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#1 Posted on
"For one, why should a wrestler care at all about wins and losses? You did not see the cast of Seinfeld complaining about being thrown in jail at the end of their run"

The cast of Seinfeld didn't get paid on incentives based on whether or not their characters would be in jail. Wrestlers make the most money by headlining, wrestlers have to get pushed to the top of the card to headline, wrestlers get pushed to the top of the card by winning.

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"The cast of Seinfeld didn't get paid on incentives based on whether or not their characters would be in jail. Wrestlers make the most money by headlining, wrestlers have to get pushed to the top of the card to headline, wrestlers get pushed to the top of the card by winning."

Why is that, exactly? You do not think it is silly to pay wrestlers incentives if they win in a pre-determined contest?



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"Why is that, exactly? You do not think it is silly to pay wrestlers incentives if they win in a pre-determined contest?"

It's not incentives on winning or losing, it's incentives on their position on the card. Because the people in the main events are generally the ones who sell the show, so they're more responsible on a good or bad buyrate, so they get paid more.
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Exactly. Just as the star of a TV show gets paid more. WWE just has a much larger cast. I have no problem with "upper card" wrestlers getting paid more- but they should act and be treated like actors. Instead of whining about wins and losses (the Big Show makes the same HUGE sum of money even though he is a glorified jobber), they should worry about what they are being asked to do. YES, the writers have a lot of authority, and I think that is wrong. There is a problem there- and just complaining about it instead of looking at the big picture and seeing what critical things need to be changed is a bad idea on everyone's part. The solutions presented so far are obviously NOT doing any good....



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I agree with you that the WWE needs to be treated more like a tv show than a sport, since that is the way Vince seems to be presenting it, but there are some key facts you are missing.

First, the Big Show may be a glorified jobber making the same money no matter what happens to him, but he and Mark Henry are the exception more than the rule. Both of them got extremely lengthy ten year contracts when they signed, so it doesn't matter what happens to them for that duration (get sent to OVW), they are going to get their downside and be fine. But most wrestlers seem to wrestle on two to three year contracts, and in that case, they DO have a concern as to where they are on the card. Because if they are higher up on the card at the end of their three years than they were when they came in, they can ask for more of a pay raise. And if they are lower, then the raise won't be very much, if at all. And that doesn't even factor in the concept of merchandising. If a wrestler can stay over, and keep selling t-shirts, then that's going to up his or her bottom line. If a wrestler comes in and jobs all the time and isn't given an opportunity to develop a marketable character, who would even want to buy their stuff??? How many Brooklyn Brawler t-shirts does anyone own?

And that's the essential point that you miss. Yes, wrestling is a tv show, but what other tv show travels weekly to 20,000 seat arenas and airs a live show? What other tv show asks you to monthly give up $35 to see a special three hour episode? The management depends on the wrestlers to be entertaining and get people to want to PAY to see them, and then effectively, that pay is then diverted back to the wrestlers after management takes their cut. That's why main eventers make more than mid-carders, people are more willing to pay to see the main eventers. Look at the hubbub about Hogan not being in Australia and the Rock not being at tv this week. People paid to see them. There was no great outcry a few weeks ago when the Unamericans and Jericho jumped to Raw and thus weren't at that night's Smackdown taping.

So once it is established that the wrestlers at the top deserve their money, and that the wrestlers who are at the top make more money, why wouldn't anyone want to be a wrestler at the top? Unfortunately, too many wrestlers still interpret being at the top as winning your matches. The Rock knows better. He knows that he can job to Stephanie McMahon, and still be over because he'll make fun of the announcer and spout his catchphrases. HHH doesn't quite get that. He thinks that by being all over tv, and winning convincingly and losing by flukes, he will be over, and people will care about his twenty minute promos with Shawn. He's wrong. But he is right about how to cut people down. Jericho is not as over as he should be because of HHH's alleged backstage antics. The problem is that its easier to stop people from ascending than it is to compete with them and prove you belong there.



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