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I thought there was a lot of strong stuff on this show -- Bryan's push, Bryan's unanimous crowd support, Punk doing an angle out of the '80s -- but I must talk first about what has been called, incredibly, thepipebomb.com, AJ's startling CM Punk-esque verbal assault of all seven Total Divas. Not since Christy Hemme called Carmella Decesare a "cum-guzzling gutter slut" have I seen such vitriol. I want to go back and study every moment of this. AJ's mock shriek of excitement over the show. Her so thoroughly dismantling it that the crowd broke into an AJ chant. The Bellas SCREAMING at her nonstop through the whole thing. "All you do is skip!" The not very subtle or PG "suck ... up" implications about the Bellas, Ariane, and John Laurinaitis. Ariane throwing the pom-pom and looking like she was going to cry. Eva Marie and the Bellas' outraged mock skipping. JoJo ... being there. I think Vincent is going to try to fight AJ. I am emotionally spent.

Week 2 of Daniel Bryan went really well, I thought. All he does is beat everyone and get laid out by Randy Orton, not a bad gig. He didn't get to do the soy milk bath last week, but that vehicular destruction was right out of Austin 3:16 ... or the time Kofi did the same thing to Randy's last new car, the one the late great Ted DiBiase Jr. gave him.

Not sure how long it will take for Big Show to remember he has a no-cut contract and diplomatic immunity, but the heat is simmering to boil after two straight weeks of the deck stack. The table has been set perfectly for Big Show and Ziggler to have had enough, and it sounds like the audience is going to go nuts when the proletariat finally rises up. Actually, we know Daniel Bryan has been really over for a while, but it is pretty amazing how passionate the crowd has been for him; this angle might be working in a big way. We'll have to see how the ratings those Triple H are so proud of hold up -- this show was essentially headlined by Daniel Bryan vs. Seth Rollins, I mean, what can you even say -- but in the arenas, they've got a winner.

The fans are really behind Punk too. It's kind of a strange change of pace to have this show where the top two babyfaces are so well-liked. Since he came back in June, Punk and Heyman have done their own angle, and it's a wrestling angle, from back when there were just wrestling angles. They're getting main event heat for a feud where Curtis Axel is the heel opponent. The other two are so good and the angles was so well-laid out that he doesn't even need to do anything. Punk has carte blanche to do old school wrestling fantasy camp, and that means angles like this one. He's a babyface who sells a lot and gets beat down a lot and gets mad a lot, three things you haven't seen in a top WWE babyface (and not just Cena) in a long time. In a very related story, sentence 2 of this paragraph.

I liked the touch in the customary good long Christian vs. Orton match where Randy will now cheat for his customary RKO victory. Despite what he said, Christian had it pretty good in the McMahon-Helmsley Era, as I remember. But I guess he would still have lots of scars from the TLCs and Undertaker handicap matches.

I hope the Shield's explanation for joining Triple H is that they were really impressed with the new facility he built for developmental. "That's the only reason we've been doing all this. It was awful down there. Thanks."

I would be so glad if Ryback continued referring to himself as "the big guy" and kept acting like it was this affable nickname everyone had for him even though he's the only one who uses it.

Rosa Mendes, what.

Did you catch that? Los Matadores have an actual bull. SPOILER: it's not Rosa. It's a mini.

(edited by JustinShapiro on 27.8.13 0032)
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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.43
If Daniel Bryan wants to keep throwing shout-outs to his bro John Cena, he should've snuck an "RKO IS POOPY" on the car amidst all the YESes.

    Originally posted by J-Sharp
    I would be so glad if Ryback continued referring to himself as "the big guy" and kept acting like it was this affable nickname everyone had for him even though he's the only one who uses it.
YES! YES! YES!



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Following #TotalAJ's magnificent pipe bomb, it got nasty on Twitter too with the Bellas responses. Then Maria Kanellis got involved.






Maria now promises to finally blog (she has a regular column at divadirt.com) about just what exactly the Bellas did to sabotage her WWE return.

I maintain an ironic emotional detachment from the Daniel Bryan angle, enjoying it without investment. But man, am I the opposite with Heyman and Punk. Total emotional investment. "I LOVED YOU!!" "YOU BROKE MY HEART!!" Total commitment from those two, and Axel is a decent proxy fofor Heyman as someone for Punk to actually fight.

