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#101 Posted on

    Originally posted by spf2119
    Ok, I know as wrestling fans we're always looking out for the con in action, and trying to find someway to pick out the work in everything. But exactly what do we want before we can take something as a likely fact?


I'm not looking for the work, I just don't beleive in getting out the torches and Frankenstein rakes until we're sure of this. Bitching about someone being a "locker room cancer" is one thing. . .

. . .But throwing the "wife beater" tag on a man who hasn't been charged with the crime as yet is something else. That's a pejorative you should be VERY careful about tossing about, because whether it's true or not, it'll stick and can ruin someone's life.

If he did it, he deserves to have his life ruined, and I'll be the first to say so.
But "Innocent until proven guilty" means a lot more to me than Occam's Razor, the solitary word of a local Texas news station, or even the RSPW FAQ.

MY big deal is not the truth of the story, just that ONE TV station is reporting this, when this is the kind of story TV news loves to run (Think about it. How many "Danger on the internet," "Violent video games," "Dangerous rap music" stories have you seen recently)

SURELY a major news organistion would take this and run with it by now. The opportunity to give pro wrestling and the WWE a black eye is too great to pass up, wrestling downturn or now.

I'm still gonna wait until I have confirmation and the smoke has cleared a bit before I make up my mind. Right now, the timing of this (and all the attendant bullshit) has such a weird vibe that rash statements like "Oh he's pulling a Pillman/OJ/Renegade/whatever" seem a bit irrespionsible and irrational.

Wait until we know he did it guys. THEN sharpen the knives.



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Since: 29.3.02
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#102 Posted on
The story on the San Antonio TV station raises some serious questions. I'm a daily newspaper reporter, so I have a little credibility on these matters, though please know I'm not trying to put myself over.

Aside from some serious grammatical issues in that brief bit on the Web site, I just don't believe that JR and Vince gave them those statements. There is no way they would repeat, verbatim, what they said on Confidential -- Vince wasn't talking about the supposed wife-hitting when he said it wasn't a publicity stunt; as we know, he was talking about Austin walking. For that TV station to try to pass it off as getting comments from Vince and JR is a major blow to their credibility, I believe, and should make us suspect of anything else they've said. The San Antonio Express-News is a good newspaper (it's not the one I work for). I think it will be important to see if there's something in there Monday morning.

Having said that, some news outlets might be going with the idea that they're not going to touch this until someone is arrested or charged. That could be particularly true for a domestic assault issue. Then again, we've certainly seen it before (Warren Moon) where a charge wasn't needed for multiple media outlets to get involved.

I'm not defending Austin or supporting him. Point is that what we're seeing from this TV station is sloppy at best.

(edited by Rex on 16.6.02 2132)


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#103 Posted on
The hell??? Rational thinking??? Get the hell outta here, Rex, we don't take kindly to your kind posting in this thread!!!

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#104 Posted on

    I'm very interested to see what CRZ and Scott Keith, two guys who have defended Austin in his situation with management, have to say about this whole business. Will it change their tone? I don't see how either of them could continue to support that man.


They are totally seperate situations. One is business/entertainment aspect, which is what CRZ and SK mainly write about.

The other is personal.

I still support Austin on the WWE end of things. I won't stand on any side on personal things. Same goes with Hall, Davey Boy etc.


    Honestly, I think they have *a lot* to do with each other. What he's just done to his own WIFE say volumes about his mental state going into the incident on Monday and immediately following. Don't you think it's eerie that JR would say "I think something is troubling Steve. He has demons to deal with" and then we find out he's beating his wife. We all know Austin's one passion is wrestling, so why would he walk out on his one passion? All we know is what we hear, but from what I hear, it seems like Steve Austin is a paranoid, violent, insecure man who sees his dream falling apart all around him. To separate his actions on Monday from his beating his wife is short-sighted. Every action we as human beings make speaks to our values and our emotional state. Steve Austin is a troubled man who needs someone's help, not a bunch of marks and "Yes men" telling him the things he does are good or productive.


