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#21 Posted on
I wonder where this leaves poor Sean O'Haire at. Piper was his actual chance at good air time.
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#22 Posted on
"Sean O'Haire could have been one of the coolest characters in wrestling today. The vignettes intrigued fans to no end. People were legitimately curious. The character had limitless potential and possibilities. Whether he came in as a face or a heel, it didn't matter--people just wanted to see what he would do. Everyone was on the edge of their seats waiting for O'Haire to debut. So what does Vince McMahon and the alleged "creative" team do? They flush it all down the toilet and turn him into a second banana for an ungrateful, selfish old fart who never should have been re-hired in the first place!"

Actually, IIRC, O'Haire's debut was pushed back after him absolutely sucking at in-ring promos to put over his character before dark matches. I'd say that Piper being O'Haire's cornerman did him more good than him going out and fucking it all up himself.

And on the Piper firing: Who gives a shit?



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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.59
Well that was a nice news to wake to this morning. Piper is fired and Sturm Thurmond is dead. That was a quick round of bad news, good news. Anyway, I think this is a mistake for the WWE. I am a huge Piper mark, so there is some biased here.

Firing Piper does have some reprecussions. One of which is the general fan audience at least in the coming weeks. Since they have been advertising Piper's Pit return in Calgary and Rochester, the fans will be disappointed not to see it. Sadly enough, Piper/O'Haire is one of the few tag teams Smackdown has. So, now who does Tajiri/Eddie face at the next PPV, the Bashem Brothers? Yuck. Christ maybe they should just dump this tag team belt and go for the cruiserweight tag team belts that Kidman and Rey have. At least you have a good crop to pick from there.

The other problem is the locker room. Granted Piper kept to himself, but this total dictorship the WWE is becoming can't be a good thing. They fire Piper for being controversial and out spoken which they knew about for years. So, what exactly did get Piper fired was it the fact he sounded like a nut who took/takes drugs during and HBO interview or because he called Vince and the creative team out on how the product is handled of late on the radio shows? I am leaning towards to the radio interviews. Granted, the HBO didn't help matters and quite honestly if you were going to fire anyone over the HBO special, I'd say fire Vince. Piper may have come off as a self-loathing individual who hates the company, but needs the money, but at least he didn't try to start a fight with the interviewer. Christ, Vince grow up.

Piper got canned for saying what most of us feel about the product, it sucks. Piper pointed out that Sean O'Haire doesn't need him, that Piper's Pits have become stale thanks to the writing and he even wonders about the current direction of the company. Roddy is right and saying the young talent needs to get over and soon. Granted him being there hurts matters, but does it? Piper came in to the Mr.American/Vince storyline as the tweener, but soon became straight out heel when Rikishi showed up. The problem, I have is that they should have kept Piper as the tweener like he used to be. Have him move along the storylines a bit of an instigator. There was no need to have Sean O'Haire there. If anything it would have been better to have Sean O'Haire as a an interviewee then apperantice. They could have used Piper's Pit more effectively instead of just using for a few weeks and then scrapping it.

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#24 Posted on
While I'm not a major fan of Roddy Piper, A Fan sums up my feelings about his firing perfectly. It's becoming more and more obvious to me by the day that the culture of wrestling as we know it is forcibly being stagnated by Vince, Stephanie & Hunter and any attempts by anyone to talk about it freely or change it is simply going to result in the person getting fired.

*sighs*

At the very least though, the Highlight Reel won the war. :)



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#25 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.65

    Originally posted by A Fan
    Well that was a nice news to wake to this morning. Piper is fired and Sturm Thurmond is dead. That was a quick round of bad news, good news. Anyway, I think this is a mistake for the WWE. I am a huge Piper mark, so there is some biased here.
Begging your pardon...did you REALLY say up there that it was *good news* that Strom Thurmond (or any name, for that matter) was dead? 'cause that's the kind of statement that will get you a quick, forced invitation to Anywhere But Here.



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#26 Posted on
"While I'm not a major fan of Roddy Piper, A Fan sums up my feelings about his firing perfectly. It's becoming more and more obvious to me by the day that the culture of wrestling as we know it is forcibly being stagnated by Vince, Stephanie & Hunter and any attempts by anyone to talk about it freely or change it is simply going to result in the person getting fired."

Bwahahahahahaha. Yes, Vince, Steph and Hunter decided as a group to fuck over free speech by firing a rambling old loon from a job he never should've had in the first place. Just to clarify, Piper was part of the problem, not part of the solution. Had Edge been fired for his negative view of the current WWE direction then MAYBE I could see your point; but Hot Rod is a)Taking up TV time that could be better spent, and b)A self-serving jack-off whose "Attempts to talk about things freely" usually end up in tasteless self-promotion or nonsensical raving.

