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The show opens with a mention of a positive review of the Tietam Brown book in the Globe & Mail.

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On the return to the ring: It was largely to promote the book, but the Hell in the Cell was the perfect angle to lead in to the return. He could barely breathe when he was in the ring with Hunter for the match, and he was fine until he woke up the next morning, and felt the pain and the swelling. He feels he could come back ever so often, but not full time. Semi-regular basis, maybe. And he will probable have another match, someday. He saw the Wrestlemania XX marquee outside MSG, and got chills.

On Hulk Hogan: They show a short clip of Hulk's "trained more in the last week than Foley has in the last 30 years line, and that Hulk was in the gym while Foley was eating cheeseburgers". Foley heard it for the first time on the set, and was upset at the tone of Hogan. It was the most damaging thing he'd heard. Foley tried to put it in context of book sales, and hopes Hulk was upset at his book's performance as opposed to Foley's. Foley called the statement insulting and a lie. Mick comes off as pretty bitter in his tone as he mentions his matches with Michaels, Rock & Austin. He says if Hogan had wrestled Foley he would come off as a whiny porno film girl, saying "not so fast, not so hard". Hogan is still around because Foley put out during his matches, while Hogan entertained. You wouldn't apologize to your friends for a Foley match, and watching Hogan matches made his embarassed to be in the same profession. Landsberg references the light style of Hogan's work. Foley hints at a match with Hogan, and with Flair, based on statements Foley made in his books about Flair, and Hogan's comments on OTR. Mick said he wouldn't dumb it down if he stepped in the ring with Hogan.

On deaths & drugs: He doesn't hold Vince accountable, since it is adults. Mick references Ozzy Osborne's abuse of Vicodin (sp?) as shown on his show. Mick credits the WWE for helping out Regal & Guerrero, but attempts to fight the abuse are harmed by the fact use of Vicodin and other painkillers are legal. It will become harder for people who legitimately need painkillers to get them prescribed because of people that needed them, and then discovered that they enjoyed them. Mick didn't go through pain medication regularly until the final year.

On union: It would be nice. He has been told there aren't enough active wrestlers to make it worth SAG or ACTRA's while.

The show ended with talk about Tietam Brown. He said the hardest thing was working up the confidence. Steven King's "Writing" book helped, but it took him a year to believe in himself enough to do it. He confesses that it was a dark book, but it was all about the light at the end. He started writing on Oct 1, 2001, during a dark time for the world, but he saw the world's support of New York City as the light, as well as some man against the world aspects of the Mankind character.

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Every time I hear him speak (or a recap of him speaking, in this case), I gain more respect for Mick Foley.

I didn't think he had heard Hogan's comments before the show, given the somewhat obscure nature of Off The Record. But he makes good points in his rebuttal of the nonsense Hogan was peddling.

I also highly recommend the Stephen King book Mick referenced, `On Writing'. If you're looking to write for a living, it is a great first step.

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I third the recommendation on King's book. Excellent reference material.

This is an odd word to use, but Foley is a class act. Plus, he gets big props from me by referencing Ozzy. ;)! In all seriousness, that's actually a good parallel to draw. Ozzy lived hard (and really, still does) and now he's damaged. The only difference is Ozzy somehow slid back from death by inches; while it seems wrestlers are dropping left and right over the last few years. Then again, I guess you can contribute that to the difference in drugs. The steroids wreck the heart to such a huge degree.

The reviews I've seen for Tietam Brown are promising -- almost all of them say that while Tietam isn't perfect by a long shot, it showcases Foley's potential in a big way.

I hadn't heard about the Hogan comment. Was this during a promo, or a backstage comment? Either way, what a bitter bitch. Let's just say that comment is true -- Hogan may have trained 400 times the amount that Mick did. That still doesn't earn him 1% of the respect the fans have for Mick. Bah.

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The comments Hogan made were on a previous appearance on Off The Record.

