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The tally, so far:

Announced Wednesday, November 12: Managers of the year.

AL: Joe Madden, Tampa Bay Rays
NL: Lou Pinella, Chicago Cubs

Madden led the Rays to their first post season and then World Series in franchise history. The Rays went worst-to-first and won 97 games. Ron Gardenhire of the Twins was the only other manager to receive a first-place vote.

Pinella received 15 first place votes. Eight went to the Phillies' Charlie Manuel and five to the Marlins' Fredi Gonzalez. Pinella led the Cubs their first back-to-back division titles since 1908 and also became the fourth manager to win the award in both leagues.

Announced Tuesday, November 11: NL Cy Young Award

Tim Lincecum, SF Giants

Lincecum becomes just the second SF Giant to win the award (Mike McCormick, 1967). He beat Brandon Webb of Arizona and Johan Santana of the Mets. He was 18-5 with a 2.62 ERA and the led the NL with 265 strikeouts. CC Sabathia finished fifth in the voting.

Announced Monday, November 10: Rookies of the Year

AL: Evan Longoria, Tampa Bay Rays
NL: Geovani Soto, Chicago Cubs

Longoria hit .272 with 27 HR and 85 RBI. He spend five weeks on the DL in August and September. Alexei Ramirez of the White Sox and Jacoby Ellsbury of the Red Sox finished second and third, respectively.

Soto hit .285 with 23 HR and 86 RBI and was the first catcher to win the award since Mike Piazza in 1993. He was also the first rookie catcher in the NL to start the All-Star game.

Announced Thursday, November 6: Gold Glove Awards:

AL:

P Mike Mussina, Yankees
C Joe Mauer, Twins
1B Carlos Pena, Rays
2B Dustin Pedroia, Red Sox
3B Adrian Beltre, Mariners
SS Michael Young, Rangers
OF Torii Hunter, Angels; Grady Sizemore, Indians; Ichiro Suzuki, Mariners

Texas Rangers shortstop Michael Young became the first infielder to win a Gold Glove from a team with the worst fielding percentage in the majors.

NL:

P Greg Maddux, Dodgers
C Yadier Molina, Cardinals
1B Adrian Gonzalez, Padres
2B Brandon Phillips, Reds
3B David Wright, Mets
SS Jimmy Rollins, Phillies
OF Nate McLouth, Pirates;
Carlos Beltran, Mets;
Shane Victorino, Phillies

This was Maddux's 18th such award. Yes, 18th. I'll have to check, but that *might* be a record.


Thursday, Nov. 13: AL Cy Young Award

Monday, Nov. 17: NL Most Valuable Player

Tuesday, Nov. 18: AL Most Valuable Player

(edited by djp on 13.11.08 0831)
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What's up with the managers awards coming in between the Cy Youngs? Is that usual?

From my understanding there's not even any doubt for the AL (Cliff Lee), while the NL had a bunch of strong candidates.



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I believe you're right about Maddux having the record. Jim Kaat had the record for many years, but he only had 16.

Heckuva trivia question that McCormick was the only giant to win a Cy Young until now. Hard to believe Juan Marichal never took one. Of course, the award wasn't around when Christy Mathewson was pitching, but I'm sure there were seasons when he was a Giant and clearly the best pitcher in the NL, if not all of baseball.
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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.23
    Originally posted by Peter The Hegemon
    I believe you're right about Maddux having the record. Jim Kaat had the record for many years, but he only had 16.

    Heckuva trivia question that McCormick was the only giant to win a Cy Young until now. Hard to believe Juan Marichal never took one. Of course, the award wasn't around when Christy Mathewson was pitching, but I'm sure there were seasons when he was a Giant and clearly the best pitcher in the NL, if not all of baseball.


Marichal had to deal with the sportwriter biases toward Koufax and the other Dodgers.



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Cliff Lee, Cleveland Indians, wins the AL Cy Young.

Lee was 22-3 with a 2.54 E.R.A., becoming just the third pitcher since 1990 to have that many wins with an earned run average that low (Randy Johnson, Pedro Martinez).

Hard to believe he didn't get all of the first-place votes. Roy Halliday received four. Maybe because the Indians were out of contention earlier than Toronto?
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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.92
    Originally posted by djp
    Hard to believe he didn't get all of the first-place votes. Roy Halliday received four. Maybe because the Indians were out of contention earlier than Toronto?


Probably because Halladay had the better season. Tougher opponents, less run support...if Halladay pitched in the AL Central he would've won over 25 games, guaranteed. Lee had a great year but face it, if you had one big game and needed a starter, you'd go with the Doc over Lee.

I'm more pissed off about the fact that three idiot writers didn't even have Halladay in their top three. I can live with someone voting Lee at #1, but seriously?! A so-called professional baseball writer through there were three AL pitchers better than Halladay this season?! Shenanigans.
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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.85
    Originally posted by Big Bad
      Originally posted by djp
      Hard to believe he didn't get all of the first-place votes. Roy Halliday received four. Maybe because the Indians were out of contention earlier than Toronto?


    Probably because Halladay had the better season. Tougher opponents, less run support...if Halladay pitched in the AL Central he would've won over 25 games, guaranteed. Lee had a great year but face it, if you had one big game and needed a starter, you'd go with the Doc over Lee.

    I'm more pissed off about the fact that three idiot writers didn't even have Halladay in their top three. I can live with someone voting Lee at #1, but seriously?! A so-called professional baseball writer through there were three AL pitchers better than Halladay this season?! Shenanigans.




