Well, after playing a bit more, I'm not AS dissapointed in it.
Revolution mode is boring as shit. You basically have 6 different missions, but the names of the people are changed. With 175 missions, you'll be doing each thing around 30 times by the time your game is over. Sounds pretty damn boring to me.
However, Chaos mode is pure mindless fun. Blowing shit up and killing people with with no discretion.
In conclusion, Chaos mode rocks, and Revolution mode sucks. But you need to do revolution mode to unlock people.
First off, forget everything you know about Grand Theft Auto 3 except for its sick sense of humor. That's about the only immediate similarity between the two.
GTA3 is a long, drawn-out game with an incredible amount of autonomy; you can spend hours just exploring the territory and doing whatever comes to mind. SoE is a MUCH faster-paced game, and doesn't have anywhere near that amount of complexity. If GTA3 is an epic miniseries, SoE is a sitcom. Not that that is a bad thing, mind you -- you just need to be in more of an instant-gratification mood to play SoE.
As far as the gameplay goes, you control one of (initially) two aspiring freedom-fighters loose in a shopping mall. You run in any direction with the analog pad, and throw out punch-kick-running tackle-grab attacks in a very Final Fight/Golden Axe-ish manner (but in 3D here, of course). Attacks are easy to chain together, and you can easily switch targets to fend off several opponents at once. If you're overwhelmed by numbers, a special 360-degree attack will do very little damage but will knock people away from you in all directions.
You can pick up handheld weapons (billy clubs, bats, hatchets, etc.) and whack people, pick up guns (ranging from pistols and Uzis to rocket and grenade launchers) to shoot people, or pick up furniture and items (trash cans, stools, park benches, looters' TVs/VCRs/cash registers, etc.) to bash with and toss around. Aiming the guns will likely be a hassle until I work out the camera system, though (unlike GTA3) you can strafe in this game. There is no auto-targeting feature; you just have to aim straight, which can be easier said than done.
And, yes, you can cut off someone's head or arm, pick it up and use it as a bludgeon. Sing along: WHAT DOES EVERYBODY WANT???
"Kaos" mode is a timed free-for-all with extra weapons respawning around the terrain, where bludgeoning the bad guys gives you time and health bonuses. The timed "Chaos" modes (yes, they're really called that) give you three or five minutes in which to reach score plateaus; you can unlock unlimited time Chaos modes by completing them.
"Revolution" mode puts you in an untimed mission-based structure. You meet up with rebel agents who assign you missions, which you may accept or decline; many of the missions may have several components, to be completed one at a time. These are generally quick smash-and-grab missions; escort person X to their destination, keep Corporation agents out of building Y, go find object Z and bring it to a designated location, that sort of thing. If you fail a mission, you can try it again without penalty as long as you're still alive. When not in a mission, you can go around and kick ass, search for health powerups/weapons and otherwise have free-flowing fun, but the environment is necessarily much less expansive than that of GTA3.
Is the game repetitive as a whole? Certainly seems like it so far. But so were Double Dragon and Final Fight, and they spawned an entire genre. Think of this game as the fastest, most colorful, most sadistic Double Dragon in 3D you can imagine and you're on the right track.
Oh yeah -- the sense of humor still rocks. "Would the owner of a white sedan, license plate -------, please report to the security office. Your car is on fire."
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After playing the game some more..my opinion on it is more positive now. Revolution mode was a BAD place to start out in, Chaos mode is just so fucking sweet. But, eventually I had to go back to Rev. mode to unlock more characters.
And, well, with lessened expectations for it, Revolution mode is now more fun. But...damn that "Defend Candy Girl" mission is hard.
"The icon you found recharges every so many hours, so grab it again whenever you've taken a beating. It's invaluable for certain missions (like Pump-Action Pimp early on) and for rampages."
God, I hated that mission.
Only way I could get past it was by rear ending their car, then cutting to the front of their car, and turning the driver's side away from them. I let the pimp and his driver shoot the shit out of the car, then buggered out as fast as I could when the thing caught fire. Fortunately, the explosion killed them both, and not me.
I'm eagerly awaiting the chance to pick up State of Emergency though. Hopefully it doesn't get banned or some shit before I can.
I doubt that'll happen, but the workers at Babbage's were saying it might, and that would suck.
No matter how bad things may get, just imagine what would happen if Vince Russo was booking again, and you will feel better.
If you're going to do it the normal way, the best way I found was to fill up on armor and health, then pull in front of their car at a stoplight to pen them in. (As long as they haven't been touched yet, they'll just sit there.) Go to the passenger's side and shoot the car ONCE, then switch to the baseball bat; when the pimp gets out, club him before he can shoot you. Use whatever weapon is desired (bat, pistol, the dropped shotgun) to dispose of the driver.
If you're going to do it the FUN way (i.e. with full knowledge of the hidden bonuses, etc.), start collecting hidden packages REAL early. You can get 30 of them in Portland before taking on the pimp, which means you'll have grenades. Cut him off, walk around to the side of his car, drop a grenade by the door and run away.
(Alternative: collect the Molotov cocktails that the bums in the tunnel behind 8-Ball's are carrying. Molotov the pimp car, and both of them will get out INTO THE FLAMES. You need to run away for that, though, as they stay alive for a couple of seconds and can blast you.)
As for SoE, it is NOT getting banned in the US. If you live in Australia, you're probably out of luck, but you can be sure it'll survive stateside. The worst that'll happen is that moralists like Falwell and Joe Lieberman will have a field day blaming it for all of society's woes.