From my original summary of Hulk's appearance:
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"I've trained more in the last week than Mick Foley has in 30 years"

"When Mick Foley was sleeping, and eating cheeseburgers and M&Ms, I was in the gym working out"

"It all depends on how much respect you have yourself. Nothing against Mick Foley. I didn't have to prostitute my body, and throw myself over the coals, into the fire and the glass. I decided to train and go another way"
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I remember being angered by Hogan's comments when he made them. Has Hogan worked hard to get as far as he has? Sure, but he's done just as much work as a self-promoter and shrewd backstage politican to maintain his spot. Has he been to the gym more than a Mick Foley? Unquestionably, though as he himself admits, drugs have had a hand in his physique. I somehow doubt Foley has had too many run-ins with the juice. And for whatever it's worth, I enjoyed (most of) Hogan's run at the top immensely. No one will ever be able to recreate what he has accomplished.

So, to me at least, it's clear that Hogan earned his spot. But why the knocks on Mick Foley? Is he jealous of the love fans still have Mick? Maybe Hogan should read Foley's books. The guy does respect himself, no question. The ``coals, fire and glass'' that Foley has been through, he's done with few regrets. Perhaps it's Hogan who needs to respect Foley.



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Plus, Mick has unselfishly put guys over and created huge stars out of people like HHH and even Rock, to an extent.

Hogan has jealously protected his spot and killed the pushes of everyone from Ricky Steambout to Steve Austin.

Fuck Hogan. His feuds don't have an ounce of the psychology, intelligence and emotional involvement of a single Foley promo. I'd rather watch Mick squeeze into a rollercoaster and eat a Twinkie before sitting through a Hogan match.






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ITA, asteroidboy. The comment that really cracked me up was this:


    "I didn't have to prostitute my body, and throw myself over the coals, into the fire and the glass. I decided to train and go another way"


Um, what? No, you just pumped gallons of steroids into your body, you jackass. You were a ridiculous cartoon figure who hung on to your spot at the expense of everyone else, even though you didn't need to. Bah.

Didn't prostitute yourself, no. But neither did Mick. He excelled in *his* way, not *your* way. I guess that's a crime, though.

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Do you guys think that Mick could have been a big star back in Hogan's day?

I have this pet theory that Mick got as big as he did because of the change in kayfabe. Back then I think he would have been Hogan's Quarterly Challenger, nestled between Bad News Brown and the Bossman.



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    Originally posted by Notorious F.A.B.
    Do you guys think that Mick could have been a big star back in Hogan's day?

    I have this pet theory that Mick got as big as he did because of the change in kayfabe. Back then I think he would have been Hogan's Quarterly Challenger, nestled between Bad News Brown and the Bossman.


Interesting.

Mick definitely seems anti-kayfabe in his writings (I'm thinking of "Have a Nice Day" when he suspects that the fans really want to believe that everyone's friends). He's also very open about the fact that it's all a work, treating readers with more respect than some of the older guys who write their stuff in character.

Much of his appeal to the marks, though, was just how real his bumps were. It almost seemed like backlash against the breakdown of kayfabe.

"Okay, you think it's fake? Look at what this guy just did."

Stuff like that. I think that still would've worked when kayfabe was in full effect. A scrapper who gets the shit beaten out of him, but keeps coming back for more.

As for Hogan, Mick probably benefitted from Hogan's absence. In 1989, he clearly would have been just another midcarder to eat a legdrop. As top guys, Austin and Rock seemed more willing to work with him and let him get over.



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It's interesting that Stephen King and Mick Foley are mentioned in the same thread because I think the two are very similar in a lot of ways.

First way is they are the only two authors I've ever read books pretty much nonstop.

Secondly, despite being hugely famous they both maintain a certain amount of humility and promote realism in their lives and their art.

I think personality wise (save for Foley's strange Christmas Fixation) they are very similar. Though I have to admit that I have never met either man.

