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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.02
    Originally posted by JimBob Skeeter
    Anyone catch Jericho telling Fandango:

    "Don't say a word........dont' say anything........." and then groping Curtis's ankles to get his attention? You could even hear it in the replay and read Jericho's lips, too. You need to hold the mic up so my voice doesn't come thru, Junior!


Forgot about that future Botchamania moment. Jericho's voice really carries.



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#22 Posted on
This build is eerily similar to the Rock/Austin build for WM 17 where Austin kept saying over and over that he NEEDS to beat The Rock. Austin turned at Mania with the help of Vince to beat him because he couldn't beat him on his own.

As somebody said, though, I don't see Cena turning heel until somebody is there to replace him at the top. Orton is on his 2nd strike, so they're not getting behind him like that again. Ryback is too green and not ready to be the "face" of the company. Sheamus is right there, but I don't think he's over enough to be THE man.

It's a prime time for somebody to step up and break through, maybe even somebody we're completely overlooking. Who knows? Maybe Fandango will become the top face of the company within two years. Who would've thought at WM 12 after his match with Savio Vega that The Ringmaster would be winning the WWF Title and becoming the biggest star since Hogan?


Also on the show....Anybody see the similarities at how Fandango and Brodus Clay debuted? They aired a bunch of vignettes for weeks leading up to their eventual debuts a few weeks before Mania. However, the Brodus vignettes were of him as a killer and he ends up being a dancing fool - yet the Fandango vignettes were of him being a dancing fool yet it appears as if he's turning out to be a killer in the ring. I wonder if that was done on purpose.

I think the only stinker of the night was the Miz/Barrett match. I don't get why they had them have such a long match if they're really setting up for another match at Mania. I thought the HHH groin kick at the beginning of the match was going to lead to a quick loss for Barrett. He'd then have an excuse for a rematch, thus them having something at Mania. But that kick ended up meaning nothing in the match and Barrett ends up losing anyway after a long match.


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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.47
We all know they've been infuriatingly burying the secondary champs, but did Hunter need to *literally* kick Wade in the balls?

The Q&A ending was crazy-long but I did enjoy it because Rocky and Cena have treated their feud so seriously this time around. No "hashtag-trending-worldwide" rigamaroo, no silly jokes.

Chickbusters at Mania? AJ competing for the title on her home turf? I can get behind that.

    Originally posted by JimBob Skeeter
    Anyone catch Jericho telling Fandango:

    "Don't say a word........dont' say anything........." and then groping Curtis's ankles to get his attention? You could even hear it in the replay and read Jericho's lips, too. You need to hold the mic up so my voice doesn't come thru, Junior!


Maybe Chris was just singing "Watch Your Step" by Elvis Costello to him?
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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.73
    Originally posted by geemoney
    Wrestlemania also used to be the place where big storylines ended and new ones began. That's no longer the case, either. Like it or not, Wrestlemania has now become "let's try to top last year's record revenue for the show!" for WWE, not "let's use the Mania name to make new stars."


Isn't the idea behind Wrestlemania that everyone on the card already is a star? Isn't that what a supercard is? Sure, historically, major events happened (tag-teams broke up, people turned, titles changed hands) but I don't know that Mania ever was conceptually a show where they sat in a room and set a goal of taking a guy from down here to up here. Now, granted, that did happen, anyway. I'm thinking of Owen at X, Austin at 13. But mostly, the elevations occurred by virtue of wrestlers just taking it upon themselves to steal the show. They weren't necessarily positioned to elevate themselves per se so much as to just have a good match. Some examples of that would be Savage and Steamboat at III, Shawn/Razor at X, the TLC match, etc.

That being said, nowadays the supercard concept is basically dead due to wrestling being pathetically less star-driven than it has ever been before. Now the "star" is the Wrestlemania brand itself. So making it "elevation night" may actually make sense, since wrestlers today are really just supposed to be lucky to be on Mania, and are expected to put Mania over instead of be put over by being on it.



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#25 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.45
One thing I caught in last night's commentary that deserves spotlighting was Cole mentioning the expiration date on the MitB briefcase for (I think) the first time this year and maybe the first time since Ziggler won it. I don't know if that's to get us set up for the swerve of him immediately cashing it in, or just to remind us not to expect to see it used at Mania, but if they continue to say "July, July, July," something's probably up and someone may have actually gotten the OK on a plan AND timeline for it.



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#26 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.47
    Originally posted by CRZ
    One thing I caught in last night's commentary that deserves spotlighting was Cole mentioning the expiration date on the MitB briefcase for (I think) the first time this year and maybe the first time since Ziggler won it. I don't know if that's to get us set up for the swerve of him immediately cashing it in, or just to remind us not to expect to see it used at Mania, but if they continue to say "July, July, July," something's probably up and someone may have actually gotten the OK on a plan AND timeline for it.


