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Listeners of the B.S. Report for the last year or so will recall Bill Simmons and Dan LeBetard throwing around the wacky idea of co-hosting PTI together. And here we are a short time later...and Bill Simmons and Dan LeBetard are co-hosting PTI.

Well...it was different. It wasn't terrible, I'll give them that. It had its good moments, though giving Simmons a Patriots segment almost right off the bat was not a wise move. Anyone else find it funny to hear Simmons, of all people, throw out the word "homer" before going to the first break.

Anyway, minor annoyances aside, this wasn't entirely awful. So with Kornheiser and Wilbon not getting any younger (and let's be honest, with Kornheiser not being a huge favorite of management), are we seeing the future of PTI here? Think Simmons and LeBetard might get this gig for good in about...I dunno...3 or 4 years from now?




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I'm still wary of just how basketball heavy a Simmons/LeBetard PTI would be, but hopefully Simmons can come back full-circle into hockey to at least balance that out.

Banter-wise, they aren't Kornheiser and Wilbon but not many are. It's a different style, a little less on the loud voices though LeBetard can ratchet up the volume if he wants. But they're good nonetheless.

    Originally posted by It's False
    Anyone else find it funny to hear Simmons, of all people, throw out the word "homer" before going to the first break.


That was mostly likely the point.




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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.45
    Originally posted by It's False
    are we seeing the future of PTI here?








What makes PTI work is the chemistry between Wilbon and Kornheiser. LeBetard is a nice sub and I enjoy his shtick, but long-term you're just not going to re-create that. (Not that it will stop ESPN from trying when the time comes.)



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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.84
    Originally posted by TheOldMan
    What makes PTI work is the chemistry between Wilbon and Kornheiser. LeBetard is a nice sub and I enjoy his shtick, but long-term you're just not going to re-create that. (Not that it will stop ESPN from trying when the time comes.)


The odd thing is, though, I think there's a similar kind of chemistry between Simmons and LeBatard. It's come out when they've done Simmons' podcast together and it showed in today's show. They're not going to re-create what TK and Wilbon had, but they have their own chemistry that can probably carry the show someday. And it's worth noting that this was the best PTI guest spot for LeBatard since...well...ever. LeBatard is surprisingly more than tolerable when he isn't trying to play the goofball to older guys like TK, Wilbon, and Bob Ryan. When he plays it straight (well, as straight as LeBatard can play it), he's very good.

And I will say that I got a good laugh out of LeBatard and Simmons ganging up on Reali over his mid-show correction.

(edited by It's False on 12.8.11 2242)


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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.97

Lebatard has his own show starting soon on the deuce.

Simmons has often said he's not good at TV and does PTI since (like most folks) he loves working with Rydholm and his staff.





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    Originally posted by It's False
    And it's worth noting that this was the best PTI guest spot for LeBatard since...well...ever. LeBatard is surprisingly more than tolerable when he isn't trying to play the goofball to older guys like TK, Wilbon, and Bob Ryan.
As a listener to the LeBatard Show, I wasn't surprised, but certainly pleased. He has shown himself on his radio show to be a well-reasoned, open-minded analyst who lets his co-host be the cartoon. It gives me hope for his Espn2 show, because I think his father will also provide the comedic aspect, allowing him to be his natural self.



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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.61
    Originally posted by hansen9j
      Originally posted by It's False
      And it's worth noting that this was the best PTI guest spot for LeBatard since...well...ever. LeBatard is surprisingly more than tolerable when he isn't trying to play the goofball to older guys like TK, Wilbon, and Bob Ryan.
    As a listener to the LeBatard Show, I wasn't surprised, but certainly pleased. He has shown himself on his radio show to be a well-reasoned, open-minded analyst who lets his co-host be the cartoon. It gives me hope for his Espn2 show, because I think his father will also provide the comedic aspect, allowing him to be his natural self.

Thanks to a friend's suggestion, I listen to the LeBatard podcast every day. I thought I would hate it because I assumed Dan LeBatard on the radio was the same Dan LeBatard I saw on PTI. Man was I ever wrong.

