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Two teams went out this offseason and bolstered their lineups. Texas and the NY Mets went out and spared no expense to add power and run support to their teams in hopes of gaining ground on their division rivals, Seattle and Atlanta.

Seattle and Atlanta are two teams that have some of the best and deepest pitching in the game today. Both do have very good lineups, but nowhere near the lineups of Texas and the Mets.

So whats better good pitching or insane hitting. I'm going to have to go with pitching. Good pitching can beat good hitting anyday.
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Pitching, pitching, pitching, pitching, pitching. Did I say pitching?

Just look at Texas last year. They went out and upgraded their offense a lot, and did nothing with their pitching. And ended up in or near last place.

Offense is always a good thing. But pitching is much more important. If it was the other way around, the Rockies would be winning the World Series year after year.
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Along those lines, there was an interesting article on Espn.com when the Rangers signed Juan Gone.

It was entitled

Rangers: 1,000 runs may not be enough

Offense will only get your so far. I mean my beloved Yankees were within 2 outs of another World Series and they mustered, what, like 3 hits the entire series. (Sure seemed like it).

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#4 Posted on

The DBacks won it all with one big hitter and the two best starters in the NL.

So I guess pitching wins.



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I'd rather have both like the Yankees, why do you think they have so many rings.
thecubsfan
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Since: 10.12.01
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#6 Posted on
>So whats better good pitching or insane hitting. I'm
>going to have to go with pitching. Good pitching can beat
>good hitting anyday.

(Bat ALeague/NLeague Rank, Pitch ALeague/NLeague Rank)

2001
NYY (5, 3) vs SEA (1, 1) (Experienced Yankees win despite numbers)
ARI (3, 2) vs ATL (13, 1) (Hitting beats pitching, when the other team can't hit.)

2000
NYY (6, 6) vs SEA (4, 2) (Experienced Yankees win despite numbers)
NYM (7, 3) vs STL (4, 7) (Pitching beats hitting, others numbers about equal)

1999
NYY (3, 2) vs BOS (9, 1) (Hitting beats pitching, when your pitching is better than opponents hitting?)
NYM (5, 5) vs ATL (6, 1) (Balance is more important?)

1998
NYY (1, 1) vs CLE (6, 5) (Yankees are really good)
SDP (8, 3) vs ATL (4, 1) (Experienced Padres win despite numbers - wait...)

I don't know that there's absolutes to be found here...



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(edited by thecubsfan on 17.1.02 0904)
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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.87
I don't know that there's absolutes to be found here...

Sure there is! Atlanta can't win the big one, and the Yankees rarely lose the big one.




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I think it's a combination of both (obviously). The best pitchers in the world need hitting to score the runs for when they cant pitch at their best..... you've got the problem when two pitchers go head to head and throw near hitless games a lineup has to step up and score some runs.



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thecubsfan
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>Sure there is! Atlanta can't win the big one, and the
>Yankees rarely lose the big one.

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(edited by thecubsfan on 17.1.02 2114)
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cfgb is right.

Out of curiousity, was anyone else wondering what the Rangers were trying to do this offseason?

"Hey, we have bad pitching. Let's solve this problem by getting more offense and a potentially volatile clubhouse!"

Somehow, I think I skipped that page when reading "How To Build a Better Ballclub".

Oh, and to answer the question, some of my earlier posts addressed this question indirectly, but I'm a staunch believer that great pitching and a mediocre offense can beat a powerful lineup with bad pitching any day of the week. Heck, it should be able to beat great offense and mediocre pitching. But, when you say offense, do you mean power or speed? Not to mention the role the defense plays... is the defense good or bad? If you've got bad defense, the argument's pointless - the pitching's toast, and anything the offense does will be given back.
BobHollySTILLRules
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The Rangers were doing exactly what should be expected from them, I mean John Hart IS running them. Look at the Indians of the 90's. Pitching was always their problem, which is ironic because they're going to be carried by their pitching this year. I can't stand Cleveland (because everyone here loves them) but I think they're going to be better than expected.



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