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Since: 19.1.02
From: Minnesota

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#1 Posted on
Credit where credit is due. Tonight was a very entertaining RAW for me. On the plus side as well: They finally seemingly wrapped up all the necrophilia crap.


-Elimination Chamber: Sounds like a good match and concept...probably. Ohh...Bischoff said "War Games". JR did too! Hold yourselves back!

-Scott Stiener: It appears at this point that he'll wind up on RAW which is probably the best move.

-The opening promo: Funny little skit with the Hurricane, it could have been shorter, but at least they had fun with it this time.

-Nowinkski/Al: I'm actually enjoying the build for this feud.

-Randy News Network: Cute skit. It'll get old fast.

-Test: Test is in an angle that entertains me for the first time since he and Shane were fighting. Good for him.

-Three Minutes and Rico: They're finally giving them something else to do, which is nice.

-The Main Event: Kane beats HHH in a gimmick match, and HBK makes his return to TV. Crowd was dead, match was a bit slow, but if it ends the stupid angle they're running and brings Shawn back in, hey, works for me.


-Come on, would you just tell us who the Smackdown guys you got were, already?

-Tag Team Wrestling: I'm starting to get tired of some of the teams they've made. I really do hope they keep at it though, because some tag wrestling is better than NO tag wrestling.

-GT...I mean KidC...I mean BT...I mean FTV. Eh. SOME entertainment can come from this. Not bunches though.

-Molly/Jackie/Trish: I guess my standards for WWE women's wrestling have gotten too high lately.

Credit where credit is due. I really had a good time watching RAW tonight for the first time in a while.

I should have listened to spf2119 about HHH because he is the smartest Wiener around.

Since everyone else is doing it (ok, not EVERYONE, but...)

Vikings (2-5) - It's time to sweep! 11-5 baby! (Okay, maybe not.)
Badgers (6-3) - Well, we won one. Thanks for playing poorly Michigan State!
Buffy 7.5 earns a 9 out of 10 because Anya is really damn cool this season. The flashbacks were funny (another musical, Joss?). The continuity from past seasons was tremendous, and just about everything else clicked for me. Plus! Barely any Dawn!
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Since: 22.4.02
From: New Hampshire

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#2 Posted on
Well, the opening segment had me dying of laughter. Especially by the fact that they actually changed masks to fit the mood of what was getting pulled out. I don't know why I liked this one so much more than last week's... maybe it was because it was deliberately over-the-top? Then again, that probably means I could SEE HHH fucking a mannequin...

Today's Out-Of-Context Quote, Courtesy of Fuzzy Logic:

"I want to have JR's lovechild."
Evil Antler God
Potato korv

Since: 10.1.02

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#3 Posted on
it was the fact that the masks were HHH's actual "roar, I am He-Man" faces that got to me
Boudin rouge

Since: 5.10.02

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#4 Posted on
yeah,it was the masks.

Mattitude(ma't-e-toodeh'): Mattitude, is something that can not be taught or learned. Mattitude is something that burns within. In the ring, Mattitude is the intangible, the x-factor, that gives Matt Hardy Ver.1 an advantage over everyone else.

Shin Strife has Mattitude...
"Do YOU?"
Lap cheong

Since: 7.1.02
From: Birmingham, AL

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#5 Posted on
Better, not great, but better.

Once again, I thought their were some good moments in the Katie Vick segment. But it was WAY too long. Once again, there has to be some quality control, not everything they are writing is near gold, yet it all seems to make it in. If they cut segments like that by 70-85 percent, they may have put a segment that would be considered entertaining by more people. As it was, it was hit and miss, with more misses than hits. (the masks were actually LOL funny!)

But the positive thing is I think this is the end of Katie Vick. And judging by the crowd reaction that was more dead than Katie, it hasn't come a moment too soon.

Rest of the show was decent enough. I thought for a little bit that Trish Stratus might be Buh-Buh's partner, but was wrong. Eh.

Randy Orton, now that's good stuff.

Outside of the dead crowd, I actually thought the Kane/Triple H match was decent, almost surprisingly so.

(edited by ges7184 on 28.10.02 2245)

Since: 12.2.02
From: Parts unknown

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#6 Posted on
Way to go JR and Lawler for shilling a NON-TITLE match while giving the brush-off for the Women's title match. Now it is official: Trish got the title so we can see her take her clothes off. Grr.

"Business has just picked up" says JR. Then right on cue, Molly enters the arena! Never was JR any better in introducing someone. --Raw 7/15

You want the title? Keep your clothes on!!!
Mr Heel II
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Since: 25.2.02

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#7 Posted on
“Comedy is not pretty” – Steve Martin

It sure seems like they decided to take the necrophilia angle in a totally goofy direction after realizing they weren’t getting any gratuitous publicity out of it, and realizing they may have actually alienated what is left of their fan base. So we get this Joel Hodgson-esque goofy operating room segment, complete with the dreaded hand, probably Vince’s “fuck you” to us dreaded Internet folk. The sledgehammer was perfect, but the whole thing wore thin a lot quicker than they ran out of items.