Like you, I expect his ESPN2 show to show more of the Dan LeBatard we hear on the radio and less of the "BAM!" Dan LeBatard we see on PTI. And I think that can only be a good thing.

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Seriously, I have to ask: what is the appeal of Simmons? I've seen him on PTI and he is as out of place there as Rick Reilly is when ESPN does that stupid 'annual experiment' of him hosting Sportscenter. He is a decent writer but I'll never understand why ESPN is pimping him so hard as the future of the brand.

If you want to have a host-in-waiting for PTI, why not have it be Michael Smith? JA Adande? You can't tell me those guys aren't smarter and more charismatic than Simmons is on TV. Or are we really in this day and age still too worried about shows being 'too black'?













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The love for Simmons is he is a closet nerd and has great stories about Vegas. He is also a Boston homer which ESPN being in NE is a positive for them. I did love how LeBatard punked him on England not winning a playoff game in four years. Simmons looked like a deer in headlights after that comment like how dare you bring up the fact that NE hasn't won anything since they cheated. I love Dan and I am cool with him taking over and as long as he is able to get comments in like that will Bill, I am ok with that team. The best team would be a Around the Horn's Bo and Tony Reali since Reali would be seem to be taking the torch for his past mentors.



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I used to like Simmons but he's become a horrible, lazy writer for the most part over the last 5-6 years. I don't understand the love he still gets. And what's up with the pornstache?





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    Originally posted by lotjx
    The love for Simmons is he is a closet nerd and has great stories about Vegas. He is also a Boston homer which ESPN being in NE is a positive for them. I did love how LeBatard punked him on England not winning a playoff game in four years. Simmons looked like a deer in headlights after that comment like how dare you bring up the fact that NE hasn't won anything since they cheated. I love Dan and I am cool with him taking over and as long as he is able to get comments in like that will Bill, I am ok with that team. The best team would be a Around the Horn's Bo and Tony Reali since Reali would be seem to be taking the torch for his past mentors.


And this is reason #4573 that Simmons is a dipshit. If I was in his place on PTI I would say this...

"Well Dan LeRetard, er, LeBatard, I will say this: the Patriots regular season winning percentage after they were stopped from 'cheating' has been better than before they were stopped from 'cheating'. They won 3 super bowls prior to that but in that same timeframe they also missed the playoffs twice and blew a huge halftime lead in the 2006 AFCCG. If the taping was the reason for their success then what happened in those situations?

Their playoff record has been bad since the taping was stopped but they were a fluke catch away from winning a 4th super bowl to cap off a perfect season. Also, some of the the main parts of their defense from their super bowl teams, guys like Harrison, Bruschi, Vrabel, were at or near the end of their careers. Since then they've had to rebuild the defense over the past few seasons. Offense can carry you in the regular season but you need a good defense in the playoffs to have success, which the Patriots haven't had.

IMHO, 'Spygate' will eventually be viewed as the most overbown controversy in NFL history. Goodell punished them so hard because since he became commissioner he had punished players very hard for violations and transgresions. After the 'cheating' by the Pats happened he was under pressure to apply the same kind of punishment to a coach that he had done to players. New England and Belichick was the wrong team and coach in the wrong place at the wrong time."




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Why is "cheating" in "quotation" marks? They did cheat. I'm not nearly as offended by their, very real, transgressions as the networks are/were but they still cheated. Regular season records only go so far in arguments. Ask Schottenheimer.

J.A. Adande is never entertaining.

Simmons has become a complete hack over the years. He was the everyman of sports writing/observation but has become so blinded by the light, and revved up like a deuce, that he is a lazy parody of his former self. Grantland desperately needs an editor.who will read more than the first paragraph of whatever is posted. And don't even start trying to legitimize the HumbleBrag columns. Simmons' life has become a HumbleBrag.

(edited by Stefonics on 13.8.11 2250)
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They cheated, no question about that. I would argue the media has downplayed their crime due to ESPN being in NE. Also, they got a $100,000 fine that is chicken shit money in the NFL. I would say Goddell has been harder on players due to how weak willed he was with the Patriots and was rightfully called on it. Regardless, Simmons had zero come back when LeBatard hit him with that fact and that is why I think his Boston homerism will get him in trouble.

