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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.16
"Natalya is as boring as watching paint dry. She's not talented." - AJ

That's what I was saying last week!

I loved all the shit with the Big Show. All of it. Even the stuff with Stephanie that mathematically and logically made no sense. When Stephanie was 12, it was 1988 and Big Show was no where near the WWF. It'd be 7 years before he even joined WCW as "Andre the Giant's son".

But most of all, I loved Big Show's Calculon-like ACTING!!! He repeatedly hit on one of my favorite things: wrestlers crying. No one bawls like the 7 foot, 500 lb giant.

"WHAT HAVE I DONE?!?"

Plus - PLUS! - Stephanie threatened him with the statistical probability that he's going to die soon!

Also loved the tease of The Punch on Triple H that Stephanie blocked. Oh man, if Show punched her, it would win all the Slammys.

And then there's this:



(edited by John Orquiola on 3.9.13 0748)

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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.24
I know some people are getting frustrated at the dominance of the Facgime, but I really think it's for the best here. The main reason is Randy Orton. Orton is a guy who, for the last, what, three years, has been one of the more popular men on the roster, someone who turned face not by any specific action but just because the crowd was cheering him as a heel. Though he's been on the backburner, he's been viewed as a 'top guy' for a long time. Even threatening to use his MitB contract and cash in at the most opportune time wasn't viewed as a despicable act, it was just the Viper, Randy being Randy.

What all of this establishment is doing, all of these beatdowns and hiding behind the Shield and triumphant Orton poses at the end of the shows is accomplishing, is it's making people boo Orton. Watching any number of the shows over the past few weeks, Orton typically still gets cheers when he comes out, he'll get some cheers during his match, but by the end of the show he's managed to turn the crowd against himself. And the part I like the best, he's turning the crowd against himself without resorting to the usual "I hate each and every one of you" spiels that new heels give to the crowd. He's making himself despicable through his actions and not his words.

It's not something that can happen overnight. But it is happening. And I'll agree with a point made above and say that Canada is going to be a good place to start to turn the tide. Canada will be all over cheering Daniel Bryan over Randy Orton, Bizarro-land or not. Canada will be behind Dolph Ziggler 100%. Canada will eviscerate Big Show if he continues to waver in his moral stance. Canada will...

Okay, maybe Canada won't cheer the Miz.
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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.12
    Originally posted by Chumpstain
    I know some people are getting frustrated at the dominance of the Facgime, but I really think it's for the best here. The main reason is Randy Orton. Orton is a guy who, for the last, what, three years, has been one of the more popular men on the roster, someone who turned face not by any specific action but just because the crowd was cheering him as a heel. Though he's been on the backburner, he's been viewed as a 'top guy' for a long time. Even threatening to use his MitB contract and cash in at the most opportune time wasn't viewed as a despicable act, it was just the Viper, Randy being Randy.

    What all of this establishment is doing, all of these beatdowns and hiding behind the Shield and triumphant Orton poses at the end of the shows is accomplishing, is it's making people boo Orton. Watching any number of the shows over the past few weeks, Orton typically still gets cheers when he comes out, he'll get some cheers during his match, but by the end of the show he's managed to turn the crowd against himself. And the part I like the best, he's turning the crowd against himself without resorting to the usual "I hate each and every one of you" spiels that new heels give to the crowd. He's making himself despicable through his actions and not his words.

    It's not something that can happen overnight. But it is happening. And I'll agree with a point made above and say that Canada is going to be a good place to start to turn the tide. Canada will be all over cheering Daniel Bryan over Randy Orton, Bizarro-land or not. Canada will be behind Dolph Ziggler 100%. Canada will eviscerate Big Show if he continues to waver in his moral stance. Canada will...

    Okay, maybe Canada won't cheer the Miz.


Canada cheered Orton over Benoit at SummerSlam at the height of Benoit's run. I have zero faith in that crowd doing anything, but being the dickhead crowd.



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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.54
    Originally posted by Mr Shh

    I'm pretty complimentary of almost everything WWE has been doing in the past 1+ month, but man, that Ricardo-RVD pairing is horrible. Ricardo looks like a goof without the suit, sounds worse when doing an introduction in English, and the whole thing takes away the Points To Self intro.

    (edited by Mr Shh on 3.9.13 1011)


Ricardo helps RVD beat Del Rio to get revenge then immediately helps Sandow cash-in because..well, because it makes as much sense as RVD and Ricardo. Ricardo can go back to doing intros in Spanish and Sandow can berate ignorant Americans for not knowing another language.



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#25 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.16
    Originally posted by Chumpstain
    \ Orton is a guy who, for the last, what, three years, has been one of the more popular men on the roster, someone who turned face not by any specific action but just because the crowd was cheering him as a heel. Though he's been on the backburner, he's been viewed as a 'top guy' for a long time.

