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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.16
Pretty lame show ...

until the Superkick Heard 'Round the World. That was out of freakin' nowhere.

Looks like Hogan vs. HBK at Summerslam is a-brewin'

Did that Bikini Bootcamp go on for what seemed like an hour or what? And how embarassing to come out, do a David Lee Roth high-kick & fall flat on your ass!!!

Cena & Jericho were money tonight, as was Carlito. That guy entertains the hell outta me.

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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.39
Agreed on Hogan-Michaels. I wasn't even watching the TV, just typing something on the computer and I heard the crowd reaction. I had a feeling this was coming, but not so soon....

Dug the Kirwin gimmick as well. Isn't that the name of a WWE producer? Could really see that going places if creative doesn't screw it up.

(edited by CANADIAN BULLDOG on 4.7.05 2020)

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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.39
Realizing they call him the Showstopper, I don't think I've ever seen Michaels stop the show quite like that. Awesome turn.

Missed opportunity of the night...Having Lillian sing the National Anthem before the intro...kind of a standalone thing. That would have been a classy move.

I thought the Highlight Reel was the best segment of the show. Here's a feud where both guys could elevate each other where it's needed.

Did anybody else hear Slaughter make a reference to Vince when the Diva Search contestant crashed into the ring?

(edited by Mr Heel II on 4.7.05 2230)
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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.62
That diva crap went on for 20 minutes. Meanwhile, only 2 of the traded smackdowners get TV time? Chavo's new gimmick is the death of him. As funny as it is, I cant see Chavo having a job in a year from now.

And Rob Conway is fucked now unless he teams back up with Dupree. Someone needs a new theme....

Any, I think RAW had a 5 second delay, cause that chicks boob was all blurred when it popped out. Considering she is the porn star of the group, I bet that was all planned.

Still, decent RAW. I just am getting sick of Hogan already. I can only stand him in small doses.

I miss the GWF.

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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.51
About freakin time, heel HBK is back baby. His promo will kick ass next week.

Alot of screw ups tonight with wardrobe malfunctions and shoddy production all night long. Maybe they were jet-lagged from the tour.

Cena/Jericho was great, hopefully this leads to a match at SummerSlam and not just a 2-week blow off followed by a Triple H run in for Trips/Cena. Save that for Survivor Series at least.


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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.52
RAW 7/4/05

I’m writing my RAW thoughts as the show happens, and we’ll see if it makes any sense. (Didn’t come up with this idea until Viscera/Lillian, though, so, well, the first thirty/forty minutes are from memory.)

Well, starting off I wasn’t 100% optimistic, since the only previously-advertised events were Hogan on Carlito’s Cabana and the Bikini Boot Camp thing. Only WWE can take the activity of looking at hot, half-naked women and make it suck with the whole Diva Search concept, but I digress. So when they said in addition to having those two segments they were also gonna have a Highlight Reel segment with Cena, I rolled my eyes… a guaranteed forty minutes of non-wrestling. Then again, it worked last week, so we’ll see. (Of course, last week I had a playlist ready for to listen to instead of the Diva Search crap, and tonight I’ll listen to Ravel’s Bolero).

The “Hogan Knows Best” preview was surprisingly interesting. So Hulk’s the normal one in the family? I’m actually not too surprised by that.

I enjoyed the Big Show/Kane vs. Edge/Snitsky match. Hey, maybe Snitsky’s a natural-born tag-team wrestler. He sure can’t single-wrestle worth a damn, but he did pretty well in tags, I think.

My first nomination for line of the night: Shawn Michaels when he said, “I did what I’ve always done—I bitched and moaned until I got my way.” HAHAHAHA! Well, at least he’s being honest!

The Viscera/Lillian thing is crap, but I think it’d be unfair to say it’s Lillian’s fault. She does “heartbroken” much better than Lita does. So, The Heart Throbs bust Viscera’s balls—the same guy who dumped his fantastic girlfriend so he could screw seven or eight women at the same time (or at least one after the other, I don’t know exactly how that works)—and the Heart Throbs are the bad guys? Only in WWE. But hey, if you’re looking for someone to help you rebound from Big Vis, Lillian… pick me!

What’s with Chavo’s hair? Oh, God, he’s changing his name, dissing his Hispanic heritage and changing his name to Kerwin White? Is that like going the opposite direction as the Mexicools or something? Ohhh, kay. And dissing Maria, dasnotcool.

