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- 12-year contract
- semifinals rotating among six sites
- committee picks the four teams

Hooray.

    Originally posted by wmatistic
    Bottom line, and you have no idea how much pleasure I take in writing this, you can wish for a playoff in one hand and crap in the other and see which gets filled first. Get over it, it's not happening.


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To be fair to him, I'm fairly sure that if you had been crapping in your hand since 2006, it would have been filled long before now.
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Which now begs the question, which two bowls get elevated to semifinal status alongside the Orange, Rose, Sugar, and Fiesta?

Cotton Bowl almost has to be one, especially if they end up playing it at the Jerrydome, which would leave one other.



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    Originally posted by TheBucsFan
    To be fair to him, I'm fairly sure that if you had been crapping in your hand since 2006, it would have been filled long before now.


I know...and that wasn't very nice. I couldn't hep but go back and re-read some of our BCS vs. playoffs-donnybrooks and that's the one quote that stood out. If he wants to get me back he can remind me of the time I theorized that Arturo Gatti would beat Floyd Mayweather.



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    Originally posted by Packman V2
    Which now begs the question, which two bowls get elevated to semifinal status alongside the Orange, Rose, Sugar, and Fiesta?

    Cotton Bowl almost has to be one, especially if they end up playing it at the Jerrydome, which would leave one other.


Offhand, I'll guess the games go to "the two highest bidders". Of which Jones will make Cowboys Stadium a virtual lock to be one of the two.



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    Originally posted by Packman V2
    Cotton Bowl almost has to be one, especially if they end up playing it at the Jerrydome, which would leave one other.

The last two Cotton Bowls have been played at JerryWorld (aka the Death Star). I understand why, but it still seems wrong to me that the Cotton Bowl is not being played in the Cotton Bowl.
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If they are rotating, I am going to say Fiesta, Rose, Orange, Jerry World, Sugar and maybe the New Meadowland as a giant Dark Horse. And Thank God for this. Even sketchy playoffs are better than no playoffs.



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The more I think about this, the more annoyed I am it is being called a playoff. It is not a playoff. It is more or less the same system as before, but with four teams instead of two in the final. Four is better than two, I guess, but this still isn't a playoff. If it were playoffs, in the same sense that we use the word in every other sport, then going undefeated would guarantee a team entry - not just make it very likely. And in fact for most teams in the country - that is, every team outside the SEC, Big Ten, Big XII, Pac XII, maybe the ACC, and a handful of teams in other conferences, going undefeated once wouldn't even make it much more likely. Would an undefeated Sun Belt, WAC or Conference USA champ get in? Or a Mountain West team besides Boise State (if they decide not to join the Big East)? Or a Big East school outside of whatever one or two (if that many) that enters the season ranked? Very, very unlikely.

Another reason this bothers me has to do with the ACC. I keep seeing "power conference" regarding the ACC, and not the Big East. Now, I'm an alum and (waning) fan of a Big East school, so maybe I'm biased, but I can't see what the ACC has done to earn that moniker that the Big East hasn't. The ACC hasn't had a BCS champ since 1999 (Miami obviously was in the Big East when they last won), and has performed embarrassingly terrible in big bowl games in the time since. Last year at least, computer rankings had the Big East as the better conference. But under this system, as I understand it, the ACC is going to get much more money than the Big East, which will eventually make this baseless view that the ACC is a "power conference" relative to the Big East come true. The ACC is a power conference only when it comes to political power in "the system," not by any on-the-field measurement.

This whole deal works to give the facade of gaining greater admission to the hunt for a title, but it's just another meeting of the good ol' boys club. My interest in college football has dropped off so dramatically since the most recent wave of conference money-grabbing kicked off about two to three years ago, and this has me wondering if I'm even going to watch anymore from now on. I'm so sick of the power imbalance in this sport and unlike just about any other sport in America, the rules are structured to preserve that imbalance rather than combat it. And the NCAA is totally powerless to do anything about it.

EDIT: The first part I wrote may be a bit harsh - the only way it could be guaranteed that every undefeated team gets in in every theoretically possible scenario is if there are at least as many spots as conferences. I would love to see that, and I think it has to at least be something close to that for this to be at all valid to me, but I'm sure there is something short of that that I would consider OK. But it's not this - this is just going to be the Ohio States, Oklahomas, Alabamas, etc., playing each other every year, just like it has been for decades, except it's going to be four of them involved instead of two. And you might say, "yeah, it should be them, they're the best every year!" But of COURSE they're the best every year - the whole sport of college football is designed to make sure the teams that were the best 50 years ago are also the best today.

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Joe Schad has been saying on Twitter that this still isn't am official NCAA Football championship, and that it is still an outside deal like the BCS. I wonder why the NCAA doesn't (or can't) just step in and take control of it. Maybe the lack of NCAA governing it is the reason why there is not equal access (and therefore a 16 or 24-team tournament).



