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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.81

steve traschel returns.

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Good lord. Why did they do that.



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On the bright side, the Cardinals are about get Mark Mulder back next week. And considering the way he's pitched in the last few years, this should effectively spell the end for the Cards.




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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.08
    Originally posted by It's False
    On the bright side, the Cardinals are about get Mark Mulder back next week. And considering the way he's pitched in the last few years, this should effectively spell the end for the Cards.


Well let's be honest, losing Carpenter early in the year should have spelled the end for the Cards. Lucky for them they play in the Central with such generous teams as the Cubs, so it's almost impossible to ever really say it's over.
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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.57
    Originally posted by Eddie Famous
    Good lord. Why did they do that.






Increase beer sales during the 'extremely brief time' he takes between pitches.
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On XM, they had an interview with somebody from the Cubs organization who was talking about how they had scouted him and he said "He had a really good outing against Tampa, who are a really great team".


Is it any wonder the cubs are in such bad shape?
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Since: 10.12.01
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I seriously have no problem with this deal.

The Cubs gave up two players in this deal

- 1B/3B Scott Moore, who may have some power potential but has no chance at Major League starting time unless Lee or Ramirez suffer long injuries (in which case, the Cubs are already screwed; short term is filled by guys on the roster already.) Moore had done just about all he could do in AAA, and it was no secret that the Cubs were going to move him sometime before the '08 season.

If the O's don't keep Millar, Moore could start at first for them next year, but he was just going to grow old Des Moines with the Cubs.

- RP Rocky Cherry is an okay reliver, and surely someone who's going to help the O's bullpen, but he's 28 and not really a prospect - just someone who can fill out a bullpen. He didn't really impress in his time in the majors, he's behind younger and more promising guys on the depth chart, and if you don't have it by 28, you're probably easily replacable.

(That paragraph was rather depressing once I remembered I was three months older than him. Baseball is not real life!)

In exchange for a guy they can't use and a guy they don't have much use for, the Cubs got a guy they have a very definite use for. One of the strengths of the Cubs, maybe the key strength, is their solid starting rotation. Their 1 thru 5 has taken almost all the starts, and done well enough to keep taking those starts. Which is great for them, but better for their team - the Cubs didn't really have another option if their current starting pitchers falter (or get hurt.)

other Cubs starters
- Mark Prior, who's out for the season
- Angel Guzman, who's been injured for more of the summer and is just starting to cram in rehab before the minor league seasons end (thus killing my hometown Cougars, but that's another post)
- Wade Miller, who sucked and went out perpetual rehab assignments till he was turfed
- Carlos Marmol, who's already been converted into a relief ace and is never starting again
- Neil Cotts, who was so bad of a starter in Iowa, they pushed him back into relief

By default, the 6th starter would've been Sean Gallagher, and he's a guy who's both spent most of his season in AA and looked overwhelmed when in the majors. Or it's someone who's not even on the 40 man roster.

This was not a What If/depth issue - the Cubs play a double header against the Cardinals on the 15th. With no off days before or after, they were going to have figure out someone to take that start. Given how close the race is at the moment, trying to get a slightly better starter seems worthwhile.

So another starter was definitely worth getting. Was Trachsel? I don't know who else was available, and I'm sure some of this happening was due to the former president of the Cubs being the current guy in charge of the O's, but... let's look at his last six starts


Date IP R
08/01 @BOS 6.0 1
08/07 vSEA 5.2 2
08/12 vBOS 6.1 3
08/18 @TOR 6.2 3
08/23 vMIN 7.1 2
08/29 vTBD 6.0 1


I'm not electing Trachsel pitcher of the month, but those are fairly decent numbers over a nice stretch. If the clock strikes midnight on him, the Cubs owe him $0.00 next season.

It's a short term deal for a marginal increase. Those kind of deals can hurt you if you do them too often, but at this point in the season and with the players involved, I'm all for it. At some point, you've got to shift from saving for the future to trying to better your chance at a championship right now. Particularly with what else is going on in this franchise - who knows what the new owner will do right or wrong, or what restrictions might be placed on the team while it's transfered. It's not a time to wait till next year.

