Have watched a few of the matches in the extra section and the chapters related to wrestling. This isn't anti-Pillman, but is he the first non-main event wrestler to get his own DVD? For a guy who wrestled in the WWF for a brief period of time it seems unusual. Not complaining, just weird he has a DVD and Steamboat doesn't. Nine years later and Vince was still wrong putting Pillman's wife on TV the night after her husband died. I know Vince won the war. However, how can they claim that the Pillman/Austin gun incident was the turning point in the WWF's rise to glory? WCW started gaining their ratings dominance in July '96, the gun incident was November '96, and the WWF didn't beat them in the ratings until April '98. 3 months in with 17 months to go doesn't sound like much of a turning point. Tom Zenk not only discussed in the chapters, but 2 Z-Man matches. Never thought that day would come. I confused some of the ideas of World Class with WCW and expected Thundercage to be an elimination style match where you handcuff the person who lost a fall to the cage and got to beat on them. Instead, a tall cage like HITC except without the roof. They advertise Thundercage on the box, but they just refer to WarGames: The Match Beyond as Pillman/Sting/Steiners vs. Four Horsemen (and it isn't even the Horsemen as Arn is injured and the man who was probably still technically the AWA Champion at the time came down from LarryLand to replace him). As for the match itself: Weird seeing Flair in yellow. Seeing Scott Steiner in 1991 really makes you despise what he has become over the past decade. Windham and Flair seemed to be competing in a 'Who Can Bleed the Most Contest'. Quadruple Figure Fours was very impressive. Those were 2 botched powerbombs by Sid. I actually thought the first might have been even worse than the second. Comparing it to a bootleg DVD of the WarGames '87 (because if Vince hasn't given it to us on the Flair, Dusty or Road Warriors DVD, I doubt we'll see it before the Nikita Koloff DVD is released in 2045) there is a large difference in that 2 cameramen were inside the cage on the ring apron, thus providing for footage that didn't have to be viewed through the cage. Also, unusual hearing Tony Schiavone performing the role of ring announcer during WarGames with the countdown between periods. Perhaps the Flair DVD spoiled me. Forget perhaps, it did, as one of the best parts of the DVD was that it showed how things progressed in the build-up to a match. I'd much prefer that than just having Random Match X thrown into a spot without any explanation for why it is occurring. Examples: They talk of Brian Pillman's shoulder being hurt the night before WarGames on Saturday Night. Show the footage. Why is Paul Orndorff in the ThunderCage match? What has occurred between the Hollywood Blondes and Steamboat/Douglas to lead to this match. Why is this Loser Leaves Town Match occurring? Maybe it takes a little extra work and perhaps they lose a match in the process to provide for space, but it would provide a better viewing experience for the viewer.
Originally posted by redsoxnationHave watched a few of the matches in the extra section and the chapters related to wrestling. This isn't anti-Pillman, but is he the first non-main event wrestler to get his own DVD? For a guy who wrestled in the WWF for a brief period of time it seems unusual. Not complaining, just weird he has a DVD and Steamboat doesn't.
Well Cena's DVD came out in 2004 before he was a legit main eventer in WWE and winning world titles. Same with RVD's in 2005, which came out around the time he was put on the shelf with his injury and basically became mid-card fodder on Smackdown. Also Rey's which came out before he achieved main event status as well. But that's kind of semantics I guess.
A Steamboat DVD would be awesome now that you mention it . Make it 4-5 discs.
I think partially because Steamboat doesn't have nearly the "mystique" among casual fans as Pillman does. Steamboat had some awesome matches, but he never struck me as a terribly interesting guy, where as Pillman was a personality. And ultimately, they're looking to sell DVDs here.
They re-released an old Andre video on DVD, but that's hardly a "biography" type thing. Heenan, however, is profiled on the 2004 Hall of Fame, Greatest Stars of the 80's and Wrestling Managers DVD's. As awesome as Heenan is, I don't know if there's a ton more to add.
I really dug the Pillman DVD because, as redsoxnation mentioned, he was never a main event talent, yet this video kind of gives him that stature.
If anything, it just goes to show how far Pillman could have gone had he been healthy....
I just finished watching the bio part. I forget how awesome and different that character was. I mean, they may have overstated his importance a tad, but that character and the things he was doing was amazing and so different for that time span. It's weird to think, if he didn't have that car crash, he would have been at the top of his game right around the time the boom period started. And with his best friend being the World Champ, Pillman could easily have become one of the iconic guys of the Attitude Era. He could have been in the same breath as Hunter, or Foley or Angle. It's a tragedy. He would have made serious money and been such a top heel.
Pillman was a gutsy guy and for a few years there was the hottest guy in the business, buzz wise.
The crash just ruined him.
There were parts of the DVD that I cried at, such a tragedy. And to see Ross and Austin still shaken up...it was tough to watch.
The moral of this story though is that Pillman didn't die of street drugs, or steroid or whatever, painkiller abuse helped lead to his death. Ross points that out. He had a heart attack, that might have happened anyway, but the painkillers just ruined him. That's damn scary, and should be a cautionary tale for any wrestler or any fan who dismisses painkillers as being fine just because they are legal.
I can only imagine the amount of pain he, or Eddy or any of these guys must have been in to keep competing when their bodies break down.
