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Since: 16.2.02
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Officials Unveil WTC Rebuilding Plans

Quite honestly, I think all of the plans proposed stink. While the memorial park is a good idea, the building plans are just merely modified version of the same thing. The design is so plain vanilla that it doesn't really make it stand out as something special.

I wish this plan was given serious consideration, but it looks like it won't be.



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I wish this plan was given serious consideration, but it looks like it won't be.

Hmm. Perhaps someone was put off by the use of "Falling" from "Twin Peaks" as the proposal's soundtrack.

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Since: 18.3.02
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I don't know about the alternative plan, but I agree that 6 that were presented are just **blah**.

While I understand and agree with the need to preserve a memorial to the 9/11 victims, I don't see how cowering behind "so-called" safe designs and shorter buildings is honoring them.

If we're going to go with several shorter buildings, then they need to be a showcase both inside and out. A cultural and economic mecca...if you weeeelll.

Sorry couldn't resist that last part...this is after all a wrestling board.

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i kinda wished they left the last beam standing and planted grass and developed a park around it...
"Here lies the last fragment of the 110 story Tower 1 [or 2?]"
i hear that it's going to be melted down or something...


i find it odd that they landfill that they took the debris to be sorted was called "Fresh Kills landfill"
didn't anyone notice that the name might be a tad untasteful considering the circumstances...guess it was the closest landfill...





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I'm no architect, I don't know what they should do specifically, but I would like to see two long thin towers rising as high as the WTC atop two of the office buildings.

I don't even know if that's physically feasible, but...



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Since: 17.1.02
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"i find it odd that they landfill that they took the debris to be sorted was called "Fresh Kills landfill"
didn't anyone notice that the name might be a tad untasteful considering the circumstances...guess it was the closest landfill"
Sorry don't know how to do the quote feature.

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Since: 2.1.02
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#7 Posted on

    Originally posted by Swordsman Yen
    I wish this plan was given serious consideration, but it looks like it won't be.


I like this one!!! I have to agree that the ones they are looking at are just so "blah"...



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Of the six plans I like the Promenade plan the best. Old streets that were cut off when the WTC was built would be recreated which would help ease some of the traffic problems downtown. The memorial areas would be seperate from the commercial areas so that the people that want a place to mourn and relect can do so.

The WTC2002 plan looks cool but it just doesn't fit the neighborhood at all. I just don't want to imagine what that project will cost.



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Since: 3.1.02
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In another nod to the Promenade Plan, I like the skyline that this plan proposes the best - the two spires rising to 1500 feet give it a WTC feel.



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Since: 2.1.02
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#10 Posted on

    Originally posted by cranlsn
    I don't know about the alternative plan, but I agree that 6 that were presented are just **blah**.

    While I understand and agree with the need to preserve a memorial to the 9/11 victims, I don't see how cowering behind "so-called" safe designs and shorter buildings is honoring them.

    If we're going to go with several shorter buildings, then they need to be a showcase both inside and out. A cultural and economic mecca...if you weeeelll.

It's a memorial site, not Disneyland. They're not gonna dress it up like Vegas and have people wearing giant foam tower suits walking the grounds to take pictures with tourists.

I thought all the proposed designs were very tasteful and appropriate. Personally, I like the Promenade Plan.



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Since: 2.1.02
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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.22

    Originally posted by Swordsman Yen
    I wish this plan was given serious consideration, but it looks like it won't be.


I agree, the six plans they have proposed are uniformly dull, vanilla, and uninspiring. The plan you have suggested is very - round. I would suggest the following: Concept Of Jose Baldo (a minor architect from Spain).

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Since: 7.1.02
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First, I would suggest that it is really up to what the owner likes, and the rest of us really don't have a dog in this fight.

Second, and I'm just guessing, I figure that 'dull', 'vanilla' and 'uninspiring' probably equates to 'cheaper'. You can't ignore cost considerations with this.