Test is best in a goofy gimmick because he’s such a goofy looking bastard, and it was worth the whole show to hear him do the testacle line in the middle of the ring. That was the most interesting thing I’ve seen him do since he used to bug Albert to shave his back. And even if he balked and never did it again, he is as stuck with this as Terry Taylor is with Red Rooster. Think he’s sorry that he didn’t cut his hair NOW?

I suppose I was the only one underwhelmed when Jeff Hardy was Bubba Ray’s mystery partner. Yes, I was hoping to find out D-Von had been traded.

Decent show overall. I should be bugged that I seem to remember a lot more about the skits than the matches, but that seems to be what I’m supposed to do in Vince’s world.
Potato korv

Since: 29.4.02
From: Jax, FL

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#8 Posted on
Was I the only person waiting for a HBK-esque back body drop on HHH onto the casket tonight? Not that I want to see him get hurt, I swear!
I found Raw to be as entertaining as it could muster. I thought the Hurricane/HHH altercation was funny... until it went on... and on... and on. Thank god for the looks on those masks or I might have thought about switching the channel.
They've got me interested in where Al Snow and Nowinski are headed, and thats good enough for me right now.
I've already mentioned in another thread my thoughts on the Chamber of Elimination / Elimination Chamber, but I feel it is gonna rock the house.
Final thought, HBK appearing and superkicking HHH made my night! God bless you Shawn.
Aphrodites Reflection

Since: 18.6.02
From: Atlanta GA

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#9 Posted on
I like the way they had a nice long commerical advertising the "best sports entertainment". Go see Smackdown, live! I know they have had advertising for the rival brand for a while now, but the way this commerical went, it got a smile out of me.

The show itself was pretty solid. Triple H's opening promo was good. We all know people, on this board no less, who have pledged to "stop watching RAW", and Triple H was dead on with his comments playing the heel. Considering the taped footage of the last few weeks, this one was pretty funny without being too much.

I am really enjoying the direction of Nowinski's character. I realize it is a work, but even so the "I didn't need you to get here and I don't need you now" really rings true, and that adds something to his arrogance and his persona.

Having Bischoff angry at his stable for hire adds realism and depth to his character.

Something about Golddust appealing to the crowd on which person to give the golden globes to just worked quite well.

I have to admit that even though I am a fan of Kane, the
main event failed to hold my interest. I'm glad Kane finally got a win over Triple H, but it just wasn't satisfying. Maybe this is nitpicking, but Kane is the man who fought off three other tag teams to win the tag titles singlehandedly, and now he needs Shawn Michaels to beat Triple H? Come on.

If you want me to believe that Kane is SOOOO filled with rage at Triple H, why does he not use a single dirty tactic in a no DQ match? I guess that things just don't work that way in the wrestling match, but if I were falsely accused of being a necrophilliac murderer and got a no DQ match, you'd better believe I would use every foreign object and dirty trick I could think of. Oh well.

Other than that, good show.

Since: 12.10.02
From: Canada

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#10 Posted on
Kane ... Meet Chris Jericho and Rob Van Dam. Your career has officialy been killed by Triple H.

Since: 28.7.02

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#11 Posted on
I liked Raw too, actually. They actually seem to be going somewhere. Between the sick bits and funny bits, I was wondering "Are they sure they let Vinnie Ru go?" The angles were good, the wrestling was good, and everyone played their role perfectly. Steiner would fit in perfect right now, esp. as a heel. Usually at Survivor Series, the WWE puts the belt on someone they've been eyeing for a while. Rock and Big Show are the ones I remember. This year? Booker T becomes the 6 time(x 6) "World" champ. Then Steiner comes out(or possibly on Raw) and goes after Booker T. Bam, hot feud for the Raw World title. Smackdown got there first, but I think Raw is *finally* finding it's stride. Here's hoping they keep it up.

Since: 12.10.02
From: Canada

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#12 Posted on
You think anyone outside of Triple H (and his bum buddy HBK) is going to get a legit push on RAW? Hahahahahaha. I'll believe when I see it.
The 5th Horseman

Since: 23.10.02
From: Myrtle Beach, South Carolina

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#13 Posted on
- I liked the Hurricane video of HHH (especially the look on that mask) in the hospital but, they did drag it on too long.

- The HHH vs. Katie Vick mannequin match was unfortunately better than some of the recent RAW matches. But, the Katie Vick mannequin obviously took selling lessons from the Undertaker.

- I thought they were setting up a D-Von and Bubba Dudley Boyz reunion for the Tag title match. They could have claimed that D-Von was traded for the Big Show.
Shem the Penman

Since: 16.1.02
From: The Off-Center of the Universe (aka Philadelphia)

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#14 Posted on
The Test angle might actually be fun -- you could get some good comedy out of a dumb heel who has an even dumber manager. Stacey threw the weakest ballshot ever, though. Someone tell her to go take lessons from Ric Flair.