(edited by lotjx on 13.8.11 2144)


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This, too, shall pass. Who remembers the first Super Bowl winner who was caught having skirted the salary cap during their Super Bowl winning years?

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    Originally posted by BOSsportsfan34
    And what's up with the pornstache?


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    Originally posted by lotjx
    They cheated, no question about that. I would argue the media has downplayed their crime due to ESPN being in NE. Also, they got a $100,000 fine that is chicken shit money in the NFL. I would say Goddell has been harder on players due to how weak willed he was with the Patriots and was rightfully called on it. Regardless, Simmons had zero come back when LeBatard hit him with that fact and that is why I think his Boston homerism will get him in trouble.

    (edited by lotjx on 13.8.11 2144)


How short is your memory? They were fined $500K and lost a 1st round pick. Downplayed in the media? To quote The Miz, "Really?" Many of the ESPN talking heads were trashing them.

As for ESPN being pro NE/Boston due to its location, they are in Bristol, CT. In that part of New England there are many more fans of NY teams than there are of Boston teams. I would think people in other areas of the country would have the opinion that ESPN is biased towards New York teams as well as Boston teams.



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    Originally posted by Stefonics
    Why is "cheating" in "quotation" marks? They did cheat. I'm not nearly as offended by their, very real, transgressions as the networks are/were but they still cheated. Regular season records only go so far in arguments. Ask Schottenheimer. (edited by Stefonics on 13.8.11 2250)


My point was that some point out to that being the only reason they won 3 Super Bowls. In the timeframe they were doing the taping they also had seasons where they didn't make the playoffs at all and were eliminated even before they made the Super Bowl.

They've been rebuilding the defense for the past several years which started to slip after the 3rd SB win. Ty Law left the team. Guys like Harrison, McGinnest, and Vrabel started to age and either retired or left NE. Bruschi had a stroke and was never the same player after. This has more to do with the lack of playoff success in recent years. The Patriots have become the Colts prior to their SB win.



    Originally posted by Stefonics
    Simmons has become a complete hack over the years. He was the everyman of sports writing/observation but has become so blinded by the light, and revved up like a deuce, that he is a lazy parody of his former self. Grantland desperately needs an editor.who will read more than the first paragraph of whatever is posted. And don't even start trying to legitimize the HumbleBrag columns. Simmons' life has become a HumbleBrag.

    (edited by Stefonics on 13.8.11 2250)


This we agree on.



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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.27
I used to really like Simmons writing, but it's not really his strong point anymore. The Book of Basketball thorough, but it might have burned him out on the whole writing thing.

I do enjoy the Podcasts, but when he isn't totally focused you can tell and they can be really sloppy.

I don't think Simmons is made for tv. I like him on PTI as a fill in.

Grantland has turned out to be a fairly decent site thus far. I can usually find one article a day worth reading and every now and then there is something that I find really good like the Barry Zito piece

    http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/6832278/the-end-barry-zito


Then there was the 30 for 30 idea, which was just a home run.

Bill Simmons has made ESPN a shit ton of money and he brings a huge college age demographic with him. There are established writers (ie: Jason Whitlock) out there that would love to just have a slice of what Simmons has. Even if you think Bill Simmons is a complete douche bag he's changed the ESPN culture in ways a lot of us probably take for granted.

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Again, $500,000 is chickenshit money and they loss one of their two first round draft picks. They should have forfeited the Jets game and Bill should have been banned 4 games. ESPN talking heads now dismiss the cheating and when someone like Labatard brings up how weak sauce the Pats have been since their 2007 loss its a breath of fresh air. There are a lot of good regular season teams that get ousted in the playoffs, the Pats are one of those teams in the last few years.



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    Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco
    Bill Simmons has made ESPN a shit ton of money and he brings a huge college age demographic with him.


I wonder if this is still true. Are 19 year old college students still interested in hearing a man old enough to be their father make 15-year or more old references to "Melrose Place", "The Karate Kid", and "Beverly Hills 90210"? I know he talks about Jersey Shore all the time. Is that enough? I honestly don't pretend to know what the kids enjoy anymore.



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