Hee, Rosey accidentally sets himself on fire, and all in the name of a public service announcement. And, whoa, Hurricane and Rosey appear on RAW and get to do a promo. Neat!

For the second week in a row, Cena’s interactions with Maria have cracked me up. “You got a lot going for you. You look good, um… you look good…” HA!

SummerSlam is seven weeks away? Cool.

OK, so another talk show segment now with Chris Jericho and John Cena on the Highlight Reel. My official prediction—um, those two will violate the host/guest relationship. But Cena won’t grab Y2J’s ass or anything.

“No cheesy deck chairs or stupid palm trees.” Hee. Those two are gonna have their talk show feud after all, huh? Too bad the talk show segments don’t actually involve wrestling. And they’re both heels, too, so…

As Cena makes his way out, it occurs to me that this is the first week that Cena’s undisputedly the #1 guy on RAW, or at least in terms of his title, since Batista’s moved to SmackDown. I wonder what’ll be in the cards for him after his feud with Y2J.

“I love that thing, I love it when it spins,” says Chris Jericho, referring to Cena’s WWE Title belt. Hee. Those two are actually starting out kinda friendly. “Roll the clip, monkeys.” He’s bringing all the Jericho-isms, isn’t he? And speaking of Jericho vs. Cena, if they’re trying to turn this into a Rap vs. Rock ‘n Roll feud, Jericho has already won. Hee, Cena’s got this great thing going on here—he’s trying to be nice, and Jericho’s descending more and more into paranoia. In fact, both of their tones of voice are fantastic in this segment. Very calm and reasonable, so unlike the norm in pro wrestling.

Another great line. “You’re the first to tell everybody you’re on top of the world. Well, allow me to be the first to tell you you’re an asshole!” C’mon, did the monkeys in the back have to white-noise that out, though? “Everyone remembers when RAW really was Jericho. But now Jericho is cheap.” Wow. Cena cuts much, much better promos when he isn’t forced to rap everything. It’s about time they finally play to his real strengths. Doesn’t mean you have to get rid of the rap gimmick entirely, but he can speak without rhyming. Good for them. He went slightly overboard with the “cheap” thing, but we’re OK.

“It is time for the Diva Search competition!” Thanks for the warning! “Bolero,” here we come. Time to exercise my constitutional right of free speech, since it’s the Fourth of July, by choosing not to watch crap. Speaking of which, it’s 10:08 right now. By the time we’re back from commercial it’ll probably be 10:12, and by the time this crap’s over it’ll probably be 10:27 or something. And we’ve only had one match thus far. Fundamentally, RAW’s still a wrestling program, right? I wonder what’s on Nitro.

GASP! They cancelled Nitro?! Why didn’t anyone tell me?!?!

So while I listen to Bolero, I read the team-by-team NBA free agent analysis. Mark my words, Allan Houston will do nothing to make the Pistons better if he signs with them. And someone’s going to overpay big-time for Udonis Haslem.

I turn my head towards the television long enough to see Coach fall down while clumsily doing a sack race. That’s quality entertainment, right there. Not.

You know, somehow listening to “Bolero” (which has always made me think of the apocalypse) while halfway-watching this Diva Search crap strikes me as appropriate, somehow. I suppose it has some charm in a circa-1986 American Gladiators sort of way (the Diva Search segment, not the music), but I’m still glad I have the TV muted. God knows what Lawler’s saying right now, but my guess is probably some combination of “Oh my God,” “puppies” and twenty zillion other stupid things. God, I feel sorry for the people who actually paid money to see this, and don’t have the benefit of being able to tune it out with some damn good classical music. And jeez, I’m now on the repeat of Bolero? This bullshit’s taken upwards of 15 minutes? Damn! Just how many Diva Search contestants are there, anyway? (Just to let you know—I don’t actually care. It was a rhetorical question.)

Finally at 10:26 (I was very close!) we go to commercial. And when we come back, are we gonna go right to the main event? Just goes to show you, if you actually wanna watch wrestling, you have to buy the pay-per-view. Given the way they’ve removed RAW’s emphasis on wrestling, TNA’s idea to have a Monday Nitro-esque program in the same timeslot doesn’t necessarily sound like a bad idea. Not that the 15 Minutes of Crap segments are exclusive to WWE, don’t get me wrong. They’d still have to do a good job at convincing me that their program is something I have to see.

The Charlie and the Chocolate Factory previews are disturbing! I learned a long time ago that Johnny Depp’s creepy, but jeez Louise.