So Kane finally gets to beat Triple H -- and all he does is hit his pyro and leave so we can watch HBK celebrate for a couple minutes. Okay, I guess we know whose feud is REALLY important. (And no, it's not the guy who can work more than one match every couple months.)

Gripes aside, I actually liked tonight's Raw -- as compared to the Raws I've had to sit through for the last few weeks. It felt like a good Russo-booked show (if there is such a thing): the emphasis was definitely still more on angles and gimmicks than wrestling, but at least the gimmicks were amusing. And there were a couple of decent matches, which is more than Russo usually gave out.

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Since: 2.1.02
From: Stafford, VA

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#15 Posted on
I noticed that Stacy's knees are weird lookin and her butt has a few stretch marks on it.

I also noticed that Test got a damn good pop for greeting his testicles. Russoesque booking still has it's place in the undercard.

I also noticed that RVD/Dreamer vs. Storm/Regal was a descent match, albeit nothing more than an RVD spotfest. Wonder why RVD's push is dying? 1. Look at what happened to Storm's face, and 2. Even though he's a magnificent athlete, a lot of his matches are usually limited to just a spotfest. Stepover Heelkick, back kick, Five star, yadda yadda yadda. Even Rey Mysterio throws in some basic offense every now and then.

I noticed that not too many people really cared about Kane/HHH. I sorta think that this was supposed to happen some other time, and the inclusion of the Casket just reminded people of what should be forgotten for good.

In the name of good taste, I will no longer say anything about people who run wrestling websites and cats.
It's False

Since: 20.6.02
From: I am the Tag Team Champions!

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#16 Posted on
Let's take a look at tonight's Raw from the P.O.V of It's False.

-The Tag Title Match: Jeff Hardy has clearly outlived his usefulness to the singles ranks, so keep this man in tag matches like he was meant to be. Example: tonight's match. Good stuff, even though the ending matches the ending to ANY Jericho match these days (pinfall via beltshot). It's just a shame that Bubba's stuck with feuding with The Island Boyz, but if he can give them their first good match like he did with Brock, more power to him.

-This is RNN: If they can keep chugging out over-the-top vignettes for Randy Orton, he'll easily become THE reason to watch Raw in 2003 once he comes back.

-HBK Returns: He salvaged a bad casket match with his presence alone and he'll probably save what's looking like a BAD Survivor Series. Some will complain that it'll feed his ego, but screw that. HBK can still bring it, unlike HHH, so I'll gladly take his ego.

-Testicles Sucks Balls: Like I said in another thread, this is just SO bad and juvenile that it reeks of Russoness. His match with Goldust didn't help him redeem himself either. Whatever happened to him being depushed?

-Opening Promo: No need to go into further detail on this one.

-Casket Match: Ditto.

-F-View: Did Eric Bischoff steal the Kidcam?! (I have a feeling I'll be the only one making that reference.)

Could have been a lot worse than what it was, but this was actually one of the better Raws of recent weeks.

Of course, that's not saying much.

"See Nash, you can wear any Halloween costume you want to, but you know and I know that you're only half the man that I am - and I have half the brain that you do."

Ah, I miss Sid. So much endless material.

Since: 29.5.02

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#17 Posted on

    Originally posted by It's False
    This is RNN: If they can keep chugging out over-the-top vignettes for Randy Orton, he'll easily become THE reason to watch Raw in 2003 once he comes back.

Am I teh only one who thinks it's really funny that after all the naysaying about Orton's Rocky push, it's actually working?

There were a TON of Russo style inside jokes/overtones, from the moment that hand came out of "Triple H." The "F-View" comes to mind, Shawn in the casket match (the back injury occured in a casket match, right?) Maybe I was reading into it too much.

Since: 2.1.02

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#18 Posted on
Random Raw Thoughts:

The only funny part of the opening segment was "HHH" changing expressions.

RNN was funny. So was "Testicles." Nothing beats Mattitude, though.

The Tag-Team title match was alright. I was expecting Booker T to be Bubba's partner though.

I liked that Steiner promo. They played his old siren music.

The Elimination Chamber sounds like fun.

Another good Batista promo.

Shawn Michaels saved the main event.

Overall, a better RAW than the last few weeks, though it pales to Smackdown.

"I just got pinned by a friggin twelve-year-old."

Kurt Angle
The Amazing Salami

Since: 23.5.02
From: Oklahoma

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#19 Posted on
Best Raw in a long, long time.

I'm really glad they are re-establishing the Tag Team Division. The skits were actually funny. I love the Snow-Nowinski thing, especially Al throwing in the jab about Maven.

For the first time in several months I watched without getting bored - until the main even that is. I flipped back and forth from MNF during the main event. I watched most of it and caught the ending but it didn't captivate me.

"You're always 17 in your hometown." - Cross Canadian Ragweed
HarleM HeAt
Pickled pork

Since: 23.3.02
From: Nova Scotia,Canada

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#20 Posted on
When was the stiner promo? i missed it

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