Meanwhile, RAW is a cowardly, terrified lot. It's like Hogwarts under the rule of Delores Umbridge. Daniel Bryan will have to form his own Dumbledore's Army, if only Show, Miz, and Dolph would locate their testicles.





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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.97
Serious 'storyline' question:

Why is Daniel Bryan getting a title shot? If 'The Boss' doesn't think he's worthy of being champ, why put him in the main event slot?



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    Originally posted by DirtyMikeSeaver
    Serious 'storyline' question:

    Why is Daniel Bryan getting a title shot? If 'The Boss' doesn't think he's worthy of being champ, why put him in the main event slot?


As the most recent former WWE Champion, he's entitled to a rematch. Also, The McMaHHHons understand Daniel Bryan is popular and liked and generates money for the company. They're fine with milking him for that, just not to go all the way with him as The Face of the Company. They've been pretty clear on that in storyline.

Oh, I thought Hunter's opening promo was tremendous smark trolling. Everything he said about Randy Orton as "the future", "the face of the company", "what YOU deserve" etc. is exactly what smarks want him to publicly announce about Daniel Bryan as the anointed chosen one who will replace John Cena. He said all the right things, but about a guy who's been around for 11 years and has had the title 11 times.

(edited by John Orquiola on 26.8.13 2107)


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Automatic rematch clause, they're legally bound. Otherwise Bryan could, uh, sue them, I guess.



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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.97
    Originally posted by John Orquiola
      Originally posted by DirtyMikeSeaver
      Serious 'storyline' question:

      Why is Daniel Bryan getting a title shot? If 'The Boss' doesn't think he's worthy of being champ, why put him in the main event slot?


    As the most recent former WWE Champion, he's entitled to a rematch. Also, The McMaHHHons understand Daniel Bryan is popular and liked and generates money for the company. They're fine with milking him for that, just not to go all the way with him as The Face of the Company. They've been pretty clear on that in storyline.

    Oh, I thought Hunter's opening promo was tremendous smark trolling. Everything he said about Randy Orton as "the future", "the face of the company", "what YOU deserve" etc. is exactly what smarks want him to publicly announce about Daniel Bryan as the anointed chosen one who will replace John Cena. He said all the right things, but about a guy who's been around for 11 years and has had the title 11 times.

    (edited by John Orquiola on 26.8.13 2107)


But they kinda really haven't. They have been pretty clear they see him as a 'B' player and in HHH promo, he attributed the ratings bump to Orton.

I guess it just seems strange that for a guy they screwed, they are pretty accomodating about having him main event again. Even the whole "He gets an automatic rematch", I'm pretty sure they could circumvent that (in storyline terms). All I'm saying is that it would be really weird if NOC was a straight one on one match. Like, why can't HHH book him that night in another guantlet match? Or make him the ref again? Maybe I'm 'thinking' too much, but that's one of my biggest pet peeves with the 'evil owner/GM' storyline.

"I pedigreed you and screwed you out of a title win, then orchestrated you getting beaten up by 4 guys two Mondays in a row, to the point I would fire people if they intervened... but BY GOD I will give you a fair rematch!"



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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.38
Interesting that Miz was featured in the interviews there at the end. His beef is with Fandango, whereas Mark Henry, who was not featured, has an actual beef with the Shield.

Did Del Rio forget that Cody Rhodes is no longer a heel while chatting to him there at the finish of the gauntlet match? Or was that supposed to foreshadow that when the Locker Room Uprising does happen, it'll be across face/heel lines?

Excellent show tonight, I thought. Everyone was just bringing it - even Triple H's opening promo had a fair bit of intensity. Plus we got two excellent matches!

I thought Zeb was going to make sideways remarks about Darren Young's orientation with his "Mrs. O'Neill and Mrs. Young" comment, but then it just turned out to be a Mama joke.
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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.83
LMAO at this tweet from Kofi about the "Yescalade":




Otherwise, another fun show. I thought they'd at least start a little bit of the rebellion tonight, but guess that'll be a slow burn. I figured they'd at least have someone go down after the match ended and try to say "Well, you said we couldn't help him during the gauntlet match ... the match was over." This would give HHH someone else to punish. Right now, there's nothing really to get more people involved other than the slow burn.

