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Since: 2.11.02
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#1 Posted on
Well theres a distinct lack of Chiefs love on this little board and my Iggles aint really got a contender for MVP since Mcnabb got hurt so hows about young Priest for MVP this year.

The usual suspects of Faulk and Warner have sucked or been injured. Plenty of other guys have had very good years like Gannon/Manning/Vick but there aint that many that are clear outstanding MVP candidates.

As far as I can see its probably down to Favre, Williams, and Priest, and given that Holmes is only 2 TD's away from setting a seasons record I say the MVP should go to Kansas



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If Gannon sets the record, give it to him.

If Gannon doesn't, and the Cheifs make the playoofs somehow, give it to Holmes.

Someone who I think honestly deserves some consideration-thoguh right now I wouldn't say he should win it-is Brad Johnson. The Bucs o-line sucks, they have the second worst runnning game in the league, and their receivers need a sundial to time their sprints. But Johnson has led the still-improving Bucs offense to a 10-3 record. If the Bucs win out and Johnson keeps his current hot streak going (15 TDs and 1 int last 5 games), I think you have to consider him.

As of rightn ow, I don't think he should win. But if that 5 game streak becomes an 8 game streak, I think he has a chance.
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#3 Posted on
While I see you're point I cant imagine they'll give it to Brad Johnson. They tend to go for a high profile guy with great numbers. It would be nice to think they would give recognition to a guy that basically carried the Bucs O along with Keyshawn and Alstott (I love that big guy) but I doubt they'll bother.

I'm still holding out for a late A.J Feeley run.:)



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If we're talking about a guy who is truly the Most Valuable Player, then clearly it is Michael Vick.

If we're talking about a player having one hell of a year, it's either Holmes or Gannon, probably with the nod to Holmes for the crap he's had to put up with in KC.



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It really is a tough call. Cases can be made for Gannon, Vick, Holmes, and Brad Johnson. But my vote goes to Priest Holmes, without him the Chiefs are 3-11 at best. He has done the most with the least talent around him.



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I'd say either Vick or Holmes, since really they are the only weapons either team truly has this year, with the nod to Holmes since Dunn is a better companion than Trent Green is for Priest.



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If Ricky Williams goes over 2000 yds he almost has to get the award. He's carried the team while Fiedler has been hurt and he's had two 200yd games in a row. Just put it this way. If he goes over 2000 and Gannon and Holmes don't break records, Ricky is your mvp.
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It's hard to see Holmes or williams getting the yards they need to break 2000 yards given the run-ins the two teams have got (Chiefs in particular).

Out of interest theres still a chance neither guy'll make the play-offs. When was the last time an MVP wasnt in the post season?



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#9 Posted on
Priest is the offensive MVP for sure. As for league MVP I would say it is Ricky Williams, Michael Vick or Steve McNair. Without them, those three teams would be in really bad shape.



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    Originally posted by mskj
    Priest is the offensive MVP for sure. As for league MVP I would say it is Ricky Williams, Michael Vick or Steve McNair. Without them, those three teams would be in really bad shape.


Don't forget to include your fantasy team in there.

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From the infamous Wrestleline SS interview:

DTD: If you were to make changes in WCW, if you were in charge and not Ric Flair, what would they be?

SS: I'd get rid of all the old guys, and push the talent that has waited to get the push. The things they are doing, it's back in the 1980s. It's just bad, man. Flair doesn't even deserve to be on the show. You've got to get rid of all the old guys. Like what Vince did, they started pushing guys. Nobody knew who The Rock was 2 years ago. He made The Rock. Now The Rock just did Saturday Night Live. You've got to start with the young talent, talent people can relate to. Who are we trying to relate to if we've got a 50 year old man out there? Are we trying to relate, so a 50 year people and above will go out and buy a f*cking little toy? That ain't gonna happen. It's a f*cking joke.

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#11 Posted on
Someone mentioned the other day that the one thing that hurts Vick is that the Falcons won without him. Same is true for McNabb.

In my mind it comes down to 3 players.

Williams
Gannon
Holmes

When I look at these teams and what the players mean to them, I still think it is a toss-up.

The Dolphins would rely on R. Edwards and T. Minor
The Chiefs would go with M. Cloud
The Raiders would have Tuiasosopo or Mirer at QB.

That's what sells me. Imagine the Raiders with one of those
two guys running the show.

Gannon gets my vote right now. It's a definite if he breaks the record.




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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.54
Did everybody forget about Brett Favre?



