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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.83
Ugh, not again. This whole Yankees spending thing is getting WAY out of control (as if everyone doesn't already know that). Mussina, Johnson, Brown, Pavano, and Wright? Yikes.
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The only person in that rotation that strikes fear is Johnson, and Brown when he's right (and healthy, which is a problem for him.) Wright has had one good year and has been injured seemingly ever since the 97 WS. Pavano has had one good year and is switching leagues, and (Javy Vazquez 2k5?) Mussina is hittable, as are the rest. I get this feeling that Randy's knee is going to completely die on him. I was discussing this with TheCow a couple of weeks ago. Some sort of karmic retribution. Georgie keeps throwing a ton of money at anyone he can, and it keeps backfiring.



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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.75

    Originally posted by Captain Insano
    As far as this trade goes has anyone heard if a third party is going to get involved again, or just the two teams?


The current thinking is that the DBacks will deal directly with the Yankees and acquire Vazquez, Navarro, Halsey and cash and flip Vazquez to the Orioles for some young pitching like Erik Bedard, John Maine and/or Jorge Julio.




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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.25
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UPDATE! (ESPN.com)

The deal that's started moving through the MLB approval bureaucracy: Johnson to the Yanks; Javier Vasquez, prospects Brad Halsey and Dioner Navarro, and ca$h ($8.5 to $9 million) to the D-Backs.

But there's still several roadblocks once New York and Arizona finalize their deal: everybody has to pass a physical, Selig has to approve the deal, and so does Johnson (no-trade clause in his 'Zona contract has to be waived), and the Yanks want a 72-hour window to hammer out an extension on Big Unit's current deal, which expires after this coming season.

What's the over/under on a Big Unit/V-Tek throwdown in Fenway this summer?




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#25 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.58
I'm probably in the vast minority here, but Randy Johnson with the Yankees does not scare me as a Red Sox fan. Yes, I know he is 5-0 (2 wins in relief)in his career in the playoffs against the Yankees. Conversely, he also has the longest losing streak in playoff history during his career, and his numbers in the playoffs against teams other than the Yankees are abysmal (ERA and K's don't mean anything to me during the post-season. Only stat that matters then is W's and L's.). Of the two acquisitions the Yankees have made in the past day, Tino Martinez is of greater concern, as I know he gets big hits in big spots.
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#26 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.80
    Originally posted by redsoxnation
    Of the two acquisitions the Yankees have made in the past day, Tino Martinez is of greater concern, as I know he gets big hits in big spots.


You have absolutely got to be kidding me. They may be acquiring one of the absolute greatest left-handed starting pitchers of all time, and you're worried about shitty Tino Martinez?

They almost swept the Red Sox out of the playoffs -- they didn't, but they were on the door of it -- and their main downfall in the end was pitching. Yet Tino Martinez, who hasn't been good since he left the Yankees three years ago, and is now 37 years old, concerns you, and them adding an ace doesn't.

I'm not saying you should be scared of the Yankees because your team is still pretty darn good, but this is a really, really, really bizarre statement to make. And your reliance on Tino's supposed clutch hitting as the basis of your argument is even worse.

By the way, Tino's career postseason numbers: .239/.326/.359. That is horrendous. He's had one good postseason ever (2000) and outside of that he was good in the San Diego World Series. Otherwise, he's been crap.

And to use Johnson's postseason losing streak as a counter-argument is pretty silly considering if the Astros had hit anything in the 98 NLDS, Johnson's losing streak would've ended at three. Johnson was 0-2 in that series with a 1.93 ERA in 14 IP with 17 K, 2 BB and 12 hits allowed. The Astros combined to give him two runs of support and seven hits over the two starts.

Oh but ERA and Ks don't mean anything to you in the postseason, only wins and losses, so basically you're of the asinine mindset that what matters during the regular season ceases to be important in playoff games. This is why teams end up with players like Tino Martinez in the first place, for their Postseason Heroics. Hey one time he hit a dong! Let's snap him back up! George likes him, 'cause one time he hit a dong!

If it was Tino Martinez v. Randy Johnson in a playoff game, who do you place your bets on? If it was Randy Johnson v. Bill Mueller, who do you place your bets on? If it was Tino Martinez v. Curt Schilling, who do you place your bets on? To devalue Johnson because of his W-L record in the postseason is quite the foolish idea, and to place value on Tino Martinez for his mythical postseason accomplishments is even more of one.

(edited by ScottChrist on 31.12.04 1434)


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#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.60
    Originally posted by ScottChrist
      Originally posted by redsoxnation
      Of the two acquisitions the Yankees have made in the past day, Tino Martinez is of greater concern, as I know he gets big hits in big spots.


    You have absolutely got to be kidding me. They may be acquiring one of the absolute greatest left-handed starting pitchers of all time, and you're worried about shitty Tino Martinez?