PS -- Foley's Xmas addiction has prompted me to be more obsessed with my own favorite holiday -- Halloween. So maybe reading Foley's books wasn't a good thing.
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    Originally posted by asteroidboy
    Plus, Mick has unselfishly put guys over and created huge stars out of people like HHH and even Rock, to an extent.

    Hogan has jealously protected his spot and killed the pushes of everyone from Ricky Steambout to Steve Austin.

    Fuck Hogan. His feuds don't have an ounce of the psychology, intelligence and emotional involvement of a single Foley promo. I'd rather watch Mick squeeze into a rollercoaster and eat a Twinkie before sitting through a Hogan match.





You're entitled to that rather extreme opinion, but you can't blame anyone for protecting their spot. This is a business, it's not a charity. It's not Hogan's job to make sure everyone around him has a great career. The Steamboat details are sketchy at best, Ricky himself has only said that he "heard" Hogan was somehow involved. Ricky also had a loudmouth wife who went around screaming that he should be World Champ instead of Hogan, and that's not a good thing.

Also before we laud Foley as the second coming of Christ (which people do every other week in this place) I'd like just one person on the net to point out that Mick Foley, like him or not, was NEVER in a position to do anything but put someone over. He's Mick Foley, he's not the Rock, he's not Stone Cold, he can't poison anyone's anything because he's there to make people look good. That's his talent in wrestling, he's the best at making people look like stars. He even admits as much in his books. He was never the centerpiece of a promotion so you can't compare him to Hogan because it's apples and oranges. That's not an indictment of him, but you can't laud a man for protecting his spot when he never had a particularly significant spot to protect.

I don't blame Hogan for being a businessman. You know, when Hogan came in, they broke his leg for even trying. When Mick came in, he got to take lessons for free because he couldn't afford to keep going, and DeNucci's a swell guy. Hogan was educated to think that this business is seriously cut-throat, watch your back, and trust no one. And for the most part, Hogan's done that. He's never really put anyone else in a position to hurt him or screw him over any more than is absolutely necessary. How many times has Mick put his very life, and indirectly that of his children and wife, on the line? You think Mick's a hero for taking ten unprotected chairshots to the head because the Rock was getting excited? Hogan never would have put himself in a postion to be demolished like that. Doing so doesn't make you heroic or unselfish, it makes you a moron with a net worth about fifty million dollars lower than a "Politician" like Hulk.

    Originally posted by Liz

    I hadn't heard about the Hogan comment. Was this during a promo, or a backstage comment? Either way, what a bitter bitch. Let's just say that comment is true -- Hogan may have trained 400 times the amount that Mick did. That still doesn't earn him 1% of the respect the fans have for Mick. Bah.





First of all, you're confusing obscure internet wrestling community "respect" for actual people who go to the shows respect. Hogan got a bunch of five minute standing ovations when he came back the last time, while Mick got some nice pops. To most people I know, Hogan is a huge part of their childhood, someone they think of fondly. If those same people even know who Foley is, they think of him as a stuntman.

I liked Mick, but have always disagreed with the concept that he is "everything that's good about this business". Taking disgusting risks in front of your children is not something I'd admire. Guys like Foley, New Jack, Sandman, Tommy Dreamer, and other "any bump you want" performers are all fucked up for life. The only reason Mick is better off is because he's about thirty times more intelligent than the others put together.