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    Originally posted by Big Bad
    Did everybody forget about Brett Favre?


Brett is having a great season but guys like Holmes, Gannon, and Williams are getting the nod becuase they don't have the career that Farve has. In other words, nobody expected them to produce like they have.




From the infamous Wrestleline SS interview:

DTD: If you were to make changes in WCW, if you were in charge and not Ric Flair, what would they be?

SS: I'd get rid of all the old guys, and push the talent that has waited to get the push. The things they are doing, it's back in the 1980s. It's just bad, man. Flair doesn't even deserve to be on the show. You've got to get rid of all the old guys. Like what Vince did, they started pushing guys. Nobody knew who The Rock was 2 years ago. He made The Rock. Now The Rock just did Saturday Night Live. You've got to start with the young talent, talent people can relate to. Who are we trying to relate to if we've got a 50 year old man out there? Are we trying to relate, so a 50 year people and above will go out and buy a f*cking little toy? That ain't gonna happen. It's a f*cking joke.

Does it remind you of any show in particular?
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#14 Posted on
Jay Fiedler for MVP.

--with Jay, Dolphins 6-1
--without Jay, Dolphins 2-4

That Ricky guy helped a little bit, but my vote goes to Jay. Had Fiedler not gotten hurt, the Dolphins would likely have 10 wins.



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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.42
Rams with Bulger: 5-0
Rams without Bulger: 0-8

So Spiff, what's your point?
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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.54
I'm starting to think that Marvin Harrison should be in here. I mean, he's going to DESTROY the receptions record, probably by 15-20 catches. Given the injury troubles of the Indy running game, and the average performance of their other WRs, where would the Colts be without Peyton having Marvelous Marv to throw it to?



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#17 Posted on
The lack of attention for Marvin Harrison is amazing. This guy plays on a team that virtually has no running game, and really doesn't have much of a second receiver, and yet he still manages to get open and already has over 120 catches and over 1500 yards! Yet he gets no attention from the media. In fact, on PTI, someone sent a e-mail about this very fact, and the PTI guys proceeded to talk about anyone and everyone BUT Marvin Harrison. They also muttered something about WR being a dependent position. What? So QB's aren't dependent on receivers, but receivers are dependent on QB's? Give me a break. The media always give QB's too much credit (in fairness, they give them too much blame too). I don't know how many times after a play I hear an announcer go on and on about how great a pass it was when I'm sitting there thinking 'No it wasn't, it was a great catch that bailed the QB out! The pass sucked!'.

I also think this proves that the media prefers flash over substance. Maybe if Marvin would grab some pom-poms after a touchdown, or get arrested for running over a traffic cop, he could get more attention.
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#18 Posted on
A lot of the talk has been about records...

If Gannon breaks Marinos...

If Holmes breaks Faulks...

What about Marv. He has absolutely destroyed the record for receptions. 9 catches a game!!!! He is constantly getting open, despite the double coverage.

He deserves as much attention as all the others. Let's start a groundswell of support. MarVP!!!!



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Since: 18.3.02
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#19 Posted on

    Originally posted by evilwaldo

      Originally posted by Big Bad
      Did everybody forget about Brett Favre?


    Brett is having a great season but guys like Holmes, Gannon, and Williams are getting the nod becuase they don't have the career that Farve has. In other words, nobody expected them to produce like they have.



So because people had low expectations for them it makes their accomplishments worth more? I'd have graduated Magna Cum Laude if everything worked that way.

Without Favre...the Pack has a sub .500 season at the very least. It's Most VALUABLE Player...not least expected to perform...no offense intended.

And as with any of my posts...the opinions of cranlsn are his and his alone. They do not necessarily represent the opinions of Wienerville or any individual Wieners.



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#20 Posted on
The problem with toutin' Marvin Harrison and his shattering of the reception record is the fact that reception records are destined to fall. As the NFL has changed through time, passing numbers have been inflated over the past. This is neither a good nor bad thing, just a statement. Before 1990, how many 100 reception seasons were there (1?)? Now, it is common place. Breaking THIS record is nice, but not an indicator that the player is the MVP.

Vick? I don't think so. He's certainly fun to watch, but his numbers aren't all that great.

I'll support Holmes and Williams. Won't comment on Favre, for fear of "homerism".

EDIT: I liked the case made for Brad Johnson. Truly deserving and under publicized. Put him at the top of the list because of how well the Bucs are doing this year.

(edited by Sec19Row53 on 17.12.02 1008)


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