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I used to watch wrestling in the Attitude era, and lost interest in 2000. Anyway, I've been watching religiously since january. My friends and I have noticed that we haven't really seen any piledrivers since we started watching(maybe none, who knows..). Then I was on a message baord for the N64 game WWF No Mercy. Somebody said that Vince had banned all DDTs and Piledrivers. Now, I know I have seen plenty of DDTs, but I don't know about piledrivers. Is there any truth to what I have heard? (I bring this up cuz The King piledrived Val err Morley tonight. And if so, why? I mean, multiple german suplexes do a lot more damage than a well executed piledriver...right?
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#2 Posted on
They banned all moves that compress the spine in May 2000 but sometimes they get okayed for special occassions.
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#3 Posted on
Is it "piledrived" or "piledrove"? Maybe it's "piledriven".

Anyways, there's plenty of truth in what you've heard. You would've noticed the distinct lack of the RikishiDriver, the Tombstone Piledriver along with most regular piledrivers in recent years. I'm no lexicon of knowledge, and therefore I can't give you exact dates or anything, but WWF/E did indeed place a ban on piledrivers and brainbusters a couple of years ago. Any move which fits those descriptions has to be cleared first on a case by case basis, which is why it's a big deal to see anything like that now.

As for The King, it's one of the few moves he can do, it appears, and it's almost a gimmick for him so I think his are always cleared.

Mulitple Germans would do more damage to the user of that move, if done incorrectly, where we all know what can happen to the taker of a piledriver if that's screwed up. Draw your own conclusions from there.

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Piledrivers were banned upon the Undertaker's return after Judgment Day 2000. When Taker tombstoned HHH then, it knocked him loopy. Looking at that, and the Owendriver '98's shortening of Austin's career, it was banned save for special occasions.




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I always thought the correct term was "piledrivered"
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    Originally posted by JMShapiro
    They banned all moves that compress the spine in May 2000 but sometimes they get okayed for special occassions.
...or angles. Two famous ones ("famous" means "I remembered them")

RAW 11.12.2K (slashwrestling.com): Val Venis and Ivory give Chyna a spike piledriver during the Right to Censor's heyday - angering Billy Gunn

SmackDown! 20.9.1 (slashwrestling.com): Austin piledrives Angle on the floor in one of the heelingest heel moves he made during his Alliance heeldom in an angle that involved Torrie Wilson, Tazz, and a cast of thousands.



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Undertaker still busts out the Tombstone every now and again, but only on big PPVs...he's used the move the last three years to beat Albert, Ric Flair and HHH (well, he didn't actually beat HHH with the Tombstone, but he hit him with it).



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    Originally posted by Big Bad
    Undertaker still busts out the Tombstone every now and again, but only on big PPVs...he's used the move the last three years to beat Albert, Ric Flair and HHH (well, he didn't actually beat HHH with the Tombstone, but he hit him with it).


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i've noticed that he busts it out any time an opponent is too big to give the Last Ride to. If the person is too big for the tombstone (Big Show) then he'll use the dragon sleeper.



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#10 Posted on
    Originally posted by asteroidboy

      Originally posted by Big Bad
      Undertaker still busts out the Tombstone every now and again, but only on big PPVs...he's used the move the last three years to beat Albert, Ric Flair and HHH (well, he didn't actually beat HHH with the Tombstone, but he hit him with it).


    Don't forget Bill Demott!!


And Test at Summerslam! Oh, and Shane @ Survivor Series 2001. Actually, I always love it when he busts it out on the big guys like Test after acting like he can Last Ride him, only to have it countered (it was countered, it wasn't that he wasn't strong enough!).

(edited by LeechOfTheNight on 6.5.03 1327)
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#11 Posted on
The one that always stuck out to me since I started watching in early 98 was the one on Raw where Kane gave Bradshaw the Tombstone on the steel steps while it was in the ring.

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#12 Posted on
The ban hasn't been applied to DDT's. Funaki uses a Tornado DDT as his finish. HHH has incorporated it as a fourth move into his offense. Chief Morley uses it too. You'll see others whip it out, often as deperation spots in longer matches as well.

Scott Steiner has also incorporated the inverted version into his offense, which was as clear a sign to me as anything there's no definite plans to bring Sting in soon.

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Help me if they ever did ban the DDT because I don't think could continue to watch wrestling after that. Due to the fact that was the first manuver I fell in love with during the 80's and Jake made it look so perfect at the time.

(edited by CRZ on 8.5.03 0905)


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#14 Posted on

    Originally posted by CRZ

      Originally posted by JMShapiro
      They banned all moves that compress the spine in May 2000 but sometimes they get okayed for special occassions.
    ...or angles. Two famous ones ("famous" means "I remembered them")

    RAW 11.12.2K (slashwrestling.com): Val Venis and Ivory give Chyna a spike piledriver during the Right to Censor's heyday - angering Billy Gunn

    SmackDown! 20.9.1 (slashwrestling.com): Austin piledrives Angle on the floor in one of the heelingest heel moves he made during his Alliance heeldom in an angle that involved Torrie Wilson, Tazz, and a cast of thousands.



There was also Val Venis piledriving Eddie on the floor on Raw August 7, 2000. Aw man, Morley gets to have all the piledriver fun!
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#15 Posted on
A couple notes on piledrivers.

I think Lawler can use a piledriver because, well cause he is the fucking king. That, and it harks back to his run in with Andy Kaufman.

Austin does not take piledrivers, period. Well, of course he doesn't now, but even before he retired, he had it in his contract that he did not take them after Owen's gift.

Nobody takes a piledriver like RVD. I mean, they should call him R-V-DAAAAMN!





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#16 Posted on
i've seen peeps like Stone Cold get hurt from piledrivers,i thought WWE is sports entertainment not "let's hurt all the talent", i'm glad missouri (my home state) was the first to ban them years ago. i love Jerry "The King" Lawler but Jerry time for a finisher bud.



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