Also WWE confirmed (presumably live at RAW last night) that the Money In The Bank PPV is in Philly this summer (it's been far too long since we got a PPV here!) and it goes on sale this weekend, so that might have been part of it as well.
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#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.59

When I first starting seeing the Fandango vignettes, I rolled my eyes, but I think WWE is actually doing a good "slow burn" in having him wait for his in-ring debut ... and if anyone can get him over, it's Jericho ...

While watching him last night, for whatever reason, I kept wanting to make comparisons to Goldust ...
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#28 Posted on | Instant Rating: 10.00
    Originally posted by CRZ
    One thing I caught in last night's commentary that deserves spotlighting was Cole mentioning the expiration date on the MitB briefcase for (I think) the first time this year and maybe the first time since Ziggler won it. I don't know if that's to get us set up for the swerve of him immediately cashing it in, or just to remind us not to expect to see it used at Mania, but if they continue to say "July, July, July," something's probably up and someone may have actually gotten the OK on a plan AND timeline for it.


Cole actually mentioned it on Smackdown weeks ago, but it was on, y'know, Smackdown and thus pretty much the same as not mentioning it at all.



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#29 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.63
    Originally posted by John Orquiola

    Plus I have a lot of Fandango jokes, like:

    I like that all of Fandango's dance partners are heels. In every town he goes, he finds a heel female ballroom dancer to join him on #RAW.

In your defense, I guess you didn't say GOOD jokes.

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#30 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.80
    Originally posted by Dr Unlikely
    Will they do it? Probably not. Especially because "I don't know, let's turn Orton heel and have him fight Cena again" seems like the easy out they think they're giving themselves.


Agreed, It's the same 'play it safe' mentality that thinks turning Ryback heel and feeding him to Cena is a good idea.
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#31 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.11
    Originally posted by Spiraling_Shape
    We all know they've been infuriatingly burying the secondary champs, but did Hunter need to *literally* kick Wade in the balls?
Sure. So that Wade has a reason to interfere in Hunter's match, allowing Brock to win, without Hunter having to lose clean.
    Originally posted by CRZ
    One thing I caught in last night's commentary that deserves spotlighting was Cole mentioning the expiration date on the MitB briefcase for (I think) the first time this year and maybe the first time since Ziggler won it. I don't know if that's to get us set up for the swerve of him immediately cashing it in, or just to remind us not to expect to see it used at Mania, but if they continue to say "July, July, July," something's probably up and someone may have actually gotten the OK on a plan AND timeline for it.
You've been FFing the commentators even more than I have. I've heard Cole mention it at least 3-4 times since Royal Rumble.I took it as "Don't forget that Ziggles will be important again, after the specialty acts (Rock, Brock & Taker) vanish again." They do have to get the belt off of Rock somehow.

But I'm notoriously bad at guessing their intentions. :-)
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#32 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.73
Not that I disagree with the need to position new people at/above Cena's level, but everyone talking about how they need to find someone who can take his place in regards to the Make A Wish Foundation are ignoring the fact that a lot of that is because of who Cena is, not just how he's been booked. John Cena hasn't just granted more Make A Wish Foundation wishes than any other celebrity because he's booked like a superman. He's granted that many wishes because he enjoys doing so and has the fortitude to do it. It's not exactly easy to go hang out with 300 different kids, knowing they're quite likely to die in the very near future. Even if someone else were at a position within the company to receive as many requests, there's no guarantee that they'd be capable of fulfilling them all.

By all reports, Cena is just that good. Someone on Reddit told a story about Cena hanging out in a box suite at Fenway Park and a 5 year old kid stood outside waiting to meet him. When Cena came outside, someone told him about the kid who had been waiting and he went over to talk to him. The kid freaked out and started crying and wouldn't even look at Cena. Cena tried to calm the kid down, but it wasn't working, so he got down on his knees and asked the kid what he could do to make the kid happy. That finally calmed the kid down and Cena talked to him for several minutes. The kid didn't have anything for Cena to autograph, so Cena took off his own hat, signed it and gave it to the kid. Cena is basically Superman regardless of booking and those are some big boots to fill. Punk may be superior to Cena in almost every aspect in-ring, but he wouldn't last a week in Cena's "spot".
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#33 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.20
I agree with InVerse. Though a lot of people, myself included, tire of the SuperCena booking, and though I think Cena's onscreen character is rather underhanded (without WWE necessarily deliberately booking him as such-- getting an immediate shot at the WWE Title the night Rey won it is an example), WWE not only has a good wrestler at the top, they've got a good man.