Plus, Hogan said nothing that wasn't true. Hogan worked on his body. Hogan was training. Steroids were common at that time, the risks were not realized, and were not considered out of the ordinary to use, which you can't say about Mick's bumps. Hulk did all the hours Foley did, if not more. Maybe meeting with all those executives and make-a-wish kids isn't as glamourous as being beaten with barbed wire, but it was still part of the job; a part Hulk did brilliantly. I don't think, knowing Hogan as I do from following him for so long, that he meant "mick's a big loser who sucks" but a LOT of the old timers, people from Hogan's generation frowned upon the circus sideshow that Foley's matches became. A lot of them didn't agree with the risks Mick took. Hell, even I look back on some of them and I don't agree. He never should have taken those cell bumps, there's no reason for it. He's STILL not a millionaire for the risks he took, he's STILL not set for life, so say all you want about the ultimately worthless respect of the "fans" (who forget you the second you leave TV) and the "boys in the back" (who can't pay your bills for you), doing that kind of stuff without immediate financial gain is insane. For Hogan, the philosophy is pay me now, ask questions later. That may be greedy or make him an "idiot" (a very rich and accomplished idiot, if I'm allowed to insert a little fact into this sea of opinion) but it provides for Hogan and his family, and has for 20 years now.

Now, none of this means that I don't feel Hogan has done some unfair childish things over the years; of course he has. It doesn't mean I hate Mick Foley, but I don't respect him more than, say, the Rock. He was one of the many guys I liked, but I have to question his "greatness". If his psychology and wrestling was so sound, why did he need to take those bumps in the first place?








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The big difference between Hogan and Foley is that one started with a lot of physical gifts and size and the other had to bust his ass to overcome his lack of attributes.

Is Hogan a shrewd politician and good at making money for himself? Sure. And he's had some very memorable matches, even if they weren't technically worth squat. But here's a guy who was born on third base, then copied Billy Graham's character and got over huge. That didn't meant that he hit a triple.

Mick had to wallow in obscurity and do a lot more outlandish things to get himself noticed. He also shaved years off his career and probably his life in doing so. But I'd argue that he's left almost as impressive of a body of work as Hogan had. Was he a glorified jobber? Maybe. But switch bodies and let's see Hogan get as far in wrestling as Mick did.



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    Plus, Hogan said nothing that wasn't true. Hogan worked on his body. Hogan was training. Steroids were common at that time, the risks were not realized, and were not considered out of the ordinary to use, which you can't say about Mick's bumps. Hulk did all the hours Foley did, if not more. Maybe meeting with all those executives and make-a-wish kids isn't as glamourous as being beaten with barbed wire, but it was still part of the job; a part Hulk did brilliantly. I don't think, knowing Hogan as I do from following him for so long, that he meant "mick's a big loser who sucks" but a LOT of the old timers, people from Hogan's generation frowned upon the circus sideshow that Foley's matches became. A lot of them didn't agree with the risks Mick took. Hell, even I look back on some of them and I don't agree. He never should have taken those cell bumps, there's no reason for it. He's STILL not a millionaire for the risks he took, he's STILL not set for life, so say all you want about the ultimately worthless respect of the "fans" (who forget you the second you leave TV) and the "boys in the back" (who can't pay your bills for you), doing that kind of stuff without immediate financial gain is insane. For Hogan, the philosophy is pay me now, ask questions later. That may be greedy or make him an "idiot" (a very rich and accomplished idiot, if I'm allowed to insert a little fact into this sea of opinion) but it provides for Hogan and his family, and has for 20 years now.


I have absolutely no problem with Hulk's way of working -- I took him to task because instead of saying 'Mick wanted to be the human bump machine, and I trained in the gym and wanted to be a power wrestler', he said 'Mick sat around and ate cheeseburgers."

Well, you know, who the fuck cares? At the end of the day, both Mick *and* Hulk are pro wrestlers. End of story -- Hulk's way was his way, and that's perfectly cool. But, man, he is in no position to throw stones at anyone for their choices. Hogan spent a billion hours in the gym; Foley spent a billion hours getting his ass thrashed with flaming two-by-fours. They both brutalized their bodies (Foley, of course, taking it to the extreme) for audulation and money. There's no difference -- only degrees of the same thing.