Oh, boy, we’re back in Sacramento and just a few minutes ago Elizabeth [censored] I should have known I was being optimistic when I thought the Diva Search thing was done. Well, we’ve already had 14 Minutes of Crap, so they had to add the additional sixty seconds. How thoughtful of them. When they ask you to vote on, is there a voting option that says, “Abort”? That’d be very helpful, I think.

…The hell? Val Venis, huh? He still works here? (Another rhetorical question, by the way—I don’t need a response.) So, who’s gonna kick his ass this time? Rene Dupree? Huh. So, it’s been awhile since I’ve watched SmackDown regularly—he’s still French, right? But the other two La Res members are French-Canadian? But one of them, Grenier I think, got traded to SmackDown? OK. Damn, the guy looks different from the last time I saw him. The hell’s with the sideburns? And is he channeling the spirit of Chris Masters for his promos? Dammit, take it from Alex Wright. “First I speak to the people that I care about. Then I speak to the people that I could care less about.” Or, hell, don’t bother translating yourself at all—it’ll piss people off even more.

Did he get rid of the little stupid French dance? Whenever I see that or think of it, I remember the 2004 Royal Rumble. Dupree had just eliminated, I believe, Matt Hardy, and did the French dance. But he made the unfortunate mistake of turning his back on Rikishi, who did his own little shimmy and then superkicked him out of the ring.

OK, when you have to cheat to beat Val Venis, you’re not magnificent—you suck. The way Val’s luck has gone since his great run as Chief Morley ended, I could beat Val in my sleep with two hands tied behind my back. And between the “Phenomenal” Rene Dupree and “Masterpiece” Chris Masters, all we need is for the recently-traded Mark Jindrak to reprise his narcissistic “gotta look in a mirror every five seconds” gimmick and we’re good to go. *does the little Taco Bell “good to go” hand gesture*

Hey, the SmackDown Rebound seems to indicate that Benoit had his foot on the ropes when JBL pinned him after the DDT. CONTROVERSY~! We need to have Arn Anderson reverse his own ruling now or something.

Hee, Carlito made you flinch!

I would say that Angle and Carlito broke the Heel Code by not vacating the ring when the faces arrive, but I think Angle and Triple H are the only two heels that are exempt from that rule. Speaking of which, we’re working on 15 Days Without Triple H! Better enjoy that while we can.

After Hulk dominates a little bit, I started counting down ‘til the time that HBK would begin the Babyface in Peril Routine. But it didn’t happen when I thought it’d happen, hmm. Hogan and Carlito wrestling in the same ring, how’s that for weird, anyway? Double-clothesline, both heels out of the ring, which is another way of saying “But first, this is Today on NBC.” In other words, commercial break!

Ah, here we go—Babyface in Peril situation once we hit RAW Overtime. And it’s nice to see the Hulkster playing his role as the dumb partner who tries to help his boy but ends up making it worse because he distracts the referee’s attention away from the illegal stuff that’s happening. How Hogan ever managed to win the WWF Tag Team Championship, I’ll never know. Then again he couldn’t do it until ’02, so… (Yes, I know it’s fake. That’s just my unique brand of humor speaking.)

Ooh, nice sequence there when HBK countered the Ankle Lock and then countered the Olympic Slam seconds later with a sweet Tornado DDT. Carlito’s reaction when Hogan gets tagged is great. “Whoawhoawhoa, I take it back, hold on a sec, pal.” Hee, I’ll tell you, no one can electrify a crowd like the Hulkster. Nice match, but it lacked the magic of last week, seeing three generations of WWF/WWE Champions—Hogan, Michaels and Cena—in the ring together at the same time.

Wait, WHAT THE HELL?!?! I missed HBK’s superkick on Hogan entirely, as I was getting ready to write my “good, bad, ugly”-esque recap. WHOAWHOAWHOAWHOA! Looks like Michaels has lost his smile, turning heel for the first time since, what, WrestleMania XIV? DASCOOL! Now I know what to look forward to next week, not to mention at SummerSlam. But don’t blow it, Vince—SummerSlam is seven weeks away, don’t let these two have a match against each other—even a tag-team match—until then. But build it up until you create a biological need for us to see Hogan kick HBK’s ass.