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I've heard that the NCAA is afraid of the BCS conferences bolting if they try to exert too much control. i.e. "Oh, you want every conference champion in a playoff? Well try having a playoff without the SEC, Pac-12, and Big Ten. We're going to join our own college athletic association (or join the NAIA or something)." I don't know how serious those concerns are, but I am curious to see the breakdown of football revenue by school, and how top heavy it may or may not be.
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I like it. The only concern will be those outlier years when you happen to get five unbeaten teams, but otherwise, this should more or less ensure that everyone "worthy" gets a shot at the national championship. Sure, you can have worthy one-loss teams but if you're arguing between the one-lossers, in any case you're just arguing between teams who are already lesser-than.

Now, if a 12-0 Boise State is shafted in favour of two 11-1 teams from major conferences, THAT will be some bullcrap.



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    Originally posted by TheBucsFan
    The more I think about this, the more annoyed I am it is being called a playoff. It is not a playoff. It is more or less the same system as before, but with four teams instead of two in the final.

    (edited by TheBucsFan on 27.6.12 1317)


Which is why I'm okay with it for now. I'd prefer if they didn't do anything, but if they can keep it at four like they promised today(won't happen), then no big deal. Regular season intact, bowls stick around, not a big change at all really. If they were going to a playoff this is the best case I could have hoped for, aside from a Plus 1, which was a silly idea.

As to the Big East, they and the ACC have both sucked, you're splitting hairs to debate which is better. I think the main reason the ACC gets the nod is the same reason Notre Dame got a seat at the table this week. You have some historically strong programs that most everyone believes are going to rise back up eventually. Though honestly I think most have given up on Notre Dame at this point. If not for that NBC deal, they wouldn't have as much pull.

May not be fair the Big East gets the shaft in that regard, but with a race this close as to who sucks more...things like that can make a difference.

Not to mention the Big East lost WV, Pitt and Syracuse which really doesn't help. The ACC may not have gained a ton by adding two of those teams, but at least they look stable in comparison and I think that has influence as well.

I'm just going to ignore all this playoff stuff and enjoy the next two years while I can. Should find out this year if Jimbo Fisher is capable of producing with the ridiculous talent he's stockpiled or if he's FSU's version of Ron Zook. I'm betting he delivers.
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    Originally posted by wmatistic
    As to the Big East, they and the ACC have both sucked, you're splitting hairs to debate which is better. I think the main reason the ACC gets the nod is the same reason Notre Dame got a seat at the table this week. You have some historically strong programs that most everyone believes are going to rise back up eventually. Though honestly I think most have given up on Notre Dame at this point. If not for that NBC deal, they wouldn't have as much pull.

    May not be fair the Big East gets the shaft in that regard, but with a race this close as to who sucks more...things like that can make a difference.


I agree that the difference between the ACC and Big East is marginal, if it exists at all, but when the difference means millions and millions of dollars over the course of the 12-year contract, these are hairs that deserve to be split. Clearly you're right that it's prestige and the self-fulfilling concept of stability that led to this decision, but that's exactly why I'm saying this is no better than the BCS: Something that is nominally to better determine the best teams is actually about little more than off-the-field, behind-the-scenes politics.

There won't, in my opinion, be a valid, credible postseason format until the goal in practice is actually inclusion, competitiveness and equal opportunity for all teams. The BCS and now this both have the opposite of all of those things as a consequence. I argued for years against any sort of playoff, but the most recent wave of conference shifting changed my mind. Which is what I mean when I say stability in college football is a self-fulfilling concept: This environment rewards the ACC and Big XII for raiding the Big East, then that raid is used as justification for kicking the Big East to the curb.

I don't want to see a situation where today's SEC and today's Conference USA are treated as equals. But I do want to see a situation where Conference USA (or whatever other league) has some sort of realistic chance of improving its standing through its teams performing well. That can't happen now not only because those teams don't even really get an opportunity to prove themselves against the bigger league teams, but the resources are so dramatically tilted in those bigger leagues' favor that there's no chance of anything changing anyway.
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Not that I understand college football at all but how can a committee *picking the teams involved* in a playoff be considering legitimate?
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    Originally posted by wannaberockstar
    Not that I understand college football at all but how can a committee *picking the teams involved* in a playoff be considering legitimate?