Originally posted by redsoxnationHowever, how can they claim that the Pillman/Austin gun incident was the turning point in the WWF's rise to glory? WCW started gaining their ratings dominance in July '96, the gun incident was November '96, and the WWF didn't beat them in the ratings until April '98. 3 months in with 17 months to go doesn't sound like much of a turning point.
It was a huge step from the "great family entertainment" style of wrestling that the WWF was presenting at the time toward the Attitude Era that proved so successful as well as a breakthrough moment in developing the Stone Cold Steve Austin persona (even if the angle proved so controversial that they never mentioned it again in the storyline.)
I think Pillman gets a DVD before others because he is still relevant. So much of his promo work would be killer even today, and when your work is fresh and unique 10 years later THAT is impressive. Everytime WWE tries to book someone as crazy and unpredictable they should be forced to watch tapes of Pillman and Foley. And as far as people like Steamboat not getting a DVD yet, you need drama to make these DVD's compelling. And besides Steamboat being retired early by Austin, there is not much drama or sizzle. Personally I would like to see a self-destruction DVD featuring, Tully Blanchard, Tammy Sytch, Scott Hall, Tom Zenk, Ed Leslie............ well maybe not Ed Leslie. Or a Looking Back DVD with Owen, Rick Rude, Magnum TA, etc... Performers that new fans never saw and will never get to appreciate.
Originally posted by StaggerLeeI have yet to pick this up, but its on my shopping list for next payday.
I dont see the draw in a Steamboat DVD either. Besides the Savage match, his only good matches are already on the Flair DVD.
Great worker, but only one or two great fueds. Nothing special or noteworthy that I would spend 20 bucks to see.
Now, if they'd ever get a Midnight Express DVD rolling........
Depending on Crockett's video history, there could be Flair/Steamboat matches from the 70's through the mid 80's still around. That wouldn't count his extensive tag team work or his feud with Tully Blanchard for the TV Title. I only mentioned Steamboat in comparison to Pillman because he is interviewed on the Pillman DVD and it occurred to me that maybe it would have been better to go with Steamboat since he's with the company and it would be easier to do with him working there than wait for him not to be there. Probably would have been better to use a Curt Henning/Brian Pillman comparison. Also, if you look at the Legends of the 80's DVD, Steamboat would seem the next logical choice with Flair having a DVD prior to that's release and Dusty/Piper/Hogan having DVD's come out since/on way out soon. Midnight Express DVD I'd be there in a second. Or at the very least a Tag Teams of the 80's DVD that is along the lines of the Wrestling Stars of the 80's DVD. This could have been 'Vicious Justice: Sid Eudy Discusses Softballs and Squirrels' and I would have purchased it for the WarGames match.
I haven't got the DVD yet but I plan on getting it. I just always like Pillman, it seem like he always busted his ass in the ring. And anyway I'm a early 90's WCW mark. I watched Halloween Havoc 92 on 24/7 last week and I still loved it. And there is a Steamboat/Pillman match which I thought was good.
Originally posted by redsoxnationMidnight Express DVD I'd be there in a second.
Freebirds DVD too! Rock n' Roll express. Hart Foundation. Fantastics? I wouldn't want these teams on a Best of DVD though I would want them each to get their own DVDs. IF they do a best of tag teams like The Sheepherders, Strike Force (Tito Santana and Rick Martel), The Twin Towers, The Brain Busters, Andre and Haku, teams that were good or important but didn't have multi-year goodness.
I'm very surprised we haven't seen a Sgt. Slaughter DVD yet. Not only is he employed in the WWE, and on great terms, but there's chunkloads of footage to use, from his old heel days, Mid-Atlantic days teaming with Don Kernoodle, WWF All-American babyface days, AWA, amongst other footage. There's also a lot to cover in the guy's biography, even if a lot will be fabricated (such as why he got fired, for example).
The DVD would have great draw value too. Lots of old-school fans will love it, especially those who thought he was a heck of a worker, and loved his babyface act. A lot of new fans love the guy too, which is rare for an old-school vet. Make this DVD happen, WWE.
I think the WWE makes two types Biography DVD's, the ones for current stars like Rey and Cena which I think are worthless because everything has changed 6 months after the dvd was released. But the nostalgia Dvd's I pretty much buy without a second thought ever since the Flair DVD came out. The only problem with a Midnights/RockNRoll/Fantastics etc..... DVD is that so many of these great teams were pre-WCW and in the NWA. So they either call it best tag-teams of the 80's or "NWA best tag teams - and no were not talking about TNA"
Annoyance: Cutting off the intros for all the bonus matches. They all start right when the bell rings. They could have at least left the intros on for the 10 Man tag IYH match. Was cool to hear how loved the Hart Foundation was/how hated Austin was there even though he was at the height of his popularity.
...although judging by recent WWE releases, they would just overdub half the music and "fix" the crowd anyway.
Got it when it first came out but didn't actually get to sit around and watch it until a week later.
Some stuff I can't say I knew about, I honestly didn't know the Loose Cannon character started in WCW much less as a member of the Horsemen. One of the best DVDs I've seen yet due to story content, and since most of the bonus matches happen in the early days of WCW when he was Flyin' Brian, and the stuff with the Hollywood Blondes was good too.
It's funny looking back now, the Gun Incident looks so campy now, but I remember watching back then, and thought that was the most insane shit ever.
I don't even know what to say about that workrate report. To each their own, I guess. Top story: Hogan's non-retirement. There's a lot of complaining that Hogan didn't actually retire, that we have to suffer through a program with Vince...