    Watching any number of the shows over the past few weeks, Orton typically still gets cheers when he comes out, he'll get some cheers during his match, but by the end of the show he's managed to turn the crowd against himself.


This is 100% accurate. Internet smarks gripe and dislike Randy Orton, but the guy is over. I was at a house show in Boston on Saturday where Orton main evented against Bryan. Bryan was over leading the crowd in the "YES!" chant, but I was stunned at the massive face pop Orton also received when he came out. Plus there were "RAN-DY OR-TON!" chants during the match, which was maybe 60-40 pro-Bryan until Bryan's babyface comeback and Shieldterference that took away all of Orton's face heat. People like Randy Orton. I'm one of those people, by the way.



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#26 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.85
    Originally posted by John Orquiola
    This is 100% accurate. Internet smarks gripe and dislike Randy Orton, but the guy is over. I was at a house show in Boston on Saturday where Orton main evented against Bryan. Bryan was over leading the crowd in the "YES!" chant, but I was stunned at the massive face pop Orton also received when he came out. Plus there were "RAN-DY OR-TON!" chants during the match, which was maybe 60-40 pro-Bryan until Bryan's babyface comeback and Shieldterference that took away all of Orton's face heat. People like Randy Orton. I'm one of those people, by the way.


Anyone get the vibe during recent live shows that the audience is hoping Orton will be the one to break away from Team Bully Boss?



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#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.16
    Originally posted by Matt Tracker
      Originally posted by John Orquiola
      This is 100% accurate. Internet smarks gripe and dislike Randy Orton, but the guy is over. I was at a house show in Boston on Saturday where Orton main evented against Bryan. Bryan was over leading the crowd in the "YES!" chant, but I was stunned at the massive face pop Orton also received when he came out. Plus there were "RAN-DY OR-TON!" chants during the match, which was maybe 60-40 pro-Bryan until Bryan's babyface comeback and Shieldterference that took away all of Orton's face heat. People like Randy Orton. I'm one of those people, by the way.


    Anyone get the vibe during recent live shows that the audience is hoping Orton will be the one to break away from Team Bully Boss?


Nope. Why would he want to? He's the WWE Champion and the face of the company.

(edited by John Orquiola on 3.9.13 0909)


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#28 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.85
    Originally posted by John Orquiola
    Nope. Why would he want to? He's the WWE Champion and the face of the company.


Why would HE want to? Probably wouldn't.

Why would THE AUDIENCE want him too? So they can cheer him and he wouldn't beat him Little Bryan any more.




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#29 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.16
    Originally posted by Matt Tracker
    Why would HE want to? Probably wouldn't.

    Why would THE AUDIENCE want him too? So they can cheer him and he wouldn't beat him Little Bryan any more.



Oh. Still nope.



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#30 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.07
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    I think Darren Young being just a normal wrestler doing his thing because his sexuality is irrelevant is the perfect way to handle it, much better than Darren Young being some gay wrestling hero.


Agreed. I think it's weird they've NEVER mentioned it, even in passing (just all of a sudden they're on TV as babyfaces) but it's definitely best to underplay it and treat it like no big deal- because really it's not. Save the gay wrestling hero stuff for Be A STAR. Would be nice if they had been given a feud to explain in kayfabe why they're on TV all the time but it's clear what they're doing is working. The dance is over, nobody's hair is nappy thus everybody's happy.



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#31 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.83
    Originally posted by Matt Tracker
      Originally posted by John Orquiola
      Nope. Why would he want to? He's the WWE Champion and the face of the company.


    Why would HE want to? Probably wouldn't.

    Why would THE AUDIENCE want him too? So they can cheer him and he wouldn't beat him Little Bryan any more.



Oh, it's an easy path to why he would want to. "Randy's the face of the WWE. Now, would he be there if I didn't help him? Of course not. But he's who I chose and he's who I put in as champ."

"Whoa whoa whoa Hunter, hold on just a minute there. You may have not wanted Daniel Bryan as champ, but I'm the one who won Money in the Bank. I was going to be champ with or without you!"

"Yeah, sure Randy, whatever you say." [Smirk.]
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#32 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.00
There WAS that passing comment from HHH last week about how the belt is his and Randy's just carrying it for him...



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#33 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.83
    Originally posted by El Nastio
    Toronto is on Monday, Ottawa on Friday (well, Tuesday). My prediction is that we'll see major movements happening on Monday.


It's also the go-home show. If Raw doesn't end with Bryan standing tall and leading the nation of Canada in a frenzied symphony of YES, I'll join the Wyatt family.