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#34 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.45
    Originally posted by Hogan's My Dad
    Someone is going to say something about "make-a-wish", merchandise, kids, and women, and thus, Cena will never turn heel for the next thousand years. I don't agree with it, but that's what someone says every time a heel turn is mentioned, so there ya go.
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#35 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.73
    Originally posted by CRZ
      Originally posted by Hogan's My Dad
      Someone is going to say something about "make-a-wish", merchandise, kids, and women, and thus, Cena will never turn heel for the next thousand years. I don't agree with it, but that's what someone says every time a heel turn is mentioned, so there ya go.
    Thanks again for being someone.

No idea what this means. But I still think those are poor reasons for Cena not to turn heel.





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#36 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.45
    Originally posted by Hogan's My Dad
    No idea what this means.
I'll send you a PM.

On another tangent, seeing Show in the ring popped this into my mind last night and tonight I finally have the source material and PhotoShop to make it reality:



Unfortunately, I can't unsee it now, really.



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#37 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.66
    Originally posted by ekedolphin
    WWE not only has a good wrestler at the top, they've got a good man.



His ex-wife might disagree with that. : )





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#38 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.79
Hat on.

I thought the important beats of the Rock/Cena deal were really good and well-performed, I just thought they could've done it in 1/3rd the time. Maybe it's best to think of everything on TV in March as fuel for the Wrestlemania video packages. Whether it's a good segment or not is immaterial, the question is whether it will sound good as a soundbite or clip fragment. Punk/Undertaker, for instance, looks blase' on TV and amazing in the Wrestlemania TV commercial.

Hat off.

    Originally posted by AlbySure
    Booker T's heel turn further foreshadowed by falsely declaring that he was the only guy in the panel to wrestle both Rock and Cena (lest we forget Mick Foley's participation in the 2007 Vengeance five-way main event... which Booker was also in).


This is a very important point, and Foley and Cena seemed to shoot each other a knowing eyebrow raise.

Hat on.

    Originally posted by Matt Tracker
    How many tag matches have Ziggler and Big E had? Two? And they get a title shot at Mania? OK.


Sometimes it pays to just ask!

Hat off.

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      Originally posted by John Orquiola
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        I pray to God his flying legdrop is called the Ballroom.


      Mirrorball.
    Ballroom Blitz.


According to the terminological overlap and patronymic naming system, it would have to be the Somewhere Jam, wouldn't it? Like the That's My Jam.

Hat on.

    Originally posted by MonteCarl
    Anybody see the similarities at how Fandango and Brodus Clay debuted? They aired a bunch of vignettes for weeks leading up to their eventual debuts a few weeks before Mania. However, the Brodus vignettes were of him as a killer and he ends up being a dancing fool - yet the Fandango vignettes were of him being a dancing fool yet it appears as if he's turning out to be a killer in the ring.


Ah, that's brilliant. I've gone from thinking that Jericho vs. Fandango was a delightful oddity to thinking it was ... good-good? Like genuinely very good. Fandango is awesome; he's a dancer but that seems tertiary or quaternary to him being a vicious, creepy narcissist. So much more Dirty Curty than Disco Inferno. Dirty Curty meets Mean Jericho, even.

Hat off.

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#39 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.35
    Originally posted by Tenken347
    As for the main event debate/promo/whatever, I thought it was mostly hot air until Cena went ahead and cut a blistering heel promo for five minutes in the middle of it. I missed that guy. Telling me that the real reason Cena wants this rematch so bad is because he doesn't accept that Rock beat him the first time, and that no matter how much he talks about respect, the fact is that he hates the Rock for what happened last year and want to absolutely ruin him this year, that's how you put heat on an angle.

I agree with the opinion that the Q&A segment, while too long, was highly effective for this very reason. I'm not saying this is foreshadowing a heel turn, but it did actually remind of when Kevin Kelly got Vince McMahon to snap right before Mania XIV and admit that he did not want Stone Cold to become champ.

And as others have mentioned, it's just generally good to see Cena not smirk at Rock the way he did last year.

I'm all for AJ vs. Kaitlyn at Mania, but how will it be done: one-on-one, seconding the teams in the tag title match, or (uh oh) adding them *to* the tag title match, making it a multi-title match.



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#40 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.80
    Originally posted by Mr Shh
    I'm all for AJ vs. Kaitlyn at Mania, but how will it be done: one-on-one, seconding the teams in the tag title match, or (uh oh) adding them *to* the tag title match, making it a multi-title match.


That would be interesting. If AJ wins the Diva title, and the guys win the tag title, that would give some momentum for Ziggler to target Del Rio with the MITB. And it would make the title the paramount concern in their angle. I like this.



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