Only negative of the show -- Miz's new haircut. Dunno if that's new to today or if I just haven't noticed it, but man. Bad.
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Nice logical segment there with Christian. WWE usually doesn't remember its own history but it was logical to actually remember there was another "McMahon-Helmsley regime" back in the day, and Christian is one of the few veteran guys from those days still on the roster.


    Not sure how long it will take for Big Show to remember he has a no-cut contract and diplomatic immunity


THIS. At least have a backstage segment where the other faces are imploring Show to get involved, but he's on the fence due to his long-standing issues with Daniel Bryan. Follow up that Christian segment with another bit of logic, since right now the faces en masse look like cowards and Show just looks like an idiot.



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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.07
The Big Show thing is a bit silly, but remember they can still fire him- they just have to pay him a buttload of money. Even then, Show's gotta figure out soon firing him is throwing away money and thus...BAD FOR BUSINESS. Another guy who should be attacking is Mr. No Days Off. Think about it, can WWE fire their only openly gay wrestler for saving a guy from a 3-on-1 beatdown? They'd have to deal with GLAAD *and* Matt Lauer. WWE already pissed them off once with Billy & Chuck, they can't afford it again- bad for business.

Another way they should go is have some lower card guys who are never on TV except for when they have everyone stand on the ramp. It would fit Zack Ryder perfectly: he's already been Bryan'd, really doesn't have that much to lose. Same for guys like Hawkins and the other Ted DiBiase-types who we can't remember are employed or not. Have HHH fire them and they can run in from the crowd, do sneak attacks in the parking lot, etc. Ryder leading a motley crew of jobbers could get them over huge, although that makes the Ziggler/Henry crowd look like even bigger pussies. Too bad Cena wasn't around, he'd be the perfect guy to do the "rehire Zack or we'll all leave and start the Rock Wrestling Federation" thing.

ThePipebomb.com was a-mah-zing. Maybe it's just wishful thinking but since Paige is 21 now and they don't have to worry about her underage drinking AJ will lead her own Anti-Diva army.

It's kinda funny that Maria is responding to worked tweets with shoot comments.



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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.71
AJ owned it all tonight.

Show was awesome. I really thought Big Show was going to eventually punch HHH and the roster would rush the ring to stomp down the Shield.

Where are they going with Ryback?





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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.04
This is fun.

They certainly like the "defacing the heel's fancy car" bit when they want to get a plucky rebellious babyface over. The car's fate was sealed as soon as HHH introduced it. That spot was okay, and "Yescalade" was probably the best punch line in the voluminous history of WWE vehicular destruction. Just hope they keep in mind that when we say "shades of gray" we mean "three-dimensional characters" - not "all faces must have a petulant streak."
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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.38
If last week was a throwback to the Bad Old Days of the McMahon-Helmsley Era of 1999, tonight was a throwback to the Bad Old Days of COO Triple H circa 2011, right down to the emasculated roster. This was the same roster that once walked out and went on strike under Triple H. I had to watch Miz completely shake in his boots after watching him less than two years ago, take a baseball bat to the ring. It flies in the face of everything I've seen.

The highlight continues to be the endgame of making Bryan into the face of the company, but that line of reasoning can only excuse poor storytelling and uninspired rehashes for so long. Did we really need another car defacing angle, when even Kofi Kingston is pointing out on Twitter that this has been done? Do we need another handicap/gauntlet match? I want to give this the benefit of the doubt, but enough with the ham-fisted rehashes, already!

CM Punk remains conspicuous by his absence whenever the roster is assembled, as you can already start to put two and two together that he's Orton's next feud, once he polishes off Paul Heyman at NOC.

Want a real highlight of tonight's Raw? AJ ruled it! Thank God for AJ, to point out everything wrong with the Divas division as it's currently constituted. I don't know if she was given an opportunity to go off the cuff, but she nailed the insulting idea of continuing to focus on the insipid Bellas after she and Kaitlyn busted their asses to put on some of the best women's matches of the year. Of course, given the Bellas' connections, there's absolutely no way they come out on the losing end of any feud, which is a damn shame, because it completely validates everything AJ said, proving her point exactly.

I'm also really intrigued by a worked-shoot angle suddenly turning into a REAL shoot angle with Maria's Twitter comments. That needs to be a new thread in itself whenever she comes forward.