Oh, and for the record, it doesn't even appear to be Piper's dislike of the WWE's direction that got him fired; I'd say his admission to extensive drug use sealed his fate more than anything. And even if his problems are a wider indication of inner problems of wrestling, the fed would be downright foolish to keep an admitted drug abuser amongst it's staff, guilt or no. So stop twisting Piper into a working man's hero standing up for a better product, because he is nothing of the sort.

(edited by oldschoolhero on 27.6.03 0522)


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#27 Posted on
I get the feeling the WWE is *this* close to getting somekind of investigation. I like how the WWE has finally realized that Roddy has been on drugs after, oh, 20 or so years.




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#28 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.20
I'm personally lobbying for Piper's Pit to become the O'Haire Salon, complete with Sean giving beauty and hair care tips with Dawn Marie as his sultry assistant. Debut segment: A-Train's 10-minute Makeover Miracle.



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#29 Posted on
Did everyone else fail to notice that they stated that they'd been trying to negotiate his contract for nearly 3 months now and hadn't reached a mutually acceptable agreement? Sounds to me like they got tired of fighting with Piper over how much money/how many dates and just decided to cut their losses.

I'd say the mention of the HBO special serves one of two purposes. Either to A) attempt to make themselves look good by removing a performer from the road who admits that being on the road is the cause of his drug abuse or B) give the IWC something else to babble on about endlessly with very little actual knowledge of the subject being debated. Out of curiosity, was this statement issued as an official press release or just something posted on their website?
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#30 Posted on
A few thoughts:

They were very fortunate that they decided to rush Hogan/Piper (though it sucked), rather than hold it for an extra two months for the July SD PPV.
Does this mean Mr. McMahon will not be appearing on Piper's Pit on the house show circuit, as Linda stated during her latest enthralling conference call?
As for O'Haire, send him to RAW as compensation for Bradshaw and make him Evolution #4. At least the fans would have a clue of who he is, rather than the 'Who the Bleep is He?' reaction and probable apathy for Jindrik.



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#31 Posted on
I never really enjoyed Piper being in WWE, as whenever I thought of WWE being behind on times, is face was the first that I thought of. But that was a really shitty thing WWE did. Firing him because of what he said on the HBO show, and then posting that comment about "We hope Piper and his family kind find happiness", implying that he has a horrible drug problem, was just wrong.

And you've gotta' feel bad for Sean O'Haire. Without Piper, he's just gonna' get lost in the shuffle, again.



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#32 Posted on

    Originally posted by oldschoolhero
    Bwahahahahahaha. Yes, Vince, Steph and Hunter decided as a group to fuck over free speech by firing a rambling old loon from a job he never should've had in the first place. Just to clarify, Piper was part of the problem, not part of the solution. Had Edge been fired for his negative view of the current WWE direction then MAYBE I could see your point; but Hot Rod is a)Taking up TV time that could be better spent, and b)A self-serving jack-off whose "Attempts to talk about things freely" usually end up in tasteless self-promotion or nonsensical raving.


At least SOMEONE in WWE took the initiative to do his own thing and attempt to get himself over. Who cares if his stuff is self-serving? That's not the point.

Maybe what Piper was doing wasn't all that entertaining anymore, but it was genuinely his own thing, and that's something we rarely see in WWE as Management always makes new talents conform to this mythical "WWE Style" and has writers that create the mold that they want everyone to fit.

If anything, the RVDs, the Edges, and the O'Haires should start working to serve themselves instead of being part of this "happy lockerroom environment", because the higher-ups sure as hell aren't doing their job to get them over. Pro-wrestling has ALWAYS been based on competition, not conformity.

As far as Vince, Stephanie, and HHH go in "conspiring to fire Piper" or whatever, I don't think it works that way. And, I do think you're right that it has more to do with Piper projecting a negative image for the company in regards to the drug use backstage.

That said, Piper was right. Vince is the guy making them work 300 days a year or whatever they work, and there really is little being done about the lifestyle wrestlers lead in the industry. HBO supposedly exaggerated the facts, but we all know there's truth in there, too. Piper said what was on his mind and that's what he's always been known to do. As I stated earlier, Vince knew what he was getting when he hired Piper. Piper just wanted the paycheck.

Just because Curt Hennig and Davey Boy Smith died after they left the WWF doesn't mean that their lifestyle in the WWF had nothing to do with it. It is a personal choice on their parts, but the fact that they have to perform every night factors heavily into it.

I think the guys in the back should actually take HHH's advice from earlier this year, strap a rocket on themselves, and get themselves over. But, they're too worried about their job security to do anything about it.