You were right about my respect comment -- I should have clarified. Mick is a bestselling author as well as a wrestler. What's Hogan? A cartoon figure. In the mainstream, does anyone give a tuppeny damn about action figures and Wrestlemanias? Not really. Having best selling novels, OTOH, is something that *will* garner you respect. If Mick can spin something more polished after Tietam Brown, he may be well on his way to literary acceptance. Eat that, Hulk.

This may seem idealistic, but maybe Mick loved what he did. I'm not saying that he doesn't regret taking the horrific chair shots in front of his children, and I'm not saying he doesn't *slightly* regret the beat-down shape his body is in. He very well may -- but he may have genuinely loved his insane stunts. Why do indie wrestlers shunt around doing show after show for pennies? They know they're never going to bat with the major league -- they do it because they want to. And that says a lot.

Hey, big ups to Hulk for becoming a millionaire and the biggest name in SE. Why can't he be content with that and show a little respect for people who didn't do it his way? Hulk's way may have been saner, for sure, but he could learn a lot about class and respecting your colleagues from Mick.

AND THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE, BECAUSE...well, just because.

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    Originally posted by asteroidboy
    Mick had to wallow in obscurity and do a lot more outlandish things to get himself noticed. He also shaved years off his career and probably his life in doing so. But I'd argue that he's left almost as impressive of a body of work as Hogan had. Was he a glorified jobber? Maybe. But switch bodies and let's see Hogan get as far in wrestling as Mick did.

I used to be a huge Mick Foley fan. I ascribed to the "Foley Is God" religion. But you've got to be completely insane, or at the very least somewhat mentally challenged to believe that Foley's body of work is anywhere nearly as impressive as Hogan's. Wrestlemania III alone leaves anything Foley has ever done in the dust.
Saying that if they switched bodies, Hogan wouldn't be half the superstar that he is is not fair either. You obviously didn't read Hogan's My Dad's post. Could you honestly believe that Hogan would have made the same business decisions if he was not blessed with the body he had? And for as much as people love Foley, if he were in Hogan's position, there's no way in hell he would have done the same insane stunts to get over. He wouldn't have needed to. For as much as Hogan politics in the back, the one thing that cannot be taken away from him is that he's a huge draw. If other wrestlers didn't like his actions backstage so much, they should have complained. Or campaigned to get him fired. You know why they didn't? Because at the end of the day, Hogan helped feed their kids by being the main event of whatever card they wrestled on. Do you think people would have piled into Wrestlemania III if Steamboat had been main eventing against Andre? Not a chance in the world. Hogan was the draw. Everything else was icing on the cake (and in fairness to Steamboat and Savage, it was very good icing).

Edit: Hogan doesn't need to write bestselling novels. He might be a cartoon character, but as said before, he's a very wealthy cartoon character. Does Mick Foley write just for the respect it gives him? Maybe. Does he write to prove to the media that not all wrestlers are braindead? Maybe. Does he write because he genuinely likes it? Probably. But in the end, it comes down to dollars and cents. I dare to say that Mick Foley would not be writing had he made millions of dollars like Hogan did wrestling.

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A question for those of you more informed than myself: What is Mick's financial status? I'm going to be thoroughly shocked if I'm told he's less than very comfortable.

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    Edit: Hogan doesn't need to write bestselling novels. He might be a cartoon character, but as said before, he's a very wealthy cartoon character. Does Mick Foley write just for the respect it gives him? Maybe. Does he write to prove to the media that not all wrestlers are braindead? Maybe. Does he write because he genuinely likes it? Probably. But in the end, it comes down to dollars and cents. I dare to say that Mick Foley would not be writing had he made millions of dollars like Hogan did wrestling.


I don't think Mick particularly 'needs' to write either. Folks keep coming back to the 'Hulk is rich' fact, and you say it comes down to dollars and cents. Does it? Vince could buy and sell Hogan (haw, haw) forty times over, I'm sure, and I consider VKM to be a deeply troubled and sad individual. I think Mick may be *happier* (in fact, I'd be willing to bet he is) than Hogan any day of the week. And that's what I think it comes down to.