(edited by It's False on 27.8.13 0051)


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I think they've already forgotten that Big Show is supposed to be unfirable - which would remind you of his last heel turn in any event, something they probably want to minimize if he's going to be one of the main guys going against the McMahons.

Speaking of, I think all of the faces need to start gaining some traction next week. They've been shown up a bit too much in the last two weeks. I'm not saying that someone needs to come knock Randy Orton out in the middle of the ring, but maybe a real victory over the Shield or something.
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    Originally posted by Shapiro
    I hope the Shield's explanation for joining Triple H is that they were really impressed with the new facility he built for developmental. "That's the only reason we've been doing all this. It was awful down there. Thanks."


I still think Helmsley uses a lot of Game of Thrones ideas. The Shield are Sell Swords.

It is really hard to listen to Michael Cole give his reasons for Danial Bryan being the face of the company without hearing him scream "HE'S A NERD" over and over in the back of my head.

(edited by BigDaddyLoco on 27.8.13 0732)
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    Originally posted by It's False
    If last week was a throwback to the Bad Old Days of the McMahon-Helmsley Era of 1999, tonight was a throwback to the Bad Old Days of COO Triple H circa 2011, right down to the emasculated roster.


Just out of curiosity, last week you also called the Attitude Era the bad old days, when do you think the Good Old Days were?

    Originally posted by It's False
    Thank God for AJ, to point out everything wrong with the Divas division as it's currently constituted. I don't know if she was given an opportunity to go off the cuff


Very much doubt that.

    Originally posted by The COO on Grantland
    We're giving fans more access now and doing shows like Total Divas. But I laugh, like, when writers say "Oh, CM Punk laid the pipe bomb and lifted the fourth wall in a promo."31 So let me get this straight, you think we put him out on TV, he broke fucking everything we were supposed to do, and then sat down Indian-style and started blistering everybody, and we didn't think Let's take him off the air? If that would've been a shoot, it would've been off the air the second he started.


    Originally posted by It's False
    I'm also really intrigued by a worked-shoot angle suddenly turning into a REAL shoot angle with Maria's Twitter comments. That needs to be a new thread in itself whenever she comes forward.


Well, that I can pretty much guarantee.



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This is nothing like COO HHH circa 2011. Back then we were supposed to feel bad for HHH being walke dout on, like the entire roster was doing some sort of weird heel turn. Now this is building to these guys finally manning up and taking it to HHH and company. I really think you need a break from the product.
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I would be shocked if the writers remember Big Show has an iron clad contract. Christian bringing up McMahon-Helmsley makes me wonder if a certain wrestler who missed out on that era will return to end it at Wrestlemania. Christian and Edge's hay day was the Commissioner Foley era even though they help lay him out. If you look back on it, that was the most over they were as a team. Everyone that was not part of the McMahon-Helmsley faction was an after thought which I think is Christian's point.

If it wasn't for the amazing wrestling the McMahon-Helmsley era would be looked down as on of the worst. 20 minute promos that went nowhere. Bad booking decisions from one week to the next. You can thank Foley and Rock for that era as much as you can HHH. The wrestling really only got better in the midcard thanks to the Radicals showing up.

I get the feeling Maria maybe back with the company or realizes that making shoot comments gets her in the public eye again. Either way I'd rather have one Maria than a hundred Bellas even with the breast work. AJ is a star. You go girl! Oh that sound awful both in my head and seeing online.

(edited by lotjx on 27.8.13 0802)


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Fandango + Damien Sandow = Team Educated Feet.

AJ's promo and the possible hotshot angle mean nothing if the women can't wrestle. And the women. Can't. Wrestle. The WWE doesn't want wrestling women. They want models. Where the heck is Sara Del Rey? They can do certain spots, but the TV matches are short for a reason. I think it's smart to give AJ a stronger tweener position, but does she NEED this angle? Why didn't, say, Kaitlyn get this? Give that time and position to someone who could use the elevation.

Speaking of turning tweener and face, have we lost all the cool heels? Sandow continues to fall upward, eating pins week in and week out, and he doesn't have the kind of momentum he enjoyed after his debut. And Cody's campaign to be the uncrowned number-one contender only has meaning if Sandow cashes in the MITB within the next few weeks. And then it would only be to elevate Rhodes as a main-event performer.

All the belts belong to heels. That needs to change.





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