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#33 Posted on
To the people who are glad Piper was fired because you didn't like his latest work in the WWE: You are missing the point. The WWE will need a new past-his-prime wrestler who can get by on his name with federation ties and a connection to Hulk Hogan. Enter Randy Savage...

At least you can understand Piper...

Second, I wantched HBO and didn't see what Piper said or did that was so terrible. He admitted to past drug use. He said he's regretted some of the things he has done in the past. He said that he isn't fond of the "heel" character he plays on TV.

He didn't really admit to much that Vince McMahon hasn't admitted to (or Hogan or Ventura or most of the other "older" stars). But unlike McMahon, he handled himself with a degree of dignity and actually seemed as if he cared about his fellow wrestlers.



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#34 Posted on
He went in public and basicaly blamed Vince for his drug problems not a shock to me he got caned
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#35 Posted on
Ok, I know Inverse already mentioned this already, but I think most of you missed it. Piper was not fired. Let me say that again. Piper was not fired. They have been attempting to negotiate his contract, and were unable to come to an agreement. Possibly the HBO special affected the negotiations, possibly not. This is not the point. The point is that this has been in the making for a while and is not some kind of rash decision by management.

(edited by Tenken347 on 27.6.03 0917)
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#36 Posted on
My impression was that he was blaming promoters in general. And he's right. Promoters:

1. Don't allow unions, benefits, or retirement plans
2. Fire wrestlers for being "injury prone", fueling the need for painkillers
3. Don't actively try to foster a drug-free environment
4. Don't test for steroids
5. Try to circumvent the drug testing that certain localities require

Look-- does anyone REALLY think that Vince watched "Real Sports" and thought, "Gee, Roddy used drugs in the past?! I didn't know that. Well, for the good of the Piper family, I should fire him so he won't go down that path again!"

Firing Piper was another example of a promoter's power to eliminate anyone who says anything that contradicts the company line. And it served as a chilling warning shot to the other wrestlers, I'm sure.

And that was probably Vince's intent. Brock, Edge, or whoever are going to stay quiet and play ball-- as will everyone else in the WWE who needs a paycheck.



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#37 Posted on

    Originally posted by oldschoolhero[quotemidActually, IIRC, O'Haire's debut was pushed back after him absolutely sucking at in-ring promos to put over his character before dark matches. I'd say that Piper being O'Haire's cornerman did him more good than him going out and fucking it all up himself.

    And on the Piper firing: Who gives a shit?



Finally somebody is making some sense. Piper dug his own grave, it was only a matter of time. Hopefully he served some purpose, and helped O`Haire a bit.
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#38 Posted on
WWE has made itself look so bad this week. First, instead of actually being a normal reasonable human being, Vince blows a gasket on the show. Then they pretend to be all shocked that Roddy Piper WAS and IS a drug addict (That's what Piper said on the show).

All Piper's firing did was add more fuel to the fire that WWE turns a blind eye to drug use until someone gets caught in public.
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#39 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.59
Ok, I am a little unclear even in the WWE statement if he was or was not fired. Lets take a look:

"Since March 31, 2003, World Wrestling Entertainment, Inc. (WWE) and Roderick Toombs, p/k/a Roddy Piper, have attempted to negotiate the terms of an arrangement for Roddy to appear on WWE programming through August of this year. The parties have been unable to reach a mutually acceptable agreement."

It really doesn't say when his contract was up or if he had a contract. Did he have a handshake agreement like Hogan prior Wrestlemania where Vince agreed to pay X amount for such a time or did he have a legitment contracted that ended on June 26, 2003? This makes it even more suspicious that he was fired.



"On Tuesday, June 24, Piper appeared on an HBO program and revealed disturbing facts about his own personal drug use. Piper stated that he used drugs for many years while working in professional wrestling and that he does not like the person that he becomes when he actively performs as a professional wrestler."

"In view of WWEs inability to reach agreement on a contract and to assist Piper from engaging in any self destructive behavior, the WWE is ending any further discussion with Piper regarding a contract."

"The WWE sincerely hopes for Piper and his family that Roddy can find happiness."

credit: WWE.com


Why throw that in the statement? All the statement had to read was the first part and the WWE wishes him well in the future. It does appear it was a combination of both ie he is under kinda a contract, but we are not going to re-sign. I understand if they want to use the HBO special as the smoking gun against Piper. Piper says he is self-destructive. Yet, for a WWE that has tried in the past to help the British Bulldog, Jeff Hardy and other cases where there is sense of mental problems in Jeff's case exhaustion, why is Piper excluded? Wouldn't it be better to keep Piper close then to have him let loose on his family and friends. Espically after this. I just think there is more to the firing then the WWE is letting on.

A Fan- I do not think this was the work of HHH/Steph, Vince, yes.

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#40 Posted on
I'm looking forward to Piper's next statement.
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