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Joe Torre's departure isn't enough to take Posada out of pinstripes.

ESPN - Reports: Posada, Yanks agree to four-year deal


    NEW YORK -- The New York Yankees and Jorge Posada agreed Monday night to a $52.4 million, four-year contract that keeps the catcher off the free-agent market.


This article is also notable for mentioning that the Yanks are trying to re-sign Mariano Rivera, noting that if Rivera doesn't sign, he'll likely follow Torre to the Dodgers.




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I know it's Rivera, but does LA really need him? Saito put up better numbers last year and is cheaper. Broxton is already the closer of the future. The Dodgers could put their money to a lot better use in getting a couple of bats rather than getting Mariano Rivera.
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    Originally posted by It's False
    Joe Torre's departure isn't enough to take Posada out of pinstripes.

    ESPN - Reports: Posada, Yanks agree to four-year deal


      NEW YORK -- The New York Yankees and Jorge Posada agreed Monday night to a $52.4 million, four-year contract that keeps the catcher off the free-agent market.


    This article is also notable for mentioning that the Yanks are trying to re-sign Mariano Rivera, noting that if Rivera doesn't sign, he'll likely follow Torre to the Dodgers.


Who in the HELL gives a 36-year old catcher a four-year guaranteed contract for over $50 million? I don't care if the guy OPSed a billion last year, that is insanity, even for the Yankees.



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    Originally posted by JayJayDean
      Originally posted by It's False
      Joe Torre's departure isn't enough to take Posada out of pinstripes.

      ESPN - Reports: Posada, Yanks agree to four-year deal


        NEW YORK -- The New York Yankees and Jorge Posada agreed Monday night to a $52.4 million, four-year contract that keeps the catcher off the free-agent market.


      This article is also notable for mentioning that the Yanks are trying to re-sign Mariano Rivera, noting that if Rivera doesn't sign, he'll likely follow Torre to the Dodgers.


    Who in the HELL gives a 36-year old catcher a four-year guaranteed contract for over $50 million? I don't care if the guy OPSed a billion last year, that is insanity, even for the Yankees.




Because they can start moving him to 1st or DH in years 3 and 4. If they had lost Posada, with no viable alternative at the position, as well as A-Rod's bat this off-season, that line-up would have been much weaker, and the 'great' young pitchers would have to learn that having an ERA around 4.50 might be able to get wins with a dynamic line-up, but would probably lead to 9-13 with a weaker line-up.

(edited by redsoxnation on 13.11.07 1028)
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    Originally posted by redsoxnation
    Because they can start moving him to 1st or DH in years 3 and 4. If they had lost Posada, with no viable alternative at the position, as well as A-Rod's bat this off-season, that line-up would have been much weaker, and the 'great' young pitchers would have to learn that having an ERA around 4.50 might be able to get wins with a dynamic line-up, but would probably lead to 9-13 with a weaker line-up.


That still doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. Jorge Posada has been basically the same player for four years, with extremely consistent HR and strikeout totals, but his OPS+ shot up in 2007 to 154 at age 35, almost entirely because his BABIP was an incredible .389. If his OPS+ was closer to 120 or 130 (his career average) AND he was a 1B/DH would he be worth $13 mil per at his age?

I'm not saying it's impossible but it's like they didn't learn ANYTHING from Bernie Williams, who went from an OPS+ consistently around 140 until age 33, then dropped to 108 and 107, THEN 85 at age 36 for the bargain price of $12.3 million.



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There is FAR more to being a catcher in the Majors than what you do at bat. He's probably one of the top three catchers in all of baseball as far as calling a game and handling pitchers. With the youth movement afoot in New York, this makes perfect sense.
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I'm with JJD.
Overpay him for 2 years, 3 tops.
Catchers go downhill faster than just about anybody.
By year 4 he might be DH for Oakland though........
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When you have a $200 million payroll, and are about to gain even more money with the new stadium, you can make a deal like this one, knowing it likely will not be justified through production in year 4. If anything they should have front-loaded it some to make it easier to trade/eat the salary in year 4. But really, who cares? They play by different rules than the rest of the world.
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    Originally posted by spf
    They play by different rules than the rest of the world.


I don't dispute that, and of course Stagger as a somewhat salient point (though the effects of "calling a good game" are offset when the guy hits .210), but why give him four years? Would someone else have given him four years? I can't imagine anyone would have. Just because you don't have to worry about your ultimate payroll number doesn't mean you should bid against yourself.

I don't know what Victor Martinez' contract is, but he's one year away from being eligible for free agency. Why lock up Posada for four years when you could surely outbid the Indians for him if he was interested?

(edited by JayJayDean on 14.11.07 1032)


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    Originally posted by JayJayDean
    I don't know what Victor Martinez' contract is, but he's one year away from being eligible for free agency. Why lock up Posada for four years when you could surely outbid the Indians for him if he was interested?
Ok, so if VM is a free agent next year, who'd catch for the Yanks in 2008? Paul LoDuca? Jose Molina? Yorvit Torrealba? Joe Girardi? I wouldn't have been shocked to see the Mets throw a huge 3 year deal at Jorge even without the cushion of a DH spot, so the Yanks apparently had to go 4 years. The guy had arguably a career year in 2007, so he gets rewarded. Sure, there's a very distinct possibility that this deal will look like a real turd in 2010/2011, but that's what it took, just like it will take 3/45+ to bring back Mariano. At least by 2009, Giambi, Pavano, Farnsworthless, and Mussina come off the books ($50-55 mil).
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I think there's also a certain element of "gold watch" in the contracts for Posada and Rivera. Recognizing that, along with Jeter, they're the last of the great Yankee dynasty, and they want to make sure they end their careers with the Yanks. At least I think that's part of it.
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    Originally posted by JayJayDean
      Originally posted by spf
      They play by different rules than the rest of the world.


    I don't dispute that, and of course Stagger as a somewhat salient point (though the effects of "calling a good game" are offset when the guy hits .210), but why give him four years? Would someone else have given him four years? I can't imagine anyone would have. Just because you don't have to worry about your ultimate payroll number doesn't mean you should bid against yourself.

    I don't know what Victor Martinez' contract is, but he's one year away from being eligible for free agency. Why lock up Posada for four years when you could surely outbid the Indians for him if he was interested?

    (edited by JayJayDean on 14.11.07 1032)





Rumor was the Mets were going to go at least 4 and possibly 5 to steal Posada. Posada having lunch with Omar Minaya the day before numbers could be exchanged might have caused the Yankees to add the extra year.
SPF, a trade proposal to you: Coco Crisp and Craig Hansen for Joe Crede and his bad back. Any interest?
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I make that trade every day and twice on Sundays. I think Josh Fields is going to be better than Crede, even though he won't be as good with the glove, he'll hit 35-40 HR a year before he's done
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..and it looks like the Yanks have one more signing (yankees.lhblogs.com) before Mariano.

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And he's back...


    As Alex Rodriguez and the team nears a new deal, Mariano Rivera told the Yankees on Monday that he will accept their three-year, $45 million contract offer.


Eh, I couldn't have pictured him in Dodger Blue anyway.




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