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I blame Falwell and Lieberman for a good deal of society's woes, trying to censor every damn thing as if their moral standard is so much higher than everyone else's. They're politicians, how damn moral can they really be?
Yeah, that was a stereotype. But anyway, nah, man, I can't see any game not rated AO ever being banned in the U.S. Freedom of speech and all that. Censorship is definitely frowned upon. But I'm a firm believer that parents should carefully monitor what games their kids are renting and buying. I work at Blockbuster, and when I see parents wanting to rent, for example, GTA3 for their kids, I tell 'em, “You know this is an M-rated game, right?”
Once tonight, that resulted in the parent choosing not to rent the game. But hey, it's all good, because I don't wanna have the parents coming into the store bitching at me later for not warning 'em ahead of time. There are quite a few games out there that simply aren't suitable for children, and it's amazing how naive parents are about video games. They are becoming as legitimate a form of entertainment as movies are.
When I purchased GTA3 from Wal-Mart, I was carded. I'm 19, so that's cool and all. And I'm glad they did that, 'cause kids shouldn't be playing it unless they're mature enough.
But outright censorship? Nah, man, this is America, and one of the reasons we're fighting is to protect the right for responsible adults to play whatever they damn well feel like.
Bought SoE yesterday and figured I might as well put my two cents in.
OK, so the game is somehwat disappointing. I dunno, I think almost everyoine got wrapped into the hype and was expecting GTA4 already, but alas, it was not to be. Before I played it, I was t elling people it was gonna be like GTA3 without cars, but that description doesn't come close. It's a totally different world out there. Despite all this, though, it is a fun game. The mall was an awesome place to start off and some of the missions were pretty tough. The one where you have to defend the Candy Girl comes to mind. Those damn kamakazee(sp?) bombers were the worst part about it because I had to beat them up each time since I was all out of ammo so you take two big blows and then have to run back to base.
By the way, when did everyone get the game? I was under the impression it wasn't out until yesterday(Saturday) and didn't go until then. Circuity City still didn't have it(which was a shame because they were selling it for $10 less than everyone else), but Best Buy still had copies. It was weird because they weren't on the rack and I had to ask someone there if they had any. They had maybe ten on a counter somewhere and I'm wondering if that's all they had left. By the way, if you haven't bought it, don't bother with the strategy guide. I know Best Buy was selling it for like $5 when you buy the game, but even then it's pretty worthless from what I saw in it. The missions are all pretty self explanatory (so far) so I'm not sure what good the guide would do.
"Damn you Rock-Em Sock-Em Robots! Can't we all just get along?"
I've been on holiday for a week and a half and this thread is still going? Excellent. This thread is the surrogate Video Games forum! Anyway, we don't get SoE here until next month when we also finally get Metal Gear Solid 2. Which do I get first? How long does MGS take to finish and is it as short as the original? Is SoE sufficiently good enough to warrant instead? All opinions welcomed.
"Nobody enjoys a good time more than I do, but this business of yours is as legitimate as a three-legged donkey...which of course is illegitimate because as we all know donkeys have four legs."
At the risk of having CRZ yell at me to shut up, I will answer this one question:
MGS2 can't easily be completed in one sitting, unless you're like me and one sitting consitutes eight, nine hours. I haven't played SoE, so I can't compare them. But MGS2 is hardly the “perfect game” that Gamespot makes them out to be.
Now I'll shut up for the better part of the day. At least until RAW's over, most likely.
Originally posted by QubberI've been on holiday for a week and a half and this thread is still going? Excellent. This thread is the surrogate Video Games forum! Anyway, we don't get SoE here until next month when we also finally get Metal Gear Solid 2. Which do I get first? How long does MGS take to finish and is it as short as the original? Is SoE sufficiently good enough to warrant instead? All opinions welcomed.
I'm not sure where "here" is, but as long as it's not Australia you should be in good shape.
Comparing SoE to MGS2 is like comparing a monster truck to a Trans Am. They're completely different gaming experiences; MGS2 rewards stealth and planning, SoE is a raw adrenaline rush. MGS2 has cut scenes, a substantial plot and a wildly popular predecessor; SoE has freedom-fighter maniacs running through a shopping mall beating on security guards with a severed head. Which one you'll want first will depend on what kind of mood you're in at the time.
As far as beat-em-ups go, SoE seems very good to me so far; fast action, an uncomplicated button-masher control scheme, a warped sense of humor, and no complicated plot to strain yer brain. But anyone who buys it thinking that it's GTA 3.5 (as, apparently, many did) will be disappointed. A ton of people will be disappointed by SoE, simply because it followed a masterpiece and was a different kind of game while people were screaming for more of the same.
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I hate to derail a perfectly good GTA3/SoE topic, but have any of you tried Dynasty Warriors III? It doesn't have the modern day setting or edgy 18+ storyline, but as a beat-em-up game I've been happily playing it for a few months, over MGS2 and Final Fantasy X. Of course, since it's made by Koei, I figure most people would just look the other way.. but hey, it's worth trying, and it's 2 player!
Dynasty Warriors 3 is a very fun game. Two player is awesome. I just want a Romance of the Three Kingdoms/Dynasty Warriors hybrid. So I can choose my own battles, and then fight them in 3d. That would be so awesome.
Syndication, grasshopper, syndication. Pitfall, for all I know, could have been a 4am special in Chicago. That was the truth for the later remake of Break the Bank. As well, not all of the time is a show going to be cleared in every market.