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Since: 23.1.02
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With Raven leaving the booth to resume wrestling there is only one logical thing to do. And no its not the flock. Very simply, bring back The Flunky, Stevie Richards! The two of them were gold together and I think they can recapture that magic. Besides, Richards is wasting his talent wearing those baggy pants and getting killed in the hardcore division every night.

If Vince and co. are serious about creating new stars, look no further than the two most vastly underused guys on the roster.

(edited by The Masked Hungarian on 10.6.02 0156)
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Raven and Richards will never be given good pushes as long as Underbiker, Beer Me, and Roid Trip-le H are running the locker room political hold back machine.





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Since: 2.1.02
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#3 Posted on
Politics! Politics! Raven's not getting pushed! Politics! Nothing to do with the fact that Raven's a near-forty year-old out-of-shape cripple who hasn't had a good match outside the hardcore division for three years or so! Politics!

Look, I'm one of Raven's biggest fans, but it's over for him. If you're gonna launch an attack against the backstage game, at least pick someone who would be a worthwhile push in the fed.



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said the guy with the Shawn Michaels image
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#5 Posted on
...and the sig "Dear God! He's Back To Kill Us All!" See, right at the bottom there. Boy, I hope you feel stupid now.



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Since: 22.1.02
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#6 Posted on
Right. Cause there aren't any 40-year-old cripples that are enjoyed pushes at the moment.
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Hmm, so pushing one forty year old cripple is preferable to pushing another? Interesting theory. And I doubt Raven winning the Undisputed Title tonight would exactly set the world on fire, so at least people like Shawny and The Undertaker have some kind of name value attached to them. But this really is a pointless argument. I just tire of the idea of the big bad backstage bullies being injected into every single discussion about wrestling. You really think Austin, Triple H and Taker are sitting round a table RIGHT NOW thinking up new ways to hold down that BASTARD Raven?

Thought not.

I mean, c'mon, you wanna speculate that these guys play power games in the back? Fine and dandy. But I really think they've got other people than freakin' RAVEN on their minds when they do so.





(edited by oldschoolhero on 10.6.02 1429)


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#8 Posted on
Well that's an over-generalization if I've ever heard one. They may not be sitting around a table right now, but they may use their influence in more subtle ways.

Nevetheless, I agree: I'm sick of hearing about backstage politics because as a fan, it doesn't affect me and I just don't care.



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#9 Posted on
Actually, it affects all of us in that piss-poor workers who should be shot in the head for THINKING they could still go are stinking up the ring while good workers with less political influence (whether because they are not currently banging the boss's daughter, or any other reason) get the tag "midcard 4 life".





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It's hard to blow out a flame as big as him
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As someone said, it's not like Taker, HHH, Austin, etc. are sitting around backstage saying "Screw that bastard Raven". It's done in more subtle ways. And yes I would mark out big time if Raven and Richards were brought back together but I highly, highly doubt it'll happen.



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Since: 23.5.02
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Have you noticed that since Raven has came back he look's like an Indian(How Indian,not 3rd eye Indian)with the the braids and everything.



Maybe the bookers have something against Indians.

(edited by ICEMAN on 10.6.02 1949)



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Since: 19.2.02
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Hey, I'll agree with all you guys 100 f'ing percent on the politics thing, but I disagree with oldschool's statement that Raven "hasn't had a good match outside the Hardcore division for three years or so".

First of all, if the ONLY division the bookers feel you can contribute to is said Hardcore Division, then how in the blue hell do you ever GET the chance to prove you can work another style, whatever it may be? That's just it, you don't. Wrestlers get pigeonholed in much the same way actors get typecast--do one thing really well and sometimes that's all people think you're capable of doing.

Now, I'll be one of the first people to admit that Raven vs. Regal at last year's "Invasion" PPV didn't set the world on fire. Both of those guys are capable of working good, technically sound, non gimmicked matches; they admitted afterwards that they were both having an off night. And that's something that can happen to ANYONE on that roster from HHH, to Austin, to the lowest jobber on the card. But conversely, one of my favorite matches of 2001, from television or a live card--and I will go in the f'ing grave vowing this--was Raven/Credible vs. Saturn/Malenko at last year's Pillman Memorial Show. Only one foreign object got introduced into the match, but otherwise, it was some damn fine enteraining wrestling from four guys that the business hasn't been terribly kind to in recent years.

Backstage politics...some days, it's some of the most entertaining crap in the world to read about and God knows it makes for some fine & dandy heated discussion in this and other forums. But damn, some days I wish it didn't interest me so much. It bugs hell out of me when I have to deal with it in my own life as a musician/singer/actress and there's plenty of times it's taken the enjoyment out of wrestling for me as well. I know, I know....if it bugs me so much, don't bother keeping up with it.

Thing is, when it comes to playing backstage politics, the power players are going to work on the theory of "all will be put to the sword". Everyone they can hold down, hey! More pushes for them and their cronies! Never mind the fact that you show up for work on time, do what's asked of you....if you're not in with the "cool kids", you're not going to get to play, whether you've been in the business for fourteen years or fourteen months!

My basic bitch with WWE is that the "publicity machine", as HBK described it, has been pushing certain people down our throat for so long ("You will pop for this person!" "You WILL buy their t-shirt/video/etc!") and now that they're gone for whatever reason, they're stuck with a rosterful of buried talent that the average viewer doesn't give a rat's ass about watching!!

But, in the words of Dennis Miller, "Of course, that's just my opinion..."



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Since: 22.1.02
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#13 Posted on

    Originally posted by ICEMAN
    Have you noticed that since Raven has came back he look's like an Indian(How Indian,not 3rd eye Indian)with the the braids and everything.



    Maybe the bookers have something against Indians.

    (edited by ICEMAN on 10.6.02 1949)



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