Maybe that's what HH is so jealous of -- Mick's satisfaction with his life. I'm sorry. I have no beef with Hogan specifically, and I have tons of respect for what he's done for wrestling, but his comments smacked of pettiness and straight out cheap-shot bitterness.

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    Originally posted by Kidbrooklyn
    I used to be a huge Mick Foley fan. I ascribed to the "Foley Is God" religion. But you've got to be completely insane, or at the very least somewhat mentally challenged to believe that Foley's body of work is anywhere nearly as impressive as Hogan's. Wrestlemania III alone leaves anything Foley has ever done in the dust.


I dunno. I'd rather watch Royal Rumble 2000, personally. Better backstory, better payoff. I'd also rather watch MindGames 96, RR 99 and KOTR 98 before I went back and watched anything of Hogan's, with the possible exception of WrestleMania 6.

I'm guessing that you're going on crowd reaction. Did any of Foley's matches garner near the response of a bazillion people blowing the roof off the Silverdome? Nope. But by your rationale, a Big Mac is the best tasting hamburger in the world because it's the most popular.


    Originally posted by Kidbrooklyn
    Saying that if they switched bodies, Hogan wouldn't be half the superstar that he is is not fair either. You obviously didn't read Hogan's My Dad's post. Could you honestly believe that Hogan would have made the same business decisions if he was not blessed with the body he had? And for as much as people love Foley, if he were in Hogan's position, there's no way in hell he would have done the same insane stunts to get over.


But it took a lot more commitment and guts to stick with it for as long as Foley did, to go to the extremes that he did. The man floundered for 10 years in obscurity before he got noticed, which was just as taxing as a broken ankle, I'll bet. What did he do in the meantime? He developed a personality. What did Hogan do? He tanned. Ooooooh, but he was popular.


    Originally posted by Kidbrooklyn
    He wouldn't have needed to. For as much as Hogan politics in the back, the one thing that cannot be taken away from him is that he's a huge draw. If other wrestlers didn't like his actions backstage so much, they should have complained. Or campaigned to get him fired. You know why they didn't? Because at the end of the day, Hogan helped feed their kids by being the main event of whatever card they wrestled on.


No one's disputing the almighty drawing power of Hulkamania.


    Originally posted by Kidbrooklyn
    Hogan doesn't need to write bestselling novels. He might be a cartoon character, but as said before, he's a very wealthy cartoon character. ...SNIP... But in the end, it comes down to dollars and cents.


No. No, it doesn't. Jay Leno probably makes lots more than David Letterman, too. Does that mean he's better?

Who knows if Foley would have written after his retirement? He seems to enjoy it. And he's already left quite a mark with his memoirs. As long as we're comparing the two, whose autobiography would YOU rather read?

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    Originally posted by Notorious F.A.B.
    Do you guys think that Mick could have been a big star back in Hogan's day?

    I have this pet theory that Mick got as big as he did because of the change in kayfabe. Back then I think he would have been Hogan's Quarterly Challenger, nestled between Bad News Brown and the Bossman.


No question kayfabe, and really the whole change in the way wrestling was presented, helped make Mick as big as he was. And I doubt he'd claim otherwise.

I don't even think Foley (let's say as Mankind or Cactus Jack) would have been a challenger to Hogan in the cartoonish 80's. Nothing against Mick -- not at all -- but he wasn't big enough, fat enough or muscular enough to be one of the big Hogan challengers back then. Maybe he would have had a one-off match on Saturday Night's Main Event....

(cue heavily-synthesized music at beginning of SNME):

"Hulk Hogan, tonight Mankind is finally going to face you one on one. You know what? I don't even care about who wins, I just want you to FEEL MY PAIN! Have a nice day..."