I can't believe I wrote all that when I'm going to have to write it again for my blog later. How dumb!



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Trachsel will serve a useful role as a long man would be my guess. Outside of Hill, they've had trouble getting more than 6 innings out of their starters the last month or two. That pen is holding up well but they've got to be getting toasty from all the work. Having someone out there who can eat some innings up for them can only help.
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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.37

    Originally posted by spf
    Trachsel will serve a useful role as a long man would be my guess. Outside of Hill, they've had trouble getting more than 6 innings out of their starters the last month or two. That pen is holding up well but they've got to be getting toasty from all the work. Having someone out there who can eat some innings up for them can only help.


My jaded guess: Marshall goes to the 'Pen and Trachsel takes his spot.



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    Originally posted by StaggerLee
    On XM, they had an interview with somebody from the Cubs organization who was talking about how they had scouted him and he said "He had a really good outing against Tampa, who are a really great team".


    Is it any wonder the cubs are in such bad shape?


"Really great" is an exaggeration, yes, but the Devil Rays are 8th in the AL in Runs Scored with 633, a total which would put them 7th in the NL. Offensively, the Devil Rays are an average team, and most of their roster is only getting better. If they ever develop pitchers to complement Kazmir, watch out.





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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.15
    Originally posted by thecubsfan
    The Cubs gave up two players in this deal

    - 1B/3B Scott Moore, who may have some power potential but has no chance at Major League starting time unless Lee or Ramirez suffer long injuries (in which case, the Cubs are already screwed; short term is filled by guys on the roster already.) Moore had done just about all he could do in AAA, and it was no secret that the Cubs were going to move him sometime before the '08 season.

Agreed that there was no spot for him in Wrigley; but I think the Cubs will eventually regret not getting more for Moore (sorry; couldn't resist). A potential big pickup for the Birds.
    Originally posted by thecubsfan
    I can't believe I wrote all that when I'm going to have to write it again for my blog later. How dumb!
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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.37

    Originally posted by Eddie Famous
      Originally posted by spf
      Trachsel will serve a useful role as a long man would be my guess. Outside of Hill, they've had trouble getting more than 6 innings out of their starters the last month or two. That pen is holding up well but they've got to be getting toasty from all the work. Having someone out there who can eat some innings up for them can only help.


    My jaded guess: Marshall goes to the 'Pen and Trachsel takes his spot.


And, as per the Cubs official site, Marshall goes to the 'Pen and Trachsel takes his spot.

Is Frank Castillo still pitching?



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I think Chicago's bigger concern right now is Carlos Zambrano. Does every pitcher celebrate a $91.5M contract extension by going 0-3 with a 9.56 (!) ERA?




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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.84
    Originally posted by It's False
    I think Chicago's bigger concern right now is Carlos Zambrano. Does every pitcher celebrate a $91.5M contract extension by going 0-3 with a 9.56 (!) ERA?


with a streak like that, he should be with the Orioles. they gave their manager an extension and then lose 30-3 and then get no-hit a few weeks later.



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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.16
    Originally posted by It's False
    I think Chicago's bigger concern right now is Carlos Zambrano. Does every pitcher celebrate a $91.5M contract extension by going 0-3 with a 9.56 (!) ERA?

Don't forget getting into a pissing match with the fans at Wrigley.

Between Rex Grossman and Carlos Zambrano I'm starting to think bipolar disorder is contagious in Chicago sports.
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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 10.00
He's sorry and such now! It's all good (except the sports talk will recycle it till they get into Bears/Chargers coverage on Friday.)

TRACHSEL QUALITY STARTS: ONE FOR ONE.



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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.37

    Originally posted by thecubsfan
    He's sorry and such now! It's all good (except the sports talk will recycle it till they get into Bears/Chargers coverage on Friday.)

    TRACHSEL QUALITY STARTS: ONE FOR ONE.


Giving up a two-out double to the pitcher to begin a multi-run inning should automatically DQ one from a quality start.

Update: and now Trachsel singlehandedly knocks the Cubs out of first place. YEE-HAW!

(edited by Eddie Famous on 9.9.07 1746)


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