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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.83
How was it an attempt to recapture Austin/McMahon? The character dynamics are completely different.

It IS an attempt at convincing people that Punk's going to be wrestling Austin at WrestleMania, but maybe WWE knows something we don't.
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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.76
    Originally posted by TheOldMan
    Hell in a Cell is not the sort of gimmick match where you can work around an injury, unless you want to challenge HHH/Taker II(I) for the "least usage of the Cell gimmick ever" award.


Or Foley/Taker for "most memorable moment in the Cell" which was also a result of working around an injury.

Maybe that's how Punk can finally gain respect, top Foley's cage dive and then actually win the match. If he's not dead.
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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.40
I just saw Punk elbow that guy on Twitter this morning... uh-oh...

    Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco
    The best part of their act (other than the matches) is when they stop yelling at each other and talk to one another like Kane and Danial Bryan.


The only thing I don't like about Team Hell No is when Kane completely drops the gravel out of his "Kane voice" and talks like Glenn Jacobs.

Arnold had some pretty amusing tweets as the "celebrity tweeter," interacting with Otunga and Ziggler along the way...





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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.35
I saw the Punk/Vince promo which was pretty great until Vince wanted a match, I realized at that point, they have absolutely no idea what they want to do with Punk. Saw Cena shout something about Punk's legacy in the rewind and again realized they have no idea how to use Punk. Wade/Sheamus was a great match until Tensai, christ, Tensai came in and gave the worst looking punches of all time. I know its hard to follow actual brawlers, but it was comical. I have no idea why Big Show is feuding with Sheamus.

It does amaze me when this company starts thinking, they have problems, Vince goes straight to himself. Not turn Punk back to being face and turning Cena which if he has been listening to the fans for the last I don't know 5 years is what they want. An evil Cena, they can boo and build faces around to draw I don't money. Since the McMahons seem to blowing through it to get Linda elected. It also doesn't help that Vince just beat up the world champ. This is not Vince 14 years ago in 1998 when he came out and looked ripped. This is a senior citizen that has no business being in that ring. Yet, in Vince's world, he is the star that the WWE Universe needs not deserves.



The Wee Baby Sheamus.Twitter: @realjoecarfley its a bit more toned down there. A bit.
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#25 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.83
Punk is not the face of the company they need. He doesn't want to be the face of the company, he doesn't need to be the face of the company, and the fact that he (probably justifiably) smacked a guy in the mouth last night kind of indicates he's not got the character they're looking for.

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#26 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.42
I want to think the camera shaking was legit and not crafted by the cameraman. That audience was INSANE. Punk is delivering like crazy.

The shot of Sheamus in the ring, staggering but game for a fight, is the most interesting thing they've done with him in a year.

(edited by Matt Tracker on 9.10.12 0623)


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#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.35
    Originally posted by Amos Cochran
    Punk is not the face of the company they need. He doesn't want to be the face of the company, he doesn't need to be the face of the company, and the fact that he (probably justifiably) smacked a guy in the mouth last night kind of indicates he's not got the character they're looking for.




So, squeaky clean Cena is? Punk doesn't want to be the face of the company, because he knows Cena is. If the ratings are down look in the mirror, John. And its not just last week, its been this way for awhile. I would say after they had Cena go over Brock or when they went to three hours. Yeah, Punk punching the fan is not a good thing, but if he wasn't a heel do you think the fans would have tried him?



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#28 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.89
    Originally posted by lotjx
    It does amaze me when this company starts thinking, they have problems, Vince goes straight to himself. Not turn Punk back to being face and turning Cena which if he has been listening to the fans for the last I don't know 5 years is what they want. An evil Cena, they can boo and build faces around to draw I don't money. Since the McMahons seem to blowing through it to get Linda elected. It also doesn't help that Vince just beat up the world champ. This is not Vince 14 years ago in 1998 when he came out and looked ripped. This is a senior citizen that has no business being in that ring. Yet, in Vince's world, he is the star that the WWE Universe needs not deserves.


What Raw have YOU been watching that you think it would possibly even REMOTELY be a good idea to make John Cena evil? Because, I don't know about you, but the loudest cheers I heard last night was when John Cena and Ryback came down to confront Punk.
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#29 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.24
Sheamus drives me crazy. I want to hate the guy because of his awful 'aw shucks fella' personality in interviews. Then he comes out and brings the clobberin' in matches like this and I want to like him. So frustrating.

That was quite the pie face at the end by Punk. I would have loved to have known what that guy was thinking when it went down.



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#30 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.30
    Originally posted by thecubsfan
    every time Cena does one of those bits where he jokes on whatever else is going on, it's so terrible. Consistently terrible. Reliably terrible. I couldn't tell if Cena remembered he was not a fan of Eve or if he just been generally behaving like he does.

I genuinely think Cena spends an hour before Raw sometimes just going on wrestling message boards to find a weird line or two to insert in there as a goofy trolling/"I know you know I know what you all think" move. There are times when he's pretty much Kevin Nash if Kevin Nash knew how to set up a wireless router and had a tumblr.

