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http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/trojan.phel.a.html

Looks like a new trojan that can affect XP SP2.



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Security vulnerabilities in XP SP2 through... *gasp* IE?! Surely you jest! It's no secret that Internet Explorer makes a lot of the security features in SP2 obsolete. I *strongly* suggest NOT using Internet Explorer at all. I recommend Mozilla Foxfire. It's free, it's clean, and it is secure. I use XP SP2 and I've been using Foxfire for a while because Internet Explorer is, well, -sucky- for lack of a better word.

However, I also recommend at least checking it out, if you haven't.

http://www.mozilla.org/

Hope that helps!



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You are not alone in recommending Foxfire in this place, trust me.



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My IE mysteriously stopped working sometime last week. I've been on SBC-Yahoo!'s browser ever since. Is this thing any safer, of is it just IE with a different skin on it?

On a side note, this browser is pretty neat. There were a couple things I missed about IE in the beginning (like how this browser wont let you "Show Image" if an image doesnt load correctly), but it has a ton of other features that IE doesnt.



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Since: 29.1.02
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This looks like whatever made my parents' computer stop working, right around December 26-27. That problem they had had with the Desktop icons turning all black had returned to the point of Tweak UI not even fixing it, then the icons looked strangely like barcodes. (Frame of reference: Click Here (The W)) Sometime on December 27, the computer wouldn't even boot up to the desktop - that blue screen just appeared with a fatal error in Windows Explorer. I couldn't even open anything in Safe Mode, and the troubleshooter had me disable the .ini startup files, but that didn't solve it either.

The guy my parents took the computer to for repairs told them that there was no virus, and all of our problems had started because SpyBot and some old versions of Norton Antivirus and McAfee that were apparently somewhere on the hard drive had taken on infected/corrupted files. We never *had* Norton on the computer, and the McAfee program was taken off by this same place the last time the computer had issues (when my brother downloaded something through Kazaa and we got a little extra). I'm doubting it's SpyBot's fault as this guys says, but with this Phel information I've got an idea of what to do when we get that tower back. Thanks for the link!



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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.66
    Originally posted by Angel Nushize
    Security vulnerabilities in XP SP2 through... *gasp* IE?! Surely you jest! It's no secret that Internet Explorer makes a lot of the security features in SP2 obsolete. I *strongly* suggest NOT using Internet Explorer at all. I recommend Mozilla Foxfire. It's free, it's clean, and it is secure. I use XP SP2 and I've been using Foxfire for a while because Internet Explorer is, well, -sucky- for lack of a better word.

    However, I also recommend at least checking it out, if you haven't.

    http://www.mozilla.org/

    Hope that helps!



Well let's be honest here, Mozilla is no more "secure" then IE. It's just that not enough people use it for the hackers to bother finding all the exploits at this time. If it was the number one used browser you can be damn sure we'd see constant attacks through Mozilla flaws.

But that said, yes it is a very good browser. I just use IE because it integrates with Windows much better(duh), and if you aren't lazy and have your virus and windows updates turned on, none of these things are ever a problem.
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Mozilla does not include ActiveX. ActiveX is one of the biggest problems with IE security.

I realize that it seems like Mozilla is just as likely to be insecure, but you can't really "be honest" and just state it. It could be better programmed. It may be worse. Time will tell.

If I have to choose between "That gun might be loaded" or "That gun, currently pointed at your head, contains 6 bullets" I think I will stick with the former.



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    Originally posted by Guru Zim
    Mozilla does not include ActiveX. ActiveX is one of the biggest problems with IE security.

    I realize that it seems like Mozilla is just as likely to be insecure, but you can't really "be honest" and just state it. It could be better programmed. It may be worse. Time will tell.

    If I have to choose between "That gun might be loaded" or "That gun, currently pointed at your head, contains 6 bullets" I think I will stick with the former.


Ok, but here's the problem. With IE, they haven't come up with a flaw yet where my computer hasn't automatically updated itself, either by Microsoft or antivirus, well before the problem existed or was used in bad ways.

Seems to be a gun loaded with blanks to me. What are the chances the makers of Mozilla would provide the same timely security fixes?
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    Originally posted by wmatistic
    Ok, but here's the problem. With IE, they haven't come up with a flaw yet where my computer hasn't automatically updated itself, either by Microsoft or antivirus, well before the problem existed or was used in bad ways.

    Seems to be a gun loaded with blanks to me. What are the chances the makers of Mozilla would provide the same timely security fixes?

Generally, you get the publicity and the fixes from MS well after the potential for damage exists. Occassionally they will be good, but usually they leave alot of room for improvement in their response. I'd say the fact you haven't been affected yet is more good luck than superior design.
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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.44
    Originally posted by wmatistic
    With IE, they haven't come up with a flaw yet where my computer hasn't automatically updated itself, either by Microsoft or antivirus, well before the problem existed or was used in bad ways.


Really? There are 21 unpatched security vulnerabilities in Internet Explorer 6 right now, with several ranked "Highly critical." A vulnerability in Internet Explorer is far more dangerous than in other programs because it is so tied into the system with ActiveX. (In case you're wondering, Firefox 1.0 has 4 vulnerabilites, with the worst ranked "moderately critical" and all related to spoofing/hijacking, not system access.)


    Seems to be a gun loaded with blanks to me.


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"I'd say the fact you haven't been affected yet is more good luck than superior design."

I'd say the fact that I haven't been affected means I'm not retarded. Turn on autoupdate, antivirus updates and use a good firewall. None of these problems will be a worry to you. Period. People get all crazy with this OMG THERE'S A PROBLEM IN IE MY COMPUTER IS DOOMED, but no, it's really not if you've taken proper steps to begin with.
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http://news.com.com/IE+flaw+threat+hits+the+roof/2100-1002_3-5517457.html?tag=st_lh

Exploit code has now hit the internet.

Secunia has constructed a test, which can be used to check if your browser is affected by this issue:

http://secunia.com/internet_explorer_command_execution_vulnerability_test/

(edited by Guru Zim on 7.1.05 1746)


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How would one deactivate ActiveX? And, do I need to change IE settings on each of the user accounts on XP? Nobody uses IE (Firefox represent!) but, I'd like to set these things as high as possible just in case. I can't account for what my dad and sister do on here all the time.



(edited by Whitebacon on 7.1.05 1755)

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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.68
    Originally posted by Whitebacon
    How would one deactivate ActiveX? And, do I need to change IE settings on each of the user accounts on XP?


From in IE: Tools->Internet Options->Security->Custom level (I think there's a default level that blocks Active X too)
Make sure you set the options for each zone you use (eg local intranet, trusted sites etc) I'd set the signed ActiveX stuff to "prompt" rather than disable, some activeX stuff helps useful things go.
You should change the settings for each different account.
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Out of curosity, I tried that test with IE (which I never use otherwise). Sure enough, my computer was vulnerable. So I went to Windows Update, where it told me that there were no important updates. Switching to Firefox seems better all the time.



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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.90
I started using firefox 2 weeks ago and i am loving it.
I had a few problems whit IE before, but i fixed them with Norton 2004 updated, spybot, spyware blaster, Ad-aware, Bugof and hijack this.


The thing about firefox is that is doesnt need so many "complements" to be safer,unlike IE .

Plus the Noia skin is nice:p

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