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#41 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.16
    Originally posted by Corajudo
    This is no different than any other special interest group spending their money and using their influence. I have no problem with this, the same as I have no problem with any other special interest group making their political preferences known. It's not like it's a shock to anyone that the Mormon church opposes same sex marriage. Or, the Catholic church (but they weren't the drivers behind the Prop 8 efforts). It's part of their mission.

    Really, the best response is to make sure your side is heard as well. But, if you're trying to change anyone's mind or convince someone of the rationality of your position, then you may want to be less shrill, less judging and less condescending. But, YMMV.

Only problem is those other special interest groups are not tax-exempt. Churches are given that status based on the idea that they are not going to be involved in the political process in anything more than a general way. This sort of very specific work to me violates the spirit of that tax exemption. To me if you want to get involved in the electoral process, pay taxes like everyone else.



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#42 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.92
    Originally posted by DrDirt
    Hetero couples are the ones cheapening and destroying marriage in our society with the way that we treat the institution.


There are members of the LGBT community who feel that this fight is really not worth fighting - that fighting for gay marriage is fighting for the right to participate in a broken and outdated institution. Granted, that view seems to belong to a very quiet minority.

I tend to take a slightly different stance (paraphrasing Peter Griffin) that homosexuals have the right to be just as miserable as everyone else. :)




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#43 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.73
    Originally posted by spf
    Only problem is those other special interest groups are not tax-exempt. Churches are given that status based on the idea that they are not going to be involved in the political process in anything more than a general way. This sort of very specific work to me violates the spirit of that tax exemption. To me if you want to get involved in the electoral process, pay taxes like everyone else.

I get what you're saying, but that's a dangerous path to follow. Because then you'd have to also be sure that other tax exempt organizations (such as universities, charities, etc.) aren't involved in the political process as well. Plus, it'd be necessary to define what it means to get involved in the electoral process. Personally, I'd rather err on the side of free speech. And, if the members of the religion don't agree with their politics, then they need to vote with their wallets. Ultimately, it's up to the people to vote their conscience.
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#44 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.16
    Originally posted by Corajudo
      Originally posted by spf
      Only problem is those other special interest groups are not tax-exempt. Churches are given that status based on the idea that they are not going to be involved in the political process in anything more than a general way. This sort of very specific work to me violates the spirit of that tax exemption. To me if you want to get involved in the electoral process, pay taxes like everyone else.

    I get what you're saying, but that's a dangerous path to follow. Because then you'd have to also be sure that other tax exempt organizations (such as universities, charities, etc.) aren't involved in the political process as well. Plus, it'd be necessary to define what it means to get involved in the electoral process. Personally, I'd rather err on the side of free speech. And, if the members of the religion don't agree with their politics, then they need to vote with their wallets. Ultimately, it's up to the people to vote their conscience.


To me if you are officially working against something specific on a ballot, you should be taxed accordingly. There are plenty of groups and people that will advocate for the things you care about. But when you lend your organizational support to get involved in ballot initiatives, to me you're saying you want to be part of the process. And that's fine. You can be. But get cracking on that 1040.

No one is saying they should not be allowed free speech. But they are given certain benefits due to their special, assumed to be apolitical nature. When you move as far past that as many churches do, I think it is time to reassess the matter of tax exemption.



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