We'll see if it's a Ryback heel turn next Monday when they show the recap of what happened and if they playback the echoing 'feed me more' chant or the some stock shocking reveal sound effect package that sounds like it came from a reality show thingie they usually play.
And yes, a hot crowd of frenzied fans from all over the world will make RAW awesome.
Ziggler winning the belt and his reaction was golden, as if he already knows the editing team will drown out the actual sound.
Daniel Bryan hanging with the Brothers of Destruction WAS odd.
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I have to agree with the 'not a heel turn' reaction - this is no more a heel turn than Ryback hitting Henry with Santino, then dusting Santino off, asking if he's okay, then picking him up and throwing him at Henry.
The lovely Mrs. whatever started singing, "One of these things is not like the other..." when Bryant was in the ring with UT/Kane. I will be excited to see the Shield as tag team champs.
Great win for Ziggler. So happy for him.
Good catch on the Big E blast of AJ during his entrance. She no-sold it like a champ!
I was starting to worry if the mixed tag match was going to make it on or not the way the show was going. Loved the moves that they got in, but boy did that feel rushed. Wish I could've seen the Tons of Funk entrance on the big stage.
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I hope the Kid Brother Of Destruction makes it to TV.
Remember when Val Venis stole Dustin's wife, and then beat Dustin down on PPV and humiliated him and sitting watching it you just KNEW something had to give the next night in order to make it palatable/satisfying? And then Goldust returned on Raw?
That's WWE in a nutshell right now, without that sweet moment of "Shattered Dreams" hitting to make the pain worthwhile. They keep on doing the same damn thing again and again and again and every month there's that feeling of "surely they've got to do something different now" and every month they find some new way of prolonging the agony and doing enough to maintain their comfy profit margins without having to change anything up. It's just not a company for me any more, I guess.
Maybe the Taker *is* healthy enough to stick around for a few more matches? Whodathunkit?
There was so much in this thread, did anyone mention Jericho putting JBL's hat on him right in the middle of that vicious beatdown?
Cena was making with the ha-ha's all night, he was actually pretty funny when Mark Henry came out at the beginning.
Originally posted by ChumpstainI was excited to come into this thread and talk about a silly little thing that I thought people might miss while watching the show, how Big E Langston smacked AJ in the chest by accident during his entrance and she just laughed it off. But then the whole show just snowballed and in the end that seemed a very minor thing!
Well, I guess you have to do something big the night after Raw, because its the night after Raw. Still, it would be nice if something big did happen on the biggest ppv if the year. If we got a crowd like this every night it would devolve in to the impact zone. Just enjoy for what it is.
The Wee Baby Sheamus.Twitter: @realjoecarfley its a bit more toned down there. A bit.
Originally posted by whateverThe lovely Mrs. whatever
This always kills me.
I still have last year's post-Mania RAW on my DVR. The chants for Daniel Bryan and the reaction to Brock were fantastic.
This crowd showed how much fun pro wrestling can be when every second of a show isn't scripted. That crowd was vibrant and spontaneous and in the zone. They didn't want to be force-fed the angles. They rejected them. They saw the Ryback turn early but didn't see Ziggler's challenge coming. And they were DELIGHTED to be surprised in a way that made sense.
So was I. I was so wrapped up in what ADR would do on SmackDown that I didn't consider the MITB, and I was a nervous wreck during the match. When Ziggler didn't get the first pin, I reminded myself of Edge/Cena where the challenger didn't get the first pinfall. Then ADR hit a GORGEOUS enziguri and slapped on the armbar, and I was crushed. Ankle, Zig Zag, new champ. I loved it.
Would the audience have shit on Orton/Sheamus had the WWE not run a survey and then ignored it? I dunno. But it's that kind of lame booking that drives us mental, and the audience had the wherewithal to call them on it. And those guys didn't have a great match. But Wade sure did. Maybe I haven't seen enough of his matches, but the guy I saw last night was a main eventer. Apron neckbreaker? CACTUS JACK ELBOW? Miz carried his weight too, but Wade looked more impressive for closing the deal.
Cena played Bugs Bunny last night, seeming to set the tone. If he was going to break character and comment on angles, why should the audience behave themselves?
The Shield reminded us once again that Undertaker isn't getting much mic time at all since his comeback. The interruptions are becoming cliche.
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Originally posted by Chumpstain What does WWE have to do to keep crowds this invested for a whole year rather than a week or three after Wrestlemania? They need to figure that out and get on it, because watching the show tonight was just plain fun.
I would argue that they weren't invested in the show as much as much as they were invested in themselves. I love rowdy crowds, but they need to pay attention. Sheamus and Orton are killing each other and they chant RVD and Michael Cole. Mark Henry is splittin' wigs and mocking the very guy this crowd hates and they hum the Fandango song again. Pay attention, they were better early on, but the Miami crowd was smarter.
If every Wrestlemania now is going to feature a major rematch from a previous year's top card, I guess it's only fitting that every Raw After Wrestlemania will now feature a rematch of the crowd vs. the company.
Originally posted by Kei Posiskunk
Originally posted by JustinShapiroTwo amazing lines off mic:
Originally posted by Cena to HenryI'm going to dance
Originally posted by Orton to SheamusWhat's my line?
Randy said it so emphatically to disguise it, with the cadence like you'd say "that's MY belt."
Orton looked like he had PURE MURDER in his eyes when they started the "RAN-DY SAV-AGE" chant.
