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Since I can't re-open the previous Pro Bowl thread, let me say how tickled I am that the Steelers got 6 guys in. Maybe not Eagles tickled (9), but that's another side effect of the NFC, I guess, that they didn't split the lucrative spots with the Colts, Pats, etc.

I would link to an official list but it's not up until 4 p.m., I think individual teams are spilling the beans on their websites.

Steelers got G Alan Faneca, ILB James Farrior, WR Hines Ward, SS Troy Polamalu (~~~), C Jeff Hartings (yayayay!), and OLB Joey Porter. Porter is kind of an existing repuation pick, not that he hasn't been good this year.

That also means Roethlisberger was the odd man out of the QB derby, which was the right decision.
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Sweet!!

I love to see the O-line get some love. Its a shame about Ben, he beat Brady who is having another overrated year, but if he keeps it up, he'll be in next year. The Philly guys should be proud too.



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William Henderson made it!!! He's deserved it for a few years. Good for him.

Javon Walker, Marco Rivera, and Ahman Green also made it from the Pack. Mike Wahle deserves it over Rivera. However, if that helps to not drive Wahle's asking price up come free agency, I'm all for it.
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RUMOR: the Chiefs got the O-line trifecta of Roaf, Shields, and Waters, TE Tony Gonzalez, FB Tony Richardson, and depending on which rumor you hear, KR Dante Hall. I would tend to doubt Dante, though.

Also, there may be a ceremony in which the Kansas City secondary is thanked for their contributions to the Pro Bowl seasons of several receivers.

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TIKI BARBER with his first Pro Bowl selection!


Something worthwhile out of this lost season. I am very happy to see Tiki get recognized this season as it was certainly his best.




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    Originally posted by SEADAWG
    Also, there may be a ceremony in which the Kansas City secondary is thanked for their contributions to the Pro Bowl seasons of several receivers.


Likewise, the Cleveland Browns should be thanked for their overall contribution toward padding several teams' offensive and defensive stat sheets.

Goddamn, they suck. I continue to pray for better days.



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    Originally posted by whatever
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      Also, there may be a ceremony in which the Kansas City secondary is thanked for their contributions to the Pro Bowl seasons of several receivers.


    Likewise, the Cleveland Browns should be thanked for their overall contribution toward padding several teams' offensive and defensive stat sheets.

    Goddamn, they suck. I continue to pray for better days.


Further honorable mention: The offensive line for the Miami Dolphins as well as the QB tag team known as A. Jay Fiedley* for contributing to the sack and turnover totals for defenses around the league.

*Feeley's played better down the stretch and all but GOOD GOD he looked horrible to start.

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    Originally posted by SEADAWG
    RUMOR: the Chiefs got the O-line trifecta of Roaf, Shields, and Waters, TE Tony Gonzalez, FB Tony Richardson, and depending on which rumor you hear, KR Dante Hall. I would tend to doubt Dante, though.

    Also, there may be a ceremony in which the Kansas City secondary is thanked for their contributions to the Pro Bowl seasons of several receivers.

    (edited by SEADAWG on 22.12.04 1436)



One of the most mystifying things about last years Pro Bowl was that Jerome Woods got selected. A) Wesley clearly had the better year, and B) Nobody on that defense deserved to be IN Hawaii at the time of the Pro Bowl, let alone participate in it.



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After looking at the official rosters for the NFC (nfl.com) and the AFC (nfl.com), I'm confused how they could get so many picks right and yet botch some so horribly.

Best picks would include getting both the quarterbacks and the running backs in the AFC correct as well as the wide receivers and tight ends in the NFC.

Worst picks have to include no Colts offensive linemen (Kevin Mawae over Jeff Saturday and Jonathan Ogden over Tarik Glenn specifically), Ray Lewis over Donnie Edwards and London Fletcher, and Marcus Stroud over Jeff Zgonina.