You don't know the whole situation. None of us do. So sitting on a high horse telling us what he needs to do and what he doesn't need to do means next to nothing. To say he is paranoid, violent and insecure is nothing more than a stretch on your part. You don't know the man. Connecting the *character* he plays and the real life man is wrong in so many ways.








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#105 Posted on
What big daddy loco said.
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#106 Posted on
Does anybody remember why Debra left Mongo a few years back? Or for that matter, why Austin's previous wife left him? Does anybody recall any history of these two regarding abusive behavior/being abused?
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#107 Posted on
Quoth Rex "I just don't believe that JR and Vince gave them those statements. There is no way they would repeat, verbatim, what they said on Confidential -- Vince wasn't talking about the supposed wife-hitting when he said it wasn't a publicity stunt; as we know, he was talking about Austin walking. For that TV station to try to pass it off as getting comments from Vince and JR is a major blow to their credibility, I believe, and should make us suspect of anything else they've said."

I would say to that its quite possible that those stock statements were given to the media relations people. Perhaps there was a whole selections of quotes from the interviews shown last night, and these are the ones which were chosen to use. Having sent out enough 3 page press releases which end up having one sentence extracted out of them for an article I could see that at work here.





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#108 Posted on
    Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco

      I'm very interested to see what CRZ and Scott Keith, two guys who have defended Austin in his situation with management, have to say about this whole business. Will it change their tone? I don't see how either of them could continue to support that man.


    They are totally seperate situations. One is business/entertainment aspect, which is what CRZ and SK mainly write about.

    The other is personal.

    I still support Austin on the WWE end of things. I won't stand on any side on personal things. Same goes with Hall, Davey Boy etc.


      Honestly, I think they have *a lot* to do with each other. What he's just done to his own WIFE say volumes about his mental state going into the incident on Monday and immediately following. Don't you think it's eerie that JR would say "I think something is troubling Steve. He has demons to deal with" and then we find out he's beating his wife. We all know Austin's one passion is wrestling, so why would he walk out on his one passion? All we know is what we hear, but from what I hear, it seems like Steve Austin is a paranoid, violent, insecure man who sees his dream falling apart all around him. To separate his actions on Monday from his beating his wife is short-sighted. Every action we as human beings make speaks to our values and our emotional state. Steve Austin is a troubled man who needs someone's help, not a bunch of marks and "Yes men" telling him the things he does are good or productive.


    You don't know the whole situation. None of us do. So sitting on a high horse telling us what he needs to do and what he doesn't need to do means next to nothing. To say he is paranoid, violent and insecure is nothing more than a stretch on your part. You don't know the man. Connecting the *character* he plays and the real life man is wrong in so many ways.







*Again*, as I said in the post (or at least I "thought" I said) was that based on what I know, and from what JR and Vince said about Austin even before the battery came to light, Austin "seems" like a disturbed man. My fault for using declaratives. I never should have said "He is" anything. I "think" he's such and such. This is just my opinion and I think I'm intitled to it. I mean, Jesus, all we ever do here is *speculate*. And, we all know how close Bret Hart's character was to his real-life attitude in his latter days in the WWF. But anyway, this is just me speculating. I could be wrong, but the sad thing is I could be right.

(edited by KevinKellyisFNHardcore on 16.6.02 2201)


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#109 Posted on

    Originally posted by spf2119
    Ok, I know Bischoff on board.

    B - Steve Williams as a human being for whatever off-camera reasons has been having problems the last few months, which came to a head this week as his frustration with things in his life including lashing out at his employers and his spouse.

    Would I be wrong to apply Ockam's razor to this situation?



The most sensible post so far. I seriously wonder how fucked
up WE are when there are guys making posts about maybe Debra was filrting at the back and this made Steve flip kind of posts. Get real guys.


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#110 Posted on

    Originally posted by spf2119
    (snip)
    Now, I may come off as a naive mark when it's all said and done, but to me there's two possibilities at work here:

    A - The WWE has come up with the greatest worked shoot of all time... (snip) Then they either have his wife file a fraudulent police report complete with stage makeup and a fleeing husband, or else they have worked a network affiliate into running a news story which paints one of their two biggest stars as an unstable spousal abuser.



