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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.89

Well first thing's first, they give you a reprint of Pun's first appearance. Amazing Spider-man 148... I think, says on the damn comic.

A cool little think, but not huge.

Well they did change the storyline a bit, not a huge amount, but enough to make it noticeable to someone who'd read the books. Mostly cause Frank Castle couldn't be a 'Nam vet with the timeline being that it's happening in 2003 (I think that's what it was). And they kill off his ENTIRE family, rather than just wife and kid(s).

Bad side... NO FUCKIN' MICROCHIP! WHAT!? I cry foul! Wrong! Damn them! Damn the screenwriters and the yahoo at Marvel that allowed that travesty to happen.

Now Travolta is a good villain, that should be his thing... as long as he isn't playing the villain in a movie based on a book by L. Ron Hubbard.

Thomas Jane, who looks like Aaron Eckheart and has a Viggo Mortensen-as-Strider vibe to how he is playing his character. He does a good job, and luckily the writing and his acting doesn't convey Castle/Punisher as a whiny little bastard, but manages to... oh be silent, and brooding most of the time. Still if you didn't like him in the comics steer clear.

There is a lot of situation humor, some intentional stuff, but it's not the focal point. Still the stuff that's there is good.

And like the comic Pun does get jacked up in fights. It's fitting.

While it worked over all I am not gonna say it's a great movie. It's a decent, adequate movie. Hellboy was better, but then I am a Ron Pearlman mark sooooooo you decide.

I give it a 2.659134 outta five. Could have been better. But it didn't suck, and the action was good.
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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.25
This was agood movie, but had somethings they should have change. I would put a little more action in it seem a little lite on that side. Rebacca Stainmos (lady from X-men) I didn't like her character at all, she was just annoying. I wish they took her out of the movie.





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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.54
I'm torn on the movie, being a gigantic Punisher fan.

I understand why they didn't make the punisher his true age. In the comic right now, he's in his 60s, and I guess that wouldn't work unless they got a Clint Eastwood or Robert Redford type actor for the part. They wanted somebody young and hip, and Thomas Jane is acceptable, I suppose.

As for Microchip, he's been dead a while (But, of course, he's back in the comics started with the new MAX run). They based the movie on the most popular Punisher series in years ("Welcome Back Frank" and the new run) by Garth Ennis, and Micro wasn't a part of those (until, as previously stated, a few months ago).

The problem is that they took a 12 issue series, changed it a bit, and put it in a 2 hour movie. The stuff with the neighbors worked in the comics because there was enough time to make them into characters, and enough time for the reader to like them. If they would have cut out Bumpo and Spacker Dave, and just kept in Joan, it might have worked better. If they would have cut them all out totally, I don't think anybody would have really cried foul.

They've already stated that if they make a sequel, Jigsaw will be the #1 bad guy. I like that. I'd like to see a New York setting, as well. We'll see if the movie is successful this weekend, going against Kill Bill, and saddled by some bad reviews by critics.

It wasn't "Spider-Man" but it was better than "Captain America", "The Punisher" (original), and "Daredevil". I hope they get the chance to do a (better) sequel.




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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.91
I was not a big comic reader as a kid (or since), and this was my first exposure to Punisher in any way. And I really enjoyed it. I was actually pleasantly surprised.

The Marvel movies to me (sans X-Men) follow a pretty basic formula and just alternate the players. In this case, they created a hero out of a tragedy instead of giving somebody superpowers out of a freak accident, but otherwise this was paint-by-numbers. But it's a formula that's worked well every time, and it worked well here.

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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.67
Man, talk about ridiculous violence! Guys getting tossed through walls! Burning soup in the face! Knives through throats! Enough trip-bombs to choke a horse! A train!

As only a casual Punisher reader, I'm not sure how much was changed/altered. Joan is much less attractive in the comics, right? Not that I'm complaining about Rebecca Romijin.

Was it just my screen or were there some pretty glaring editing/sound problems in the film? A few frames seemed out of place, and the timeline of Frank's return (the son calls Saint, Saint sees the tombstone, and THEN Frank makes his presence known to the general public?) seems kind of weird.

My favourite scene was the fight with the Russian; Nash was pretty much unrecognizable in the role (my friends didn't believe it was him).



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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.31
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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.00
As a "student" of the old Punisher movie, I have to ask: if they do make a New York sequel, will "New York" have PALM TREES this time around?!



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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.85
I hated the whole Tampa setting of this movie. Punisher just seemed out of his element in nice, sunny Florida.

I thought the movie was decent, could've been better. John Travolta wasn't much of a villain and his character came off as too sympathetic. Plus I don't like how The Punisher is getting revenge for someone else taking REVENGE on him. It worked better in the comics that his family was just caught in the crossfire instead of this melodramatic bullshit where these hitmen slaughter his whole family. But not just his wife and kids, but his father and mother, his second cousins, his geese, and his field mice. Where was the scene that shows the hitmen going to a sperm bank and killing the Castle seed?

The characters of Joan, Dave, and Bumpo weren't really that much like their comic counterparts from the Garth Ennis WELCOME BACK FRANK story...nor was the Russian. Though I was very happy to see the film retain the popsicle torture from Punisher: War Journal.

In the comic continuity Frank was a vietnam veteran and should be well into his 50's but he still seems to retain quite a youthful appearance. I guess that can be attributed to Frank at one point being a warrior for Heaven (no joke, Frank killed for God). When Ennis started doing Punisher he threw all that out, but Frank remained young.

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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.54
    Originally posted by The Vile1
    In the comic continuity Frank was a vietnam veteran and should be well into his 50's but he still seems to retain quite a youthful appearance. I guess that can be attributed to Frank at one point being a warrior for Heaven (no joke, Frank killed for God). When Ennis started doing Punisher he threw all that out, but Frank remained young.

    (edited by The Vile1 on 19.4.04 1138)


Young looking, maybe, but Ennis has never hid the secret of Frank's age. In fact, check out the new MAX series, and see how old Frank looks and feels. It's an integral part of the new storyline. And Ennis kept his Vietnam Vetness fully intact -- look at the Born series from earlier this year.



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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.85
    Originally posted by Roy.
      Originally posted by The Vile1
      In the comic continuity Frank was a vietnam veteran and should be well into his 50's but he still seems to retain quite a youthful appearance. I guess that can be attributed to Frank at one point being a warrior for Heaven (no joke, Frank killed for God). When Ennis started doing Punisher he threw all that out, but Frank remained young.

      (edited by The Vile1 on 19.4.04 1138)


    Young looking, maybe, but Ennis has never hid the secret of Frank's age. In fact, check out the new MAX series, and see how old Frank looks and feels. It's an integral part of the new storyline. And Ennis kept his Vietnam Vetness fully intact -- look at the Born series from earlier this year.


I'm not disputing that. I'm saying that the reason he doesn't look the age he is, of what a guy with his occupation has been through is because of that Heavenly savior bs business. So in some respects in the comic world you can kind of explain how Frank doesn't really age or at least look his age if he's supposed to be in his 50's or 60's.




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