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Muhsin Muhammad, Dan Morgan, and Julius Peppers got in for the Panthers... looks like just the right amount for the team, thanks to the injuries and whatnot those are the three that have carried the team to their current 5-1 streak. Although I could certainly see somebody like an Antonio Pierce or Nick Barnett potentially having a case for NFC linebacker... speaking of which, Trotter making it for the NFC is a joke, and only one player (Marcus Washington) from the Redskins' top-ranked NFC defense is pretty crappy as well. Pierce, Cornelius Griffin, and either Smoot or Springs all had solid cases for making the Pro Bowl. Tough break for Drew Bennett, having the season of his career yet there isn't really an undeserving candidate from the AFC wideouts.



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There's no way in hell that Polumalu deserved a nod over Rodney Harrison. And Dillon definitely deserved a spot, too. But there's not much else I can complain about, and that's rare in these things.



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    Originally posted by Hurrikane757k
    speaking of which, Trotter making it for the NFC is a joke


I agree that the Redskins didn't get in as many as they should, but if you look at the Eagles' defense before Trotter and after Trotter, he's been one of (the?) main reasons that they've gotten so good against the run. After the Pittsburgh debacle, they moved him back into MLB, and shifted Simoneau to the weakside, where he is most comfortable. Trotter's played like a true stud, and he's even better than before he left for Washington.
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"There's no way in hell that Polumalu deserved a nod over Rodney Harrison."

I certainly wouldn't say there are zero ways in hell. There are some. Polamalu is really great. I'm still shocked he made it over Harrison though.

"And Dillon definitely deserved a spot, too."

No doubt. Give Pats both those guys and the two teams are even at 6 (or NE is up 1 with Polamalu removed). I guess the head to head win allowed Pittsburgh to claim the extra spots.

I also agree that the Colts missing with both Glenn *and* Saturday is a bummer. Irregardless, I hope all six Steelers alternates go to give us 12.
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I'm disappointed that Stroud was the only Jaguar who made it (I think Jimmy Smith deserved a spot, but maybe that's because he's my favorite player- I don't know who you'd knock out of the receivers selected to put him in). I think Stroud has (quickly) gotten overrated. He only has 4 sacks, and if you're a good running team, you CAN run on these guys.

As for the area team, columnists all around Buffalo and Rochester will be covering the Pro Bowl selections with a venemous pen, as P Brian Moorman didn't make it, though he probably deserves it.



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    Originally posted by Sec19Row53
    William Henderson made it!!! He's deserved it for a few years. Good for him.


In the Packer locker room yesterday, I don't think I've ever seen Mike Flanagan happier as when he hugged and congratulated William. Seeing as how he's done our Monday Night Kick-off show for years now, I can tell you he's a helluva guy. He and I even briefly hugged as my reporter and I congratulated him on an honor long overdue.

Even better than when he bought me a drink this past Monday. Whatta guy.

    Originally posted by Sec19Row53
    Javon Walker, Marco Rivera, and Ahman Green also made it from the Pack. Mike Wahle deserves it over Rivera. However, if that helps to not drive Wahle's asking price up come free agency, I'm all for it.


Rivera even said that anybody on that line deserves to go, and put Wahle over.

Weirdly, I could sense a real sense of being-pissed-off from K Ryan Longwell. Understandable...the dude got screwed AGAIN. Him never being the NFC's Pro Bowl kicker is just ridiculous. Doing as well as he's done in Lambeau over the years (and 3 f'n game winners this season)...man, it's a screwjob, I tells ya.

And good for Walker...one of this season's most exciting receivers. (Still blows me away that he called me "sir" during the 2002 draft weekend.) Green...yep, seems right.



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    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    "There's no way in hell that Polumalu deserved a nod over Rodney Harrison."

    I certainly wouldn't say there are zero ways in hell. There are some. Polamalu is really great. I'm still shocked he made it over Harrison though.


I'm not trying to degrade the season Polamalu's had. But if you're a stathead, then this is just an unfathomable screwing. Harrison is Top 5 in the league in tackles at 124, while Polamalu's got 34 less. It's not like 5-10 here. Harrison also has a couple of sacks, while Polamalu's had 3 more fumbles and 4 more passes defensed. But Harrison's caused 2 more fumbles, kind of making that difference null. Then when you take into consideration the fact that Harrison's responsible for play-calling for the defense and is the team captain, he's been more important to the Pats than Polamalu has to the Steelers. Troy will be a great safety some day, but I don't think he deserved these accolades today.


    "And Dillon definitely deserved a spot, too."