My gut instinct is that, if this is a work, that the WWF, er, WWE simply worked the station. I'm not familiar with Texas law, but I'm guessing that filing a fraudulent police report would be some sort of criminal violation of the law. Of course, reports of the incident seem to suggest that Debra didn't file charges... would that mean no report was ever filed with the police? Would there still be an incident report anyway?

With all the hoopla over the Net about this over the past three days, I can sort of understand why so many think the whole thing is a work. However, I'm still inclined to think that those people are being just a tad too cynical. Maybe it's just me not wanting to believe this is a work, but I'm still convinced we're seeing the ugliest shoot since Montreal '97 unfold before our eyes.

And the sad thing? This can't end well, whether it's a work or a shoot. If it's a work, then the WWE will alienate a lot of fans (WCW 2000-2001, anyone?), shareholders ("Vince, you're our CEO. You're gonna destroy this company if you keep this shit up!!"), and advertisers (Who wants to advertise for an action figure/t-shirt/etc. on a show where the star who brings in the most people disappears at the whim of the producers?). If it's a shoot, and all we've heard reported so far is true, then one of the greatest wrestlers of the 1990s has almost completely self-destructed. And we've seen two of the top guys with his employer sit by and let it happen. And people will come down hard on the WWF, er, WWE for letting portrayals of violence against women go too far, into "real life."

When Benoit & Co. defected to the WWF in Jan. 2001, I gave WCW 6 months to live. It turns out they actually had about 14 more months, when the WWF bought them out. I hate to be a harbinger of doom, but at this point? I'm giving the WWF, er, WWE fourteen months to live. And that's probably giving them more credit than they deserve at this point.



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#111 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.87
Aside from some serious grammatical issues in that brief bit on the Web site, I just don't believe that JR and Vince gave them those statements.

They didn't. Those were startements on Confidential.




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#112 Posted on
Being I work in the TV Industry right now, I can simply say that this station better be right, because if not they have a HUGE problem on their hands. The ABC's of news is;

Accuracy.
Brevity.
Clarity.


Once you lose one of these, you're trash. Period. This station has much to lose by doing this if it's a work.


(edited by El Nastio on 17.6.02 0201)

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#113 Posted on
This is just a sad, sad situation-- for Austin, for Debra, and in differing aspects, WWE, and all of us, the fans. I know this isn't really too much in keeping with the flow of the thread thus far, but I can't help but think that wrestling may never be the same for me.

Austin is living a personal hell now. Debra is living a personal hell now. And for that matter, she may have been for longer than we could ever know. As far as I'm concerned, I'm just keeping my fingers crossed... for Austin, who is a tragedy in progress, whom I hope will find it in him to do the right thing and get some professional help to make his life, and for Debra especially. Nobody deserves to get beaten.

Sorry, just had to speak out on this.

Damn...







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#114 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.10
Gee, still not a SINGLE NON-WRESTLING SOURCE YET? I'm making fucked up comments? The reason I said what I did about Debra is that she had to make this up if it was reported to anyone. But here is the rub.

Under current laws you can not show up to a domestic dispute with proof of violence and not take one or both parties into custody. Yes even in Texas. Hell, don't believe my legal knowledge watch freaking COPS one night. The only reason I dragged Debra down was that if she did say to someone that she was hit but she wouldn't press charges she didn't say it to a police officer. 1bob maybe, but not a cop.

Then let's look at it from another angle. WWE just shit on his name on Confidential while he is just sitting in his home. How can we make him look bad. I know! Let's say he got so mad after watching the show that the drunk redneck hit his wife just like the piece of shit we told you he was! Who needs proof. Melt'z will print it and there is no slander cause it is a "rumour site".

While you are at it let's not forget the fact that if Steve Williams hauled off and slugged Debra in her eye she would not have a welt under it but they would still be looking for it under the cowhide sofa after the eyeball exited out of the back of her skull.

I'm done. Not a singe news source wants a shot at a story like this to degrade the WWE? Since when?