Third, the owner is going to be under tremendous pressure from the victims' families and the press to not put anything non-memorial on the footprints of the old towers. Now I don't agree with that, and quite frankly I don't think the victims have a dog in the fight either. But they don't feel that way, and I can understand if the owner doesn't want that kind of negative publicity. I think both the Jose Baldo plan and the plan in the top post would just about have to violate the old towers footprints, given their large size. Four out of the six actual proposals do not violate the old towers footprints.

Fourth, there has to be some consideration to what companies are demanding in the way of offices. They don't want tall buildings in light of 9/11. So it makes more sense economically to build 5 or 6 shorter buildings than 2 big buildings (or 5 for that matter) in which you will be unable to rent out offices on the upper floors. There will probably even be hesitation toward buildings that have unoccupied tall structures, for fear that anything that makes a building a potential target is undesirable.

Five, I reject the notion that something has to be fancy, or beautiful to be a worthwhile memorial. One of our most famous memorials is nothing but a wall with names on it. Nothing fancy or beautiful about that. Remember, it's about the event, not the structure. The event will never be forgotten, no matter what is built at the site.

Now if I DID own the property myself, and if I didn't have to worry about economics or public pressure, I would have rebuilt the structure exactly as it was, except it would be one floor taller. Only as a big FU to the terrorists, to send a message that you may knock us down, but we will only come back bigger and stronger than ever, and in the end you will have accomplished nothing. But that's not the reality of the situation. So I'm good with whatever the owners ultimately decide.
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Since: 2.1.02
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    Originally posted by ges7184
    First, I would suggest that it is really up to what the owner likes, and the rest of us really don't have a dog in this fight.

    Second, and I'm just guessing, I figure that 'dull', 'vanilla' and 'uninspiring' probably equates to 'cheaper'. You can't ignore cost considerations with this.

    Third, the owner is going to be under tremendous pressure from the victims' families and the press to not put anything non-memorial on the footprints of the old towers. Now I don't agree with that, and quite frankly I don't think the victims have a dog in the fight either. But they don't feel that way, and I can understand if the owner doesn't want that kind of negative publicity. I think both the Jose Baldo plan and the plan in the top post would just about have to violate the old towers footprints, given their large size. Four out of the six actual proposals do not violate the old towers footprints.

    Fourth, there has to be some consideration to what companies are demanding in the way of offices. They don't want tall buildings in light of 9/11. So it makes more sense economically to build 5 or 6 shorter buildings than 2 big buildings (or 5 for that matter) in which you will be unable to rent out offices on the upper floors. There will probably even be hesitation toward buildings that have unoccupied tall structures, for fear that anything that makes a building a potential target is undesirable.

    Five, I reject the notion that something has to be fancy, or beautiful to be a worthwhile memorial. One of our most famous memorials is nothing but a wall with names on it. Nothing fancy or beautiful about that. Remember, it's about the event, not the structure. The event will never be forgotten, no matter what is built at the site.

    Now if I DID own the property myself, and if I didn't have to worry about economics or public pressure, I would have rebuilt the structure exactly as it was, except it would be one floor taller. Only as a big FU to the terrorists, to send a message that you may knock us down, but we will only come back bigger and stronger than ever, and in the end you will have accomplished nothing. But that's not the reality of the situation. So I'm good with whatever the owners ultimately decide.



1) Probably true.

2) Also probably true. But none of those designs has the power or the passion to really build a following behind it, either, which I believe would impact the financing. It's hard to sell bankers on a project nobody wants. Even the Yamasaki followers have *some* support.

3) Unfortunately, Jose Baldo has not rendered an overhead view of his plan. Therefore, it's hard to say exactly *how* his towers would sit on that site.

4) But, how will the market be in a few years, when the buildings are built? Things change.

5) Agreed. A simple design is just as good - and often better - than an elaborate one. (That's why I like the Baldo design - very clean and geometric. The same could be said of the Yamasaki design, so I'm also OK with rebuilding similar towers.)

Steph



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The real estate market is about to implode so any financing is going to be expensive. Especially since he will have very few tenants lined up at the beginning. Most large firms in NY have been building their own buildings to consolidate people among 5 or 6 spaces either in the city or across the river in Jersey City and Newark.

The hardest sell won't be any of the individual plans. It will be getting people willing to finance the project.





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