I love how the announcers handled this, too. They were allowed to go “what the hell?!” for a few moments, and then, silence. Let the moment, and Michaels’ expression, speak for itself. And I like how they drew it out and just showed Michaels walking back to the locker room, calmly, with this evil look on his face. But I just hope that since he’s a heel, they cut back on the Christianity-related imagery with HBK. Super-kicking your tag-team partner isn’t what Jesus would do.

So, here’s that recap, then—

DASCOOL!: HBK’s unexpected heel turn, Hogan verbally sparring with Angle and Carlito on the Cabana, everything involving both John Cena and Chris Jericho, and Chris Masters not appearing on the show. Since Masters didn’t appear on the show, that also meant Tajiri didn’t have to job to him, so there you go. But the only time you’ll ever see Masters in the “DASCOOL!” category is when he’s not on the show.

YOU SUCK!: Diva Search crap (which, to be fair, I didn’t really watch), the repackaging of Rene Dupree as “Chris Masters V1”, the horribly ill-advised repackaging of Chavo Guerrero, and the fact that we still only had three matches on the show. And while I liked the two tag-team matches, I think Dupree/Venis was put on the show simply to waste our time and show off Dupree’s summoning of the ghost of Rico Constantino (who’s still alive, actually, so that’s something impressive, I guess). At least with last week’s show, two of the matches had the benefit of being very, very good. But then Ric Flair’s cool like that.

And the line of the night: “I did what I always do, I bitched and moaned until I got my way.” What do you bet Michaels threw that bone to us smarks as a deliberate reference to the Clique days when HBK would do precisely that?

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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.61
Well, I for one think the Diva Search finally delivered some entertainment. Sure, it was of the unintended humor variety, but frankly I think that's the best we can hope for. At least "high-kick and fall on her ass" lady, "getting head caught in the net" lady, and a few other highly "athletic" moments made me laugh. But yeah, it still went forever.

I must say, the Superkick caught me by surprise. So who is the number two face on RAW now? Big Show? Kane? Seems heavy on the heel side right now, but I don't think I can argue against Hogan/HBK being a money match.

And what's Chavo's name now? Curtis White? (Ah yes...Curwin) Chavo is going to have his work cut out for him to keep that from heading into Wrestlecrap territory.

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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.80
VH1 reality shows? Bikini boot camp? Kerwin White!? Good lord, that had to be the most pointless Raw in history. I understand it was a holiday show, but to completely put on crap for two hours isn’t quite excusable.

The world champ, the animal, the man that JR raved about for months is gone and not even a single mention? Wow...

Other than the last minute superkick, not much notable.

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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.16

Wow ... those guys at work fast.

As for the faces on RAW now, RVD has gotta be the #2 face on RAW, but I could easily see a face run in Kurt Angle's future as well. He's still got HBK to feud with, plus Triple H & Chris Jericho (a match-up that's long overdue again)


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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.00
I should have seen it coming.....

This Hogan & Michaels "friendship" was WAY too cartoonish chummy. It just screamed for Hulk to eat a super kick.

Everyone loves Hulk nostalgia, well, that one certainly reminded me of the Orndorff clothesline/pile driver 20 years ago. Good Stuff.

There are some fundamental great things about wrestling that makes you watch, one of them is watching a friend of Hulk turn on him.
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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.74
Man, I leave the room for two minutes during the interminably long Diva Search and I miss some chick fall out of her top? Good lord.

Chavo's new gimmick is going to be the train wreck to end all train wrecks. I'll give credit to, however, they already have his bio switched.

This leaves RAW with Cena, Benjamin, Big Show, RVD and (I guess) Kane as their top faces. On the heel side, it's Angle, HHH, Flair, Carlito, Edge, Jericho and now Shawn Michaels. Could one more deal be in the works to get, say, Booker T or someone over to Raw to balance things out, or is one of the heels going to turn back face? If HBK is going heel, Angle might be an interesting turn except he works much better as a villain.

I wonder what Big Show's time would be in that obstacle course.

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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.23
Opening segment when Angle was ripping on Flair, I was expecting Flair to make the save for the Hogan/Flair tag team to be shown on RAW for the first time.
Slaughter must have made a comment about Vince blowing out his knee on the ring entrance.
Just make it official with Val and give him Iron Mike Sharpe's arm brace.
R.I.P. Chavo. Your career is going to make Pepe seem vibrant by comparison.
It wasn't Orndorff/Hogan in terms of turns, but Michaels turning was a good turn. First time heel since the first regular episode of SD when he was a ref, and then it was forgotten about.
With Michaels a heel and Angle a heel, does Trip come back in a few weeks and attempt a face turn, especially if Jericho were to go over Cena? Shelton appears to have disappeared, Cena can be put back in his place, Kane and Paul Wight are an abyss, Edge is a heel stuck in an abyss, and Hogan is a part time wrestler at best. The landscape is ripe for Trip to jump into the #1 face mode, get the belt off of Jericho, and then build into a Mania feud with either Michaels or Angle.