    Originally posted by Chumpstain
    What all of this establishment is doing, all of these beatdowns and hiding behind the Shield and triumphant Orton poses at the end of the shows is accomplishing, is it's making people boo Orton. Watching any number of the shows over the past few weeks, Orton typically still gets cheers when he comes out, he'll get some cheers during his match, but by the end of the show he's managed to turn the crowd against himself. And the part I like the best, he's turning the crowd against himself without resorting to the usual "I hate each and every one of you" spiels that new heels give to the crowd. He's making himself despicable through his actions and not his words.


Yeah! The psychology changes for Orton have been good. Winning with cool RKO counters gets you cheered, so now he pokes someone in the eye or kicks their injured leg first. On Smackdown, he tried to jump Bryan and was immediately put in the Yeslock. So last night he didn't even come out until Bryan was KO'd.


    Originally posted by Texas Kelly
    Well, with Cody taking time off, him going over Damien Sandow twice has gone from making little sense to absolutely no sense whatsoever. We could have a strong-looking MITB who's a serious threat to either ADR or RVD (plus a "best for business" cover for HHH to justify Cody's "firing"); instead Sandow looks like a total jobber-chump for nothing and the only one who comes out of the mess looking good is (no surprise) HHH.


Well, also Cody. It's just a honeymoon, not a semester abroad, so I assume he'll be back in 2-3 weeks.


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    the McMahon-Helmsley era. I know for a lot people this was considered a great time, it wasn't. The wrestling was great most of the time, but the segments, booking decisions and rather incoherent storylines were dreadful.



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    Originally posted by Dr Unlikely
    The WWE has a Marvel comics sliding time scale, and everything that has ever happened in WWE history has happened since 1999 (the year Stephanie and Big Show first debuted).

    Or

    -Big Show and Andre are now the same character for storyline purposes.


I feel like both of these have to be true for it to totally make sense. Which would mean ... Cody Rhodes is his own father and his own brother. No wonder he's upset.
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#34 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.42
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
      Originally posted by El Nastio
      Toronto is on Monday, Ottawa on Friday (well, Tuesday). My prediction is that we'll see major movements happening on Monday.


    It's also the go-home show. If Raw doesn't end with Bryan standing tall and leading the nation of Canada in a frenzied symphony of YES, I'll join the Wyatt family.



Others said that Canada is bizzaro land, but go-home show might trump that. And to the others, lets get real; we love Daniel Bryan in Ottawa. Last time they were in town he was over, despite being an overt heel at the time.

Lots of Ziggler shirts then, and he was a heel.

I assure everyone here that we're going to be bringing the noise on Tuesday. And I'm sure Toronto will as well.

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#35 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.70
Another solid Raw.

I agree that they are doing a lot of this to cement Randy Orton as a heel. He does have a certain 'it' factor that makes people want to cheer him.

The confusing part was HHH having words with Paul Heyman.

Damien Sandow is the guy in plain black trunks. Just noticed this.

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#36 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.82
I've come to realize when there are guys I really like I would rather they not get that center of attention WWE push. I want to see them in engaging uppercard feuds, but I never enjoy them as much when they finally get to that level where they finally are making it big. It's not because I want to be the guy who liked them before they got there, but I just don't like the WWE's vision of what their main storylines should be.

(edited by BigDaddyLoco on 3.9.13 1805)
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#37 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.87
So, what are the odds Dusty's got an old Midnight Rider mask lying around the house somewhere?

The first time Bryan's getting beaten down and Cult of Personality hits the speakers, the pop is going to be INSANE.

What does Big Show think his job is? If he's tormented just being asked to wrestle regular matches and use his finishing maneuver...

And when did he and Daniel Bryan become friends? Bryan's only established friend has been Kane and he regularly tried to punch him in the face when they were tag teaming. The roster can be on Bryan's side without idolizing him or wanting to be his bestest buddy.

Ambrose is a better heel in ten seconds than Miz has been a face for his entire run.

I'm still mostly positive about the main event angle and direction. I just don't like the Big Show. I blame this week on all the people chanting for him last week.



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#38 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.11
You can't blame Big Show for being a better actor than the roster. To be fair, he has almost twenty years on them perfecting his craft. What you can blame them due to their stupidity is having Stephanie berate him that was ridiculous.

There is a lot of good ways they can go with this and there is a lot of bad things. For every fire Cody to God willing bring him back better there is Big Show being a giant crybaby or Bryan being a dick when any sane person not named Stone Cold would at least try to make allies. Shit, Rock lead a walk out and 3/4 of the roster hated his guts.



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#39 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.76
    Originally posted by GodEatGod
    So, what are the odds Dusty's got an old Midnight Rider mask lying around the house somewhere?



I think a cool spin on this idea would be for Cody to come back masquerading as Goldust, not Big Dust.



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#40 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.27
I don't buy an alternate universe theory. I really think that Stephanie just wants everyone to believe that she was 12 when she met the Big Show in 1999 so that she would now be 26 or so.

Of course, that would have made Test and Triple... never mind.
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