The short answer, in my opinion: It can't be considered legitimate. The longer answer is, they probably think it will fly because college basketball uses a committee to fill out the NCAA Tournament field. The obvious difference is, in college basketball, every single team starts the year with an equal opportunity to get in independent of some selection committee: Win your conference tournament (or just win the regular season league title, in the case of the Ivy League), and you are in, no matter what. That would be a laughable suggestion with this format for football: Realistically each year, you could put together a list of about 10 to 15 teams in the preseason and just about every year have at least three of the teams in the so-called playoff come from that list. That's really exciting for the other 100+ teams in the top division. And if you're not in one of the so-called "power conferences," you can absolutely forget it unless you've had multiple undefeated seasons in the very recent past, and even then it's no guarantee.
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    Originally posted by TheBucsFan
      Originally posted by wannaberockstar
      Not that I understand college football at all but how can a committee *picking the teams involved* in a playoff be considering legitimate?



    The short answer, in my opinion: It can't be considered legitimate.


I don't think it is any less legitimate than how they picked TWO teams. Much of that was based on voting by people...people whose main job in life was NOT to be concerned with properly evaluating all 124 college football teams. And if they actually have transparency about how voting went down it *should* be OK.

(That is NOT a vote of support or anything. It would be 1000000000x better if there was an actual set of criteria that every team knew about and could do their best to achieve to make the four-team playoff.)



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You'll get no real argument from me there, JayJay. If someone forced me to choose between these two formats I'd take the four-team one, because the more teams the better, even if I think they both suck. The one thing I'll say in favor of the BCS format is, with No. 1 vs No. 2 in a ranking system we all are somewhat familiar with now, there was closer to a definite criteria then than there is now. But ultimately both depend on the arbitrary nature of human voting, of course.

I honestly think I'd rather see the BCS rankings remain and Nos. 1-4 go to the "playoff" then what we've got. I agree with you that transparency in the voting is vital, though, and a big shortcoming of the old system. Do we know for sure that such transparency will exist? I don't remember reading anything to that affect, but that doesn't mean it's not there.

This selection committee is kind of entering uncharted territory, so I guess we don't really know what to expect yet, my cynicism notwithstanding.
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    Originally posted by TheBucsFan
      Originally posted by wannaberockstar
      Not that I understand college football at all but how can a committee *picking the teams involved* in a playoff be considering legitimate?



    The short answer, in my opinion: It can't be considered legitimate. The longer answer is, they probably think it will fly because college basketball uses a committee to fill out the NCAA Tournament field. The obvious difference is, in college basketball, every single team starts the year with an equal opportunity to get in independent of some selection committee: Win your conference tournament (or just win the regular season league title, in the case of the Ivy League), and you are in, no matter what. That would be a laughable suggestion with this format for football: Realistically each year, you could put together a list of about 10 to 15 teams in the preseason and just about every year have at least three of the teams in the so-called playoff come from that list. That's really exciting for the other 100+ teams in the top division. And if you're not in one of the so-called "power conferences," you can absolutely forget it unless you've had multiple undefeated seasons in the very recent past, and even then it's no guarantee.


This reminds me of some "fantasy booking" JJD and I have had over the years in the playoff debate. He, or I (or both, I can't remember) had a good idea for a 16 team playoff.

11 conference champs and 5 at large. That gives every team a chance to make the playoffs (just win your conference) or be a top 5 non-champion/independent team. Make the BCS formula more like basketball's RPI to seed the teams and take the top 5 non champions.

Take the selected teams and seed them 1-16 based on their RPI. Conference champs will not be automatically seeded higher than the at-large teams so the smaller conference champs would have to travel if ranked 9-16, and have the final rounds at the "BCS" sites.

To me, that makes it more legit. A move to 32 teams would be 11 champs and 21 at large teams. That just seems like too many. The only way that could work is to wipe out 8 bowl games as 16 more bowl eligible teams would be in the playoffs.



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    Originally posted by TheBucsFan


    Another reason this bothers me has to do with the ACC. I keep seeing "power conference" regarding the ACC, and not the Big East. Now, I'm an alum and (waning) fan of a Big East school, so maybe I'm biased, but I can't see what the ACC has done to earn that moniker that the Big East hasn't. The ACC hasn't had a BCS champ since 1999 (Miami obviously was in the Big East when they last won), and has performed embarrassingly terrible in big bowl games in the time since. Last year at least, computer rankings had the Big East as the better conference. But under this system, as I understand it, the ACC is going to get much more money than the Big East, which will eventually make this baseless view that the ACC is a "power conference" relative to the Big East come true. The ACC is a power conference only when it comes to political power in "the system," not by any on-the-field measurement.


The Big East is the only BCS conference that doesn't have a BCS Bowl tie-in. The Orange Bowl used to be ACC vs Big East Champions, but since 2006, the Big East champion is an At-Large and has no "home" BCS Bowl.

Current Tie-Ins:
Fiesta: Big 12 vs At-Large
Orange: ACC vs At-Large
Rose: Big Ten vs PAC-12
Sugar: SEC vs At-Large




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