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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.67
--great segment by Cena and Jericho

--all of a sudden the whole mexicool thing doesnt look all that bad
-- the possibilty of Chavo getting released wouldnt be the worst thing in the world

--cool eddie impersination by shawn at the end of the show


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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.12
I felt dirty watching the Bikini Boot Camp, likes I was one of those people with a really weird fetish. Like an exercise fetish or something, I don't know. Just didn't feel right. Kerwin White makes me laugh. Him making fun of Maria was cool. Darn you Dupree, no French Tickler?

I made some horrible fantasy decisions this week though.

Speaking of horrible, I wonder when Triple H will be back. Probably in two weeks so that he can face Cena at Summerslam. Who else can he face otherwise? Kane (he can't feud with Edge for 7 more weeks, can he?)? The Big Show?


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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.80
Wasn't Michaels technically a heel during the *mini* NWO run after superkicking Booker T?

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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.12
Yeah, if I recall, that ended when they cut Kevin Nash, decided to totally end the NWO storyline, which led to Triple H pretending that they were going to bring back DX, and then pedigreeing Michaels.

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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.75
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    I should have seen it coming.....

    This Hogan & Michaels "friendship" was WAY too cartoonish chummy. It just screamed for Hulk to eat a super kick.

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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.83
You gotta be kidding me. I missed the HBK heel turn. Fuck. I thought that that might be coming up (since he said he wanted to work with Hogan), but after the match when they started the posedown I changed the channel because I wasn't really in the mood for another Hogan love-fest (sorry, one per month). I like Shawn as a heel more than as a face, and this is long overdue. There are very interesting feuds with Hogan and Cena on the horizon for Michaels. Long term I could see him becoming part of a reconstituted Evolution/Triple H Faction. Even though they feuded for years, they always have that history to fall back on with them. Yes sir, that's money in the bank if they do it right. Anyway...

Why does the Diva Search really need to take twenty minutes. Yes, the women are all very hot, but since it seems like about six of them will be hired anyway, they're just wasting my time.

The Highlight Reel was good. Cena seems to be getting more comfortable on the mic (i.e. less fake), and I think I'll really dig the way that they're going with a Cena-Jericho feud. It's very refreshing to have new blood in the main event.

Carlito's Cabana was...well, it was a lengthy commercial for Hogan's new show. I hate reality TV, but I might check this out to see how crazy Hogan is in real life. Definite Osbournes potential there.

Kerwin White was interesting. All I could think when I saw it was "wrestlecrap!", but they could get some good laughs out of it. The only thing I would say about it is, why do they have Hispanics on both shows saying how uncool it is to be Hispanic, especially when I've always heard how important WWE's Latino audience is to them? I mean, I'm not offended, but that sure seems to be the goal of WWE. Very curious, in my opinion.

Am I the only one who thinks that Val Venis should be getting the push that Rene Dupree is inevitably going to get? Decent enough match, but I'm getting tired of the "heel uses ropes for leverage to win" spot. Yeah, I get it, they're heels, but the bookers are so fucking uncreative sometimes.

Maria is the surprise hit of the summer for me. I find her screw-ups very cute. Yes, I suppose I have a crush.

Edge/Snitsky vs. Show/Kane was pretty dull. Unless Matt Hardy is signed or is coming back, I see no reason to continue this storyline (which has gone on in one form or another for a whopping fourteen months!).

I liked the Hurricane/Rosey/Stacy segment. Not necessarily the content of it, but I'm glad to see them working the underneath guys into the show rather than relegating to Hear.

Did I miss them mentioning that Batista was gone, other than the Smackdown Rebound? They should have made a bigger deal out of losing Batista.

Good show overall tonight. That seems to be a pattern lately.

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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.62
So, does HBK turning heel make god a heel too?

I miss the GWF.
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#20 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.08
So, does HBK turning heel make god a heel too?

You could see the seeds of THAT turn coming a mile away. After all Hussan's been working for him for at least the last six months now.

On a side note, Maria is by far my favorite character WWE has created in about the last seven years or so.

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