It has come up twice that Kerry Collins as the Giants QB "isn't that bad". I meant to respond early but this took awhile.
Let's look at the numbers of Collins since he has been with the Giants. And obviously, I am comparing him to the rest of the league because saying he isn't that bad when compared to Danny Kanell, Dave Brown and Kent Graham is just wrong on so many levels.
2000 (Giants 12-4, lost in Super Bowl)
Kerry Collins - 3610 yards, 58.8%, 22 TD, 13 INT, 83.1
1999 (Giants 7-9, 2-5 with Collins at the helm)
Kerry Collins - 2318 yards, 57.4%, 8 TD, 11 INT, 73.3
We dig a little deeper.
- This year, Collins ranked 17th in the league in QB Rating. Finishing right in between Brad Johnson and the beast that was known as the TB offense and ahead of Charlie Batch who missed like 6 games. So Kerry is lucky he wasn't lower.
- He was 23th in completion percentage
- Collins threw for over 300 yards in 5 games, the Giants lost 4 of those.
- Collins fumbled a record tying 21 times. He lost 12 of those. That means that Collins himself turned over the ball 28 times.
I also point out that Collins' worst game as a Giant game in the Giants' biggest game recently - the Super Bowl. He also has a rep as quitter.
Personally - he might be "okay" but a guy who commits turnovers constantly, especially in crucial times (see the fumbles in the back to back loses to the Rams and Eagles), has limited mobility, constantly makes bad decisions and it seems like every pass is thrown off the back foot is not someone that I want as my team's QB.
Snooge always gets on me for hatin on Collins, but I actually like the guy a lot. His game has improved a lot in the past few years, and the fact that he's a recovering alcoholic gives him all the respect in the world, at least in my eyes.
That being said, the Giants offense is really, really terrible.
Phil, my brother in pain, what an eloquent explanation of how crappy Kerry Collins is. He is a high paid performer that does not perform. He is not an upper level QB nor will he ever be. And it's not that he isn't talented. I don't think that is the issue. My favortie QB of all time is of course Phil Simms. I don't think Simms was any more talented than Collins (from the neck down). It's that bowling ball sitting on Collins' shoulders that ultimately is his downfall.
And no doubt he's better than Danny Kanell, Dave Brown and Kent Graham. So are just about every back-up QB in the NFL.
He's Rolie Polie Olie - and in his world of curves and curls, he's the swellest kid around.
I think Kerry Collins is a good QB who had a TON of bad luck this season. Last year we had Tiki healthy for an entire season and thus a great running game. This year Tiki didn't get going until around midyear. If the Giants could have established the run this year, Kerry's stats would have been much better. I also believe if Joe Jerovicious doesn't fumble that ball in the closing seconds of the Rams game we're playing tomorrow, not the Eagles but that's neither here nor there.
Since we got to the Super Bowl last year, I'm willing to cut him a break now. But if he doesn't have a great year next year its time to start looking around.
No, Josh Scobey that Guru is talking about did return kicks for a year or two. My bad, I just saw the P and K part. Then added in picking up Scobee on a fantasy team this morning and it all clicked in a wrong way.