel like they laid the necessary ground to build up to the AA for the pin. It was a weird, out-of-nowhere finish that didn't so much bury Sandow as just make the whole thing seem screwy.

As for Bryan, well I only see one way to make lemonade out of these lemons, and it goes right through HBK. Do a Survivor Series match at SS with Punk and some guys against the Wyatts and some other guys, fight HBK in December, fight HHH at the Rumble, win the Rumble in the same night, head for WrestleMania and fight, oh, while I'm fantasy booking, let's say John Cena fights Randy Orton at the Rumble to unify the world titles, so at WM you get the big rematch with Cena and Bryan wins the undisputed title there. That would just about fix the unnecessary problems they've made for themselves this fall.
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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.85
There had to be a better way to end the angles of Smackdown's main event heels than having Cena do it on consecutive nights.



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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.04
    Originally posted by Tenken347
    while I'm fantasy booking, let's say John Cena fights Randy Orton at the Rumble to unify the world titles, so at WM you get the big rematch with Cena and Bryan wins the undisputed title there. That would just about fix the unnecessary problems they've made for themselves this fall.


I like the HBK/Bryan potential, student takes on teacher in a passing of the torch affair.

It's a story as old as time, but it works.

Also, when this whole thing started at Summer Slam, I was confidently predicting that Bryan wouldn't win the title proper till WMXXX, as this was the start of an old school attitude era 'building up to the big one' angle, & I'm still sticking with that.

The only real difference between what I'd like to have happened and what has happened is that Randy would have been the champion all the way through to now, and we'd have had none of this 'abeyance' bollocks.




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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.00
I don't think I bought into a single near-fall for Sandow. It was the same story with the Ziggler feud where Cena kicked out of every finisher. Didn't necessarily mind Cena winning by itself, but it bugs me that only the tippy-top guys have truly protected finishers. Those should be the ace in the hole for any wrestler: No matter how "outmatched" someone may be, he has a chance of winning if he can hit his finisher.



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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.37
I usually hold off on the invective but this was a truly awful show in terms of storyline direction.

Look, I get it - John Cena is indestructible. I get that. It's been shoved down my throat over and over and over and over again for the past several YEARS. Why do it again? It's not like you'd let me forget, either, with your incessant video packages. And I understand that Damien Sandow at this point should not be near any World championship, but was there any reason to feed him to Cena? Could the same job not have been accomplished by, say, three local jobbers, or the 3MB?

The match itself was horribly crafted - Cena gets beat down, has practically no use of one of his arms, then proceeds to kick out of EVERY SINGLE ONE of Sandow's finisher, and beat him clean after a one-armed AA. Sandow kicks out of or reverses precisely zero of Cena's moves. He rolls out of the ring after the first AA, and they made it plenty clear that he'd be counted out had it not been for Noble John Cena not wanting to finish the match that way. He squirms out of the STF because Cena can't lock it in. Then when he gets hit with the second one-armed AA, that's game over. Sandow looks like a grade-A loser in the process. I'm not saying give Sandow the title, there's no way you can do that after the shit-tour of jobbing he's been on for the past several months, but there's also absolutely no reason for him to get utterly buried by Cena if they have any intention of doing anything with him.

After that, I switched to the football game, and that defensive dogfight was far better than anything Raw has managed in the past several weeks. I'm not choosing Raw over football at least as long as football is around. This company doesn't deserve it.

(edited by used2bcool on 29.10.13 1521)
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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.07
    Originally posted by Tenken347
    I like Damien Sandow okay, but please raise your hand if you ever, at any point, thought he was actually going to hold the WHC.


To give them credit, I thought during that match that he would. I figured no way they'd have him lose to a ONE-ARMED MAN- thought maybe John wasn't ready to come back fulltime, it was to pop a buyrate and give Sandow a rub. Yeah, silly me.



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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.05
    Originally posted by Tenken347
    I like Damien Sandow okay, but please raise your hand if you ever, at any point, thought he was actually going to hold the WHC. Anyone?


    Originally posted by whatever in this thread
    We are praying to get tickets to the 9/16 show and dearly hoping that World Champion Damien Sandow will be present.


    Originally posted by whatever in this thread
    Any question of the World Title should involve Damien Sandow and probably Dolph Ziggler.



Up yours, WWE.

(edited by whatever on 29.10.13 1247)



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#20 Posted on
And who says WWE doesn't reward its fans?...

Now that the Daniel Bryan experiment is over, the only positive I can take from the debacle is that I'm not American and therefore wasn't expected to pay over $200 to watch the saga unfold on PPV. A saga that has now concluded with Randy Orton as champion despite not winning a single match decisively all summer; Daniel Bryan being shunted back down the midcard despite being the most over guy in the company and being booked to look stronger than Randy Orton at every turn; and Big Show back in the main even despite being... Big Show.

What this feud has taught us:

If you expect WWE to carry feuds to their logical conclusion, you're a fool.

If you expect the bulk of WWE PPVs to be anything other than placeholder events where little is progressed and even less is settled, you're a fool.

If you expect WWE to listen to their audience and get behind the most popular wrestlers in any meaningful way, you're a fool.

If you expect feuds involving HHH to end with HHH on the losing side, you're a fool.

If you expect John Cena to put anyone else over cleanly after the first truly clean job he's done to anyone not named Rock in over three years ends with an aborted push for that wrestler despite them being massively over and arguably being the best performer on the roster, you're a fool.



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