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#115 Posted on
Well, I'd say that the fact that this allegedly happened the night before confidential was aired would make "How can we make him look bad. I know! Let's say he got so mad after watching the show that the drunk redneck hit his wife just like the piece of shit we told you he was!" a really stupidly dumb theoretical statement.

And as for more news outlets... Unless it's something really, truly major (and with celebrities, that could mean anything), monday is usually when you actually hear about what's goin on if it happens on the weekend. Sadly, wife beating doesn't seem to be a majorly important thing to report on, even with most celebrities.

Or, it could be that the legit news sites who want to cover it want to get confirmation from the police deptartment themselves?
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#116 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.10
Ok my bad. So it has been over 48 hours now? Still no Smoking Gun report. Still no police blotter. Not one single "scoop" from anyone that would want to be the first to report this. They all agreed to wait till monday right before RAW. Makes perfect sense.


No really, I am done this time.

Edit: Oh and despite when it allegedly happened it didn't pop up on 1popup.com until after Confidential

(edited by Jackson on 17.6.02 0128)

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#117 Posted on

    Originally posted by Jackson
    (le snip)
    While you are at it let's not forget the fact that if Steve Williams hauled off and slugged Debra in her eye she would not have a welt under it but they would still be looking for it under the cowhide sofa after the eyeball exited out of the back of her skull.



Do the words Sid and squeegee mean anything? I'm sure it's a legit possibility he'd do that, but I don't remember hearing any accounts of his real-life fighting ability. (Then again, maybe I'm not paying attention.)


    Originally posted by Jackson


    I'm done. Not a singe news source wants a shot at a story like this to degrade the WWE? Since when?



Maybe they think WWE isn't worth it anymore. ESPN has some respect for it, having just done a piece on Marlins manager Jeff Torborg and his son/strength coach, who you might have heard of, Dale. Ryan Dempster even ran in and cut a promo on the Rock. (Intriguingly enough, they said he's still with the XWF... guess they're still around.)
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#118 Posted on

    Originally posted by drjayphd
    Maybe they think WWE isn't worth it anymore. ESPN has some respect for it, having just done a piece on Marlins manager Jeff Torborg and his son/strength coach, who you might have heard of, Dale. Ryan Dempster even ran in and cut a promo on the Rock. (Intriguingly enough, they said he's still with the XWF... guess they're still around.)


Well, they'll take shots at boxing, even though its all but a dead horse. The Tyson/Lewis fight was built up as "a fight to clean up boxing" and that Tyson "represented boxing as run by unsavory elements" even though boxing has been on an incredible downturn in popularity for the last decade.

If there's a chance to take a shot, they'll take it. And I can't see them NOT jumping all over this one.

While I accept that the major nets and the "entertainment news" guys may be preparing this for Monday, I'm STILL surprised it didn't spread out from more than ONE San Antonio news station. Sure at least all of Texas would be buzzing about this even on a Sunday. He's local. Local celebrities are NEWS, no matter what you think of how they make their living.





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#119 Posted on
Jesus, you're all sick.

That's it. You can't accept something like this, even in the world of pro wrestling? How about the fact that Meltzer has reportedly spoke to the police in the San Antonio area and verified that an incident did take lace? How about the fact that this hasn't been mentioned in any WWE outlet (ie. WWE.com)?

One of the biggest things that annoys me about non-wrestling fans is their inability to accept when something's real, perhaps the biggest case of this being Owen Hart's death. And now look at us, sitting around here, picking holes in a story that's been verified by a TV station, by a police oficer, and by numerous wrestling websites. And yet, just because we still haven't heard anything in the mainstream media, why it's gotta be fake! I'm not condemning Steve-O, mainly because he hasn't been charged, but can't you accept that an incident DID take place? I mean shit, this is the real world; we're not talking about them "working the sheets". And think about this; if this WAS a work, then surely the purpose of it is to draw attention to the company. So surely, using the "no mainstream" point, the fed would have made sure that the story found it's way onto the newsdesk of every major paper.

Fuck...

What is going on here...






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#120 Posted on

    Originally posted by oldschoolhero


    Fuck...

    What is going on here...



People are in denial. That's what. And hey jackson, I meant
we as a collective whole and not you in specific.

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