I like Halladay, but he hasn't won a big game in his career, and the closest he came to pitching in a big game against Boston when Toronto was making a last desperate attempt to get back in the race, he lost.
Weird to see 2 pitchers win the Cy Young that were on teams that were essentially eliminated before the All Star Break.

(edited by redsoxnation on 13.11.08 2355)
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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.00
    Originally posted by djp
    The tally, so far:

    Announced Wednesday, November 12: Managers of the year.

    AL: Joe Madden, Tampa Bay Rays
    Ron Gardenhire of the Twins was the only other manager to receive a first-place vote.


I had a double take when they said this on Sportscentre.
Why would anyone vote for someone other than Madden in this case?
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Baseball writers like to be contrarian. Witness the fact that no player has received 100% of the votes for entry into the hall of fame. Therefore, there are always some who vote against a player just to keep him below 100%.

Now some would say, "Hey, Babe Ruth didn't get 100%, so why should Cal Ripken Jr?" And I would then say that just because there were 11 stupid writers in 1936 doesn't mean we also need to have 8 stupid writers in 2007.
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Minnesota was picked to finish around 20 games under .500 after losing Hunter and Santana and instead were knocked out in game 163, so Gardenhire was worthy of consideration.
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I have no problem yet with any of the winners. I will, however, be displeased if one Albert Pujols does not win the MVP.
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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.02
    Originally posted by MUTigermask
    I have no problem yet with any of the winners. I will, however, be displeased if one Albert Pujols does not win the MVP.


One Albert Pujols has indeed won.

Interestingly, two years ago Albert said "I see it this way: Someone who doesn't take his team to the playoffs doesn't deserve to win the MVP." That said, my feeling is that priority should only go to a guy on a playoff team if you think that that player was responsible for getting his team into the playoffs, and the only guy in the NL you might be able to say that about is Manny, and it's hard to give the MVP to a guy who spent half the year in the other league. Pujols was the best overall player through the year, so I think they made the right call. Manny finished fourth, which seems about right.
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    Originally posted by Peter The Hegemon
    Interestingly, two years ago Albert said "I see it this way: Someone who doesn't take his team to the playoffs doesn't deserve to win the MVP." That said, my feeling is that priority should only go to a guy on a playoff team if you think that that player was responsible for getting his team into the playoffs, and the only guy in the NL you might be able to say that about is Manny, and it's hard to give the MVP to a guy who spent half the year in the other league. Pujols was the best overall player through the year, so I think they made the right call. Manny finished fourth, which seems about right.


I think a case could have definitely been made for Ryan Howard, who went on a tear in those last few months and nearly carried the Phils to the playoffs single-handedly. I would have actually rather seen him get it and am a little disappointed that he was probably taken out of the running by an atrocious batting average.




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    Originally posted by It's False
    I think a case could have definitely been made for Ryan Howard, who went on a tear in those last few months and nearly carried the Phils to the playoffs single-handedly. I would have actually rather seen him get it and am a little disappointed that he was probably taken out of the running by an atrocious batting average.

The first few months of the season count in the standings too, ya know. One could also argue that Howard played like ass for three months and nearly cost the Phillies a playoff spot. I'm thinking that might be why some of those guys decided to give it to Pujols, who OPS'd 1.100 all year.

And I don't think you can say Howard does anything single-handedly so long as he shares the field with Chase Utley, who was a much better candidate from the Phils.

ETA: WTF, Utley got 15th?!?!

(edited by Joseph Ryder on 17.11.08 1249)


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I would've given it to Brad Lidge before Howard or Utley. He finished 8th in the voting, but got 2 first place votes. Having a PERFECT closer was HUGE for this team and gave them the confidence that helped get them where they were.

Full voting here: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/baseball/mlb/11/17/nl.mvp.ap/index.html



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Thank goodness that enough people voted for Albert because after that the other voters were morons.

It's not just that Howard had an atrocious batting average, ALL of his numbers were pedestrian outside of homeruns and RBI. I'll admit I'm a Mets fan so I obviously am a fan of him, but how does Ryan Howard even rank ahead of David Wright? Howard has more homeruns and RBI but Wright is better in every other category, plays better defense at a more important position. Also Wright is clearly the best player on the Mets, I don't think you can say that about Howard. I'm not even saying Wright is a MVP candidate (although 7th for the first Met is pretty low, I know they missed the playoffs but they were better than the Cards or Dodgers), just that Howard isn't either.

No way should a closer get MVP consideration. Saves mean nothing. Before there were closers the amount of 9th inning games that were blown was only slightly higher than now. The Phillies also had the second best reliever ERA in the Majors, they would've figured it out without Lidge.

Manny? Didn't play for the Dodgers long enough, sorry. Same with Sabathia.

In my opinion there were two candidates. Albert Pujols and Lance Berkman. Pujols has the better numbers, but Berkman has great all around numbers and does more with less help than anybody. Fat Elvis even stole 18 bases this season.






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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.93
    Originally posted by Quezzy
    No way should a closer get MVP consideration. Saves mean nothing. Before there were closers the amount of 9th inning games that were blown was only slightly higher than now. The Phillies also had the second best reliever ERA in the Majors, they would've figured it out without Lidge.



While I mostly agree that closers shouldn't get much MVP consideration, I wouldn't say saves mean nothing. Just ask Albert Pujols, whose team would have made the playoffs if they had a closer. I think they set a record for blown saves this year, or close to it. I'd say if Lidge was a Cardinal they'd have made the playoffs.
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So, there aren't a lot of Red Sox fans here? I'm not a big fan of the Pedroia MVP pick, but there really was no run away choice this year. He had a nice year, but I don't see how he wins this if he had the same kind of year on a team in a smaller market whether they made the playoffs or not.
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