    No doubt.


What's sad about the disparity in the league at this point is probably the Top 10 AFC RBs could all be pro bowlers in the NFC. The talent difference is staggering.


    Give Pats both those guys and the two teams are even at 6 (or NE is up 1 with Polamalu removed). I guess the head to head win allowed Pittsburgh to claim the extra spots.

    I also agree that the Colts missing with both Glenn *and* Saturday is a bummer. Irregardless, I hope all six Steelers alternates go to give us 12.


But the team's records shouldn't reflect on how many pro bowlers a team gets, and it sure didn't last year. When the Pats and Chiefs were the teams with the best records, the Chiefs had something like 9 players, and the Pats had *2*. And neither of them were on offense.

Now, I don't think anyone can tell me, in 4 losses in 2 seasons, that the Pats have only had 5 exceptional players, just 5 players that deserved personal recognition(as Richard Seymour was named twice).



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    Originally posted by Roy.
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      speaking of which, Trotter making it for the NFC is a joke


    I agree that the Redskins didn't get in as many as they should, but if you look at the Eagles' defense before Trotter and after Trotter, he's been one of (the?) main reasons that they've gotten so good against the run. After the Pittsburgh debacle, they moved him back into MLB, and shifted Simoneau to the weakside, where he is most comfortable. Trotter's played like a true stud, and he's even better than before he left for Washington.


Still, does 6 weeks of good to great play constitute a Pro Bowl appearance? Granted, the crop of MLBs is weak in the NFC this year with the absence of Urlacher, but I still think that somebody like a Pierce or Earl Holmes should have went.



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    Originally posted by The Thrill
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      William Henderson made it!!! He's deserved it for a few years. Good for him.


    In the Packer locker room yesterday, I don't think I've ever seen Mike Flanagan happier as when he hugged and congratulated William. Seeing as how he's done our Monday Night Kick-off show for years now, I can tell you he's a helluva guy. He and I even briefly hugged as my reporter and I congratulated him on an honor long overdue.

    Even better than when he bought me a drink this past Monday. Whatta guy.

That's great that he's such a nice guy.. but I can't help but think he wouldn't be there if Atlanta's Justin Griffith didn't break his ankle a couple of weeks ago. It's odd, because even though his running stats weren't impressive at all, he was apparently leading in balloting at the time of his injury. Perhaps his fantastic job blocking for the number one rush offense was enough.

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    Originally posted by geemoney
    As for the area team, columnists all around Buffalo and Rochester will be covering the Pro Bowl selections with a venemous pen, as P Brian Moorman didn't make it, though he probably deserves it.


I could only imagine how upset they would have been had McGee not been selected for special teams.



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"Then when you take into consideration the fact that Harrison's responsible for play-calling for the defense and is the team captain, he's been more important to the Pats than Polamalu has to the Steelers."

I must also point out that Polamalu wins interceptions 5-2 *and* he's got terrific hair. But nevertheless, I agree with you. Also, New England's Lawlessness and the secondary being all messed up, I thought Harrison was a lock.

"But the team's records shouldn't reflect on how many pro bowlers a team gets"

I wasn't trying to say that it should ... plus Kansas City and Baltimore each had 5, so apparently it doesn't, except for when it does.

"When the Pats and Chiefs were the teams with the best records, the Chiefs had something like 9 players, and the Pats had *2*. And neither of them were on offense."

I thought Law and McGinest both made it with Seymour? I guess not.

"Now, I don't think anyone can tell me, in 4 losses in 2 seasons, that the Pats have only had 5 exceptional players, just 5 players that deserved personal recognition(as Richard Seymour was named twice)."

Well, that's kind of the master narrative of the Patriots, isn't it? When they write the stories about the team years from now, they'll be all "5 Pro Bowlers, 2 Super Bowls, 20+ consecutive wins, what gives? The team is what gives -- championships. Suck it."

Who from the last two years are the most glaring omissions, do you think? Harrison and Dillon we mentioned, and Brady last year, natch. I have seen Teddy Bruschi mentioned, but that one seems understandable since MLB is tough with The Great Ray Lewis being guaranteed a spot no matter what he does. Vrabel for last year, or did he not start until somebody got hurt?
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