"Mankind, brother, tonight I've gotta face you for my WWF title. Let me tell you something, dude, you may be crazy, you may like sticking your hand in people's mouth, but with all my Hulkamaniacs behind me, we're gonna be sending right back to the nut-house, brother..."



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Since: 13.7.02
From: Austin

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#18 Posted on
This is quite possibly the best and most intelligently presented debate I've ever seen on the board. Congratulations to everyone who is participating, and doing so so respectfully.

A lot of good points are coming up, but I only want to base my interpretation on the way both men are presenting themselves at this, what should realistically be the end of their careers. But the problem for me is that, Foley left wrestling because he was burnt out and tired and not a fan of the depths to which the WWE was sinking at the time. When he returned, it was financially based, of that I won't argue. Mick got a paycheck he may have needed, and publicity for the book, which would also result in a paycheck. At least optimistically.

Hogan, through all backstage and related accounts (of which all are considered less than canon), is a shrewd businessman. His ultimate goal is a paycheck as well. But for some reason, I can't shake this undeniable feeling that, Mick Foley came back because he needed the money, and maybe he missed the sport and his fans and all of that, but each Hogan return is so greenback-based that I can't help but consider him a complete whore. Sure, Hogan's contributions are legendary. But so are Mick's, in an entirely different way and for different reasons. People love Hogan for the mainstream attention he brought to the game (some hate him for the same reason, I'm sure), while they love Mick for his unabashed willingness to fall off cages and risk his body to entertain the fans.

Both men did their jobs very well. It's just that, as time has gone by, Mick's reputation as an entertainer stands, while Hogan's starts to turn into one less positive. The marks love Hogan, and god bless him for being a cartoon character or a hero or whatever. But I won't once be fooled that Hogan is in it for more than himself, while Mick at least started his path because of his love for the game.
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Since: 12.10.02
From: Canada

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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.15
There's a lot of good points being made here but in the past year we've seen both Mick Foley and Hulk Hogan on television and Hogan's the one whose body is more broken down. Hogan can't even stand up straight anymore!

I hope a lot of the guys, especially Hogan and Vince, who are ingesting massive amounts of steroids at an old age took a good long look at the past 10 years of Superstar Billy Graham's life, why he's lucky he's not dead and why he's in a wheelchair.

The argument wasn't over who's a better performer, it was that Hulk Hogan said that Foley didn't respect his body because he's not a jacked up freak when infact, Foley probably showed MORE respect for his body by not doing so. His heart, his liver, his kidneys, are probably all in a hell of a lot better shape then Hogan and most wrestlers.

Mick Foley and Hulk Hogan are polar opposites in what drives them and what they want out of life. I know it's a hard concept for some people to grasp but not money does not always equal happiness. Mick Foley is a very happy man, who saved all his money, and CAN live comfortably for the rest of his life. He didn't come back for the money, he came back to give his new book - his new career - some exposure and because he loves the business. He's a guy that puts everyone else ahead of himself and that's a rarity. His thoughts of coming back for an occasional match are to make Randy Orton into a superstar.

Mick Foley DID take a lot of big bumps and that's all people see if that's all they want to see. They don't see the fact he didn't do anything his body couldn't handle (no painkillers). He knew how to make them meaningful in the context of a match. He could cut a better promo then almost anyone short of Ric Flair. He didn't miss huge amounts of time with muscle tears and big injuries. He didn't need neck surgery.
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Since: 24.7.02
From: winnipeg

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#20 Posted on
You know, I respect a person who is known for being honest, forthright, and hard working. Not some whiny, politiking fat cat who lays in the weeds and schemes against his co-workers.

And about the comments of some people who equate Hogan being a multi-millionaire with "being able to feed his kids". That's ridiculous. A bus driver makes enough money to feed his kids - Is he any less of a good person because he's not worth millions?

Think of it this way - Foley's like the bus driver, and Hogan's the Fortune 500 CEO polluting the air above you to make an extra 2 mil.



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