Originally posted by chill Booker T and "Battle Kat/Blue Blazer" Owen Hart were on their respective ways down the same path, but luck seems to have saved their careers before Vince's character redevelopment ruined them for good.
First of all, Owen was not Battle Kat. That was Brady Boone. At least I'm 99 % sure that's who Battle Kat was. And... uh.... well, what are you trying to say about luck saving Owen Hart? Or the career of Owen Hart? Unless you're referring to luck of the bad variety, I'm not sure what you're getting at.
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So only people above a certain age are allowed to talk about the past now?
I sure as hell know Skandor Akbar and Tennessee Stud Robert Fuller, but other than a few quips in Foley's book and the Tenay interview, I don't see much in ol' Percy.
I don't see how relying on things done for a competitor is really that great an idea. Obviously you can't ignore the accomplishments of someone like Flair (and they didn't, even giving him the Real world's champion motif.) But when I turn on WWE, I don't want to hear about WCW and ECW, I wanna see what's happening now, and quite frankly not much is.
I think it was more Atlas' history in the Brody incident and Terry Taylor losing favor with Bill Watts that hurt them. Gee, Vince really ruined Mick Foley and Steve Austin, who were treated SO WELL by WCW.
People are STILL whining about Invasion, yet when Crockett unceremoniously sucked up Watt's Mid-South/UWF solely to get Sting et al, geez, I guess it was business then. I guess there were no smarks or McWrestling Fanboys to complain then huh?
See, all this talk about the "rape" angle is kind of a moot point, considering ol' Perce was around-and in a very prominent on-screen role-for the "XXX Files" Brian Pillman/Terri skits; THEY implied a HELL of a lot more than what we saw on Monday night.
And no, the WWE is NOT dying a slow and painful death, as Mr. Hocking pointed out. Business is down, many of the angle are pretty damn bad, and Vince is losing the plot a little. But the solutions are there and, if/when the company really hits the skids, Vince'll have no choice but to open his eyes in order to save his own business. He's done it before and he'll do it again, and that's just the worst-case scenario. Things could easily pick up within a matter of weeks, what with the talent pool available.
Ya know... I don't get this whole, the guy can't "complain" because he was there when they did something similiar thing. Truthfully we have no idea whether he complained then to Vince or whoever would listen. And really it's irrelevant anyways. Even if he didn't object to it at that time, that was