I think, or at least as I saw while it was happening, he was trying to figure out what they were chanting, since the Randy was easier to make out than the Savage. I'll spare both myself and all of you, but I really, really want to do a huge, minute-by-minute Zapruder Film-style breakdown of that whole segment to watch it unfold. The "MIKE CHIODA!" chant seems to be where things really took off, since it was a clear declaration of "we refuse to cheer for either guy, so..." that solidified the crowd's decision to troll the company after Cena opened the show trolling them.
It was fascinating to see the various reactions of people to an openly rebellious crowd. Cena obviously reveled in it, but he's been dealing with this for so long he's kind of his own special case. Sheamus seemed to love it and respond well to it, Orton is unreadable as a human being. JBL loved it, Cole turned back into prime NXT Cole, Lawler seemed to be the one getting all the Vince lines (once Lawler started acknowleding the crowd, it was clear they'd thrown up their hands in the back and told everyone to run with it). Tensai, of all people, really responded to it in the short time allowed, breaking out that rolling shoulderblock into the corner to stoke the crowd (and Cole's reaction seemed to be imply that nobody was expecting it). Jericho loved it (and, aside from the UT/Shield segment, seemed to get the only "crowd reacting as WWE intended the crowd to react" reaction), Henry seemed nervous about the whole thing (probably not helped by Cena cutting him off to goof on them and that weird finish) and Ryback was obviously supercharged by it, most likely knowing it'll never be like that again for him.
Originally posted by Kei PosiskunkI like when Cena actively trolls the smarkier segments of the crowd, but I can't quite put my finger on why.
It's because he's really good at it and who he naturally is (as I've said before, it's obvious nobody spends more time gleefully surfing the internet for John Cena shit talking than John Cena does), and because it's not canned. Well, it's kinda canned - he was doing the heel turn pun all last week, but huge credit to him for perfecting it with the "maybe I'll do a dance?" three-part build.
Originally posted by JustinShapiro
Originally posted by It's FalseThe only thing better than the theme was Fandango, beaten to a pulp and practically a corpse, still managing to hear Justin Roberts' announcement and get the wherewithal to grab the mic and eke out "It's......FAHN...DAHN...GOOOOOO..." That was the best visual of the night.
oh my god. completely overjoyed at that.
That was a pitch perfect rendition of a cartoon character getting blown up and still hitting the punchline. Johnny Curtis as Friz Freleng Looney Tunes heel is something I hope we can all agree is worth getting behind.
Originally posted by BigDaddyLocoI know it was hard Big Show, but kudos for not throwing that third chair.
I'm willing to bet he at least thought about it, but thought it best to take the heat he got for not doing it and get back stage so he could laugh.
Can we talk about the crowd's true greatest accomplishment? I want to know the exact moment where HHH decided it was better to lower himself to making his BIG MOMENT on SmackDown rather than go face whatever that crowd was going to do to him. There's zero doubt in my mind he as planning on going out there before the show started - especially with no Rock, Punk or Lesnar to steal any spotlight - and had to call an audible halfway through because he was afraid to do it without a team of audio producers to make sure he came out of it OK. Searching for the moment where he must have changed his mind and told the truck to slap together that half-assed "HHH on SmackDown!" graphic deserves it's own Zapruder rewatch podcast alone. I'm sad we didn't get to see him get publicly executed (and no "THIS BUSINESS!" chant), but knowing that he didn't get to do whatever $5 million self-adulation moment on Raw and has to save it for the b-show makes up for a lot.
As for the show itself, as nature intended, while a lot of great things happened - Fandango's theme going viral, the reaction to Ziggler and Barrett, Ryback being turned double face, the secret shaming of HHH - the only thing I'm giving the actual company credit for is Shield vs. Undertaker/Kane/Bryan. If that match happens at Extreme Rules, I kind of love it. First, UT deserves credit for actually going out there (considering even less insane crowds have given him problems in recent years) and having him work back-to-back PPVs is a genuine surprise. Plus, this is the only way that we'll ever get Bryan getting a rub from the Undertaker, so I'm all for taking what we can get here. Also, Undertaker and Ambrose having a cartoon face off is probably something worth watching by itself.
Originally posted by Dr UnlikelyI want to know the exact moment where HHH decided it was better to lower himself to making his BIG MOMENT on SmackDown rather than go face whatever that crowd was going to do to him.
You're crazy; if that happened, then the show would have some random throwaway match in an other packed and important show, like a 3MB trios match.
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Originally posted by Justin ShapiroOf course, ever since they've gotten especially hapless with the time, there are actually three Wrestlemania undercards: Mania itself, Raw the night after Wrestlemania where they put the cut matches on, and Backlash/XRules where they give everyone more time.
This still seems right after last night, though the post-WrestleMania RAW is also for the big angle everyone was expecting to happen on WrestleMania itself. More people saw Dolph cash in on RAW, but maybe more people would've been happier about how they spent their money if it happened a day before. I did not watch WrestleMania (something else was on), but it does seem like it was short on WrestleMania Moments (TM).
Next year, the night after WrestleMania, should John Cena find himself standing in the ring at the end of the night for any reason (likely!) and a large strong man enter the ring with unclear intentions, John Cena should definitely not try to make friends with that man. He's got his own streak going.
The WWE said the universe voted 77%-23% that Orton should fight Big Show. Did that influence who Show targeted last night? He chucked Sheamus, and he apparently was out of it for a long time. If he wanted Show so badly, he had a lot of time to go after him at ringside.
If the survey did affect the outcome, then, um, yea for listening to fans? Maybe? Even if it wasn't what they specifically solicited?
"To be the man, you gotta beat demands." -- The Lovely Mrs. Tracker
Nice post, I liked the recap of Benoit's WCW/WWE career alot. Most of that stuff I had forgotten about, it really puts the win last night in perspective. I think the biggest question right now is what is next on Benoit's plate.