    They almost swept the Red Sox out of the playoffs -- they didn't, but they were on the door of it -- and their main downfall in the end was pitching. Yet Tino Martinez, who hasn't been good since he left the Yankees three years ago, and is now 37 years old, concerns you, and them adding an ace doesn't.

    I'm not saying you should be scared of the Yankees because your team is still pretty darn good, but this is a really, really, really bizarre statement to make. And your reliance on Tino's supposed clutch hitting as the basis of your argument is even worse.

    By the way, Tino's career postseason numbers: .239/.326/.359. That is horrendous. He's had one good postseason ever (2000) and outside of that he was good in the San Diego World Series. Otherwise, he's been crap.

    And to use Johnson's postseason losing streak as a counter-argument is pretty silly considering if the Astros had hit anything in the 98 NLDS, Johnson's losing streak would've ended at three. Johnson was 0-2 in that series with a 1.93 ERA in 14 IP with 17 K, 2 BB and 12 hits allowed. The Astros combined to give him two runs of support and seven hits over the two starts.

    Oh but ERA and Ks don't mean anything to you in the postseason, only wins and losses, so basically you're of the asinine mindset that what matters during the regular season ceases to be important in playoff games. This is why teams end up with players like Tino Martinez in the first place, for their Postseason Heroics. Hey one time he hit a dong! Let's snap him back up! George likes him, 'cause one time he hit a dong!

    If it was Tino Martinez v. Randy Johnson in a playoff game, who do you place your bets on? If it was Randy Johnson v. Bill Mueller, who do you place your bets on? If it was Tino Martinez v. Curt Schilling, who do you place your bets on? To devalue Johnson because of his W-L record in the postseason is quite the foolish idea, and to place value on Tino Martinez for his mythical postseason accomplishments is even more of one.

    (edited by ScottChrist on 31.12.04 1434)


Key word there being ALMOST. Instead, NY pulled the greatest choke job in baseball history. Funny though, if it was the opposite situation (Sox blowing a 3-0 lead) people would say "just another Red Sox choke". But because it was NY, it's ignored.

speaking of Johnson, he finally commented on his trade to the Yanks.





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#28 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.04
Let's not forget, they were not only three games up, but they were THREE OUTS AWAY in game four, with their All-World closer on the mound.

I just watched the Faith Rewarded DVD I got my dad for Christmas. Awesome disc. I'd forgotten that they were that close to a sweep.



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#29 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.58
    Originally posted by ScottChrist
    They almost swept the Red Sox out of the playoffs -- they didn't, but they were on the door of it -- and their main downfall in the end was pitching.








Trust me, I know the Yankees were on the verge of a sweep, if Rivera doesn't lose it in the 9th or if Leskanic had pitched like Leskanic to Williams with the bases loaded in the 12th of Game 4, the Red Sox go down in flames and their would be blood in the streets. However, starting pitching was not the downfall of the Yankees in the Red Sox series. True, Brown sucked in Game 3 and Game 7. They had 5 decent/good/very good starts in the games not started by Brown. Mussina pitched 6 great innings in Game 1, Lieber 6 great in Game 2, El Duque (a nice pick-up by the White Sox, should the White Sox have the common sense to put him on a beach until the end of June) had a nice start in Game 4, Mussina pitched well in Game 5, and Lieber had one bad inning in Game 6. The key downfall for the Yankees was Tom Gordon is a choke artist pitcher in the post season, as he demonstrated in '98 and '99 with the Red Sox, and this year with the Yankees. That, and the fact that the vaunted top of the Yankees line-up was inept after Game 3.
As for Johnson, he's a great pitcher, one of the best of all time. He'll help the Yankees win 100-105 games and the division in the regular season. Maybe it's because I still remember Darren Bragg hitting a grand slam into the bullpen against him in '97 to knock him out for the season, but the aura of Johnson doesn't scare me as a Red Sox fan like his aura has to the Yankees and their fans. And Tino might not be the player he once was, but he still is better at this point than the Giambi/Clark/Olerud triumverate the Yankees had last season.

(edited by redsoxnation on 31.12.04 2150)
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#30 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.47
    Originally posted by The Thrill
    What's the over/under on a Big Unit/V-Tek throwdown in Fenway this summer?

I think the inevitable Johnson vs. Schilling games (plural intentional) will be fun. I believe they're actually off-field buddies, & also are hugely competitive with each other. And they were co-MVPs for the 2001 World Series. :-)
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#31 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.81
This deal is as big as the Red Sox getting Schilling last offseason. I'd rather have Johnson that Beltran on the Yankees.

That whole "co-MVP" thing was all PC. Johnson was the real MVP of that series. Johnson was the #1 starter, Schilling only got his success by riding his coattails.

Also, you take away Dave Roberts, the Red Sox don't get by the Yankees.

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#32 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.04
But, he was there, and they did. Rationalize it however you want.

Biggest choke in sports history.



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