I hope Little Jimmy going through puberty is setting up Truth vs. Cena II, since this should mean that Little Jimmy now hates Cena.

Really liked what we got of Barrett/Sheamus, further proof that Sheamus is capable of great things when they let him brawl and stop with the horrible comedy. Very disappointed, though, that they had Barrett and Show within ten feet of each other in a match that was going to end with Show interfering and it didn't involve Barrett taking a swing at him. That kind of match would have been a great opportunity to take Barrett into a real place of his own as a guy who just fights people and would have given them the obvious Sheamus/Barrett vs. Show/Tensai match they'll wish they'd set up anyway.

I should have hated everything about that main event, and there were indeed many things I did hate about it: I don't want to see Vince fighting, I don't want to see the champ giving anything to an even older guy than the last one, I don't want to see the asshole rich guy promoted as the face, I don't want to see them sell a match on a "Vince could have a heart attack just like Jerry Lawler did, so stick around!" premise, I don't want to hear "HHH!" getting thrown in with Andre and Austin and Bret and HBK as "people the world champion can never hope to be" and so on. But man, that crowd was as hot as any in a long, long time and they took that thing up another level. Punk letting himself get tossed over the desk and then Vince - who once destroyed both of his own legs trying to slide into the ring - diving over after him was crazy, and I thought they did a fine enough job having Punk intentionally overdo the begging off spot to set up the nutshot as a tribute to Flair/indication that he was never genuinely worried. And then Ryback finally getting his hands on Punk was, as I expected, a huge moment. I dunno, I hated the premise of pretty much the whole thing, but Punk and Vince are both obviously smart enough to know how to get everything potentially good out of it when they know they have a crowd that actually wants to be entertained.

This might have been Heyman's finest low key performance yet, by the way. I kinda loved the way he kept quietly babbling about Punk actually having gone too far for the first two thirds of the show. Perfect reaction for the sports entertainment agent version of Paul Heyman.

On Punk and the fan thing, who knows what will happen, but they are truly insane if they thought it was a smart idea to send a guy who just spent weeks doing every trick in the book to antagonize the fans (and is that good at it) up into the crowd without security there first. Also, Punk's current final tweet coincidentally being "Hands of stone" = hilarious.
    Originally posted by Amos Cochran
    Punk is not the face of the company they need. He doesn't want to be the face of the company, he doesn't need to be the face of the company, and the fact that he (probably justifiably) smacked a guy in the mouth last night kind of indicates he's not got the character they're looking for.
Taking the fan punch out of the equation (again, they would have been smart enough not to send Jake Roberts into the crowd after he slapped Elizabeth or Michaels after the screwjob without making sure they had it under control), I think Punk is sort of the face they need, in that he's the guy on the roster closest in persona to the fanbase they lost and want back without knowing how to get back. But as I got into above, there's always the argument that John Cena the Person is the fan base they lost when they went all in on John Cena the Character, and the real answer still continues to rest in the idea of being smart enough to find a way to dynamically tweak Cena's act into something new and exciting. They won't do it because they're either afraid or just don't know how to do it, but it can be done and here's hoping that changing things around on the writing end leads to them finding some creative confidence.
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#31 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.95
Here's video of Punk in the crowd (skip to about 20 seconds in):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAniQ0L2S3U

Looks like he was getting jostled around by a couple different guys. We can see him shove away some dude, who then comes back w/ a p. good push from behind on Punk. Then the dude in the black shirt either gets pushed into Punk or feigns getting pushed into him, followed up by a dude in a white shirt (behind black shirt dude) pushing the back of Punk's head, which is what finally set Punk off.

Ideally, you don't want the wrestlers getting into it physically w/ the fans, but you could make a very good case for Punk defending himself, as he's got people pushing him from behind on the stairs.



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#32 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.48
    Originally posted by thecubsfan

    AJ went from being all over the show to being in one short, nonsense bit.


It doesn't take Dr. Shelby to diagnose why (or the lack of why) I didn't care for this episode of RAW one bit.



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#33 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.70
    Originally posted by Matt Tracker
    I want to think the camera shaking was legit and not crafted by the cameraman. That audience was INSANE. Punk is delivering like crazy.

    The shot of Sheamus in the ring, staggering but game for a fight, is the most interesting thing they've done with him in a year.

    (edited by Matt Tracker on 9.10.12 0623)


Wouldn't shock me if we find out Sheamus has a concussion. He hit the back of his head HARD on the floor last night.
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#34 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.74
    Originally posted by Hokienautic

    Wouldn't shock me if we find out Sheamus has a concussion. He hit the back of his head HARD on the floor last night.


That would mark yet another legit injury on Big Show's watch.



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#35 Posted on | Instant Rating: 10.00

"umm, thank you Primo & Epico ... we appreciate what you've done ... we just don't view you as a big part of our revamped tag team division."
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#36 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.48
    Originally posted by Mayhem

    "umm, thank you Primo & Epico ... we appreciate what you've done ... we just don't view you as a big part of our revamped tag team division."


Right, but we also had JBL on the mic constantly talking up how Primo and Epico are former WWE and Puerto Rican tag team champions, so The Ryback beating both was an awesome achievement. So, I mean, they kind of, sort of protected Epico and Primo during the squash.

(edited by John Orquiola on 9.10.12 1146)


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#37 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.73
    Originally posted by Dr Unlikely
    I should have hated everything about that main event, and there were indeed many things I did hate about it: I don't want to see Vince fighting, I don't want to see the champ giving anything to an even older guy than the last one, I don't want to see the asshole rich guy promoted as the face, I don't want to see them sell a match on a "Vince could have a heart attack just like Jerry Lawler did, so stick around!" premise, I don't want to hear "HHH!" getting thrown in with Andre and Austin and Bret and HBK as "people the world champion can never hope to be" and so on. But man, that crowd was as hot as any in a long, long time and they took that thing up another level. Punk letting himself get tossed over the desk and then Vince - who once destroyed both of his own legs trying to slide into the ring - diving over after him was crazy, and I thought they did a fine enough job having Punk intentionally overdo the begging off spot to set up the nutshot as a tribute to Flair/indication that he was never genuinely worried. And then Ryback finally getting his hands on Punk was, as I expected, a huge moment. I dunno, I hated the premise of pretty much the whole thing, but Punk and Vince are both obviously smart enough to know how to get everything potentially good out of it when they know they have a crowd that actually wants to be entertained.


Great 'graph. This definitely goes on the "best Vince matches" DVD. I definitely didn't think he was capable of having a great Vince match (which is indeed a thing) like that anymore. And presumably he never will again. Maybe.

Plus all night I was 100% expecting (and was pre-emptively annoyed) that the finish was going to be Cena throwing Punk into Ryback's That Move, letting Vince win, making Punk so furious that he'd accept HIAC. So that part not happening made it even better.

(edited by JustinShapiro on 9.10.12 1612)
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#38 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.74
Vince equals slightly higher ratings...sort of.


    WWE Raw on Monday, October 8 scored a 2.78 rating for all three hours, up ten percent from an alarmingly-low 2.54 rating last week.

    The rounded 2.8 rating was the highest in three weeks, but still below the beginning of September when Raw rounded to a 2.9 opposite the first few games of the NFL regular season.

    - Raw averaged 4.07 million viewers, which was up 17 percent from last week's year-low average of 3.50 million viewers. It was the most viewers in four weeks, but also below the beginning of September.

    The hourly pattern was Raw peaked in the new first hour with an average of 4.19 million viewers for John Cena's return and Vince McMahon's advertised speech, dipped to 4.067 million second hour viewers, and stayed about the same with 4.065 million third hour viewers.

    It took more than two hours for Raw to get from the McMahon-C.M. Punk confrontation to their "fight" at the end of the show, which led to stagnant viewership during the final two hours of Raw.


In other words, people tuned in for the first half-hour and switched it over to Monday Night Football.

It can't be a good sign that they didn't get a boost from the overrun.

(edited by It's False on 9.10.12 1653)


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#39 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.29
    Originally posted by Dr Unlikely


    Really liked what we got of Barrett/Sheamus, further proof that Sheamus is capable of great things when they let him brawl and stop with the horrible comedy. Very disappointed, though, that they had Barrett and Show within ten feet of each other in a match that was going to end with Show interfering and it didn't involve Barrett taking a swing at him. That kind of match would have been a great opportunity to take Barrett into a real place of his own as a guy who just fights people and would have given them the obvious Sheamus/Barrett vs. Show/Tensai match they'll wish they'd set up anyway.


TNA would have given this match a clean finish and both guys would have gained more from it. You can still do the run ins and advancement after the match. Non finishes are a downer with most quality Raw matches 'it was a really good match, but ...'

(edited by BigDaddyLoco on 10.10.12 0722)
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#40 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.70
    Originally posted by It's False
    Vince equals slightly higher ratings...sort of.


      WWE Raw on Monday, October 8 scored a 2.78 rating for all three hours, up ten percent from an alarmingly-low 2.54 rating last week.

      The rounded 2.8 rating was the highest in three weeks, but still below the beginning of September when Raw rounded to a 2.9 opposite the first few games of the NFL regular season.

      - Raw averaged 4.07 million viewers, which was up 17 percent from last week's year-low average of 3.50 million viewers. It was the most viewers in four weeks, but also below the beginning of September.

      The hourly pattern was Raw peaked in the new first hour with an average of 4.19 million viewers for John Cena's return and Vince McMahon's advertised speech, dipped to 4.067 million second hour viewers, and stayed about the same with 4.065 million third hour viewers.

      It took more than two hours for Raw to get from the McMahon-C.M. Punk confrontation to their "fight" at the end of the show, which led to stagnant viewership during the final two hours of Raw.


    In other words, people tuned in for the first half-hour and switched it over to Monday Night Football.

    It can't be a good sign that they didn't get a boost from the overrun.

    (edited by It's False on 9.10.12 1653)


MNF had a hyped New York team against the unbeaten Houston Texans (and Houston is the 4th-5th biggest TV market in America), plus you had the Yankees in a playoff game. No surprise that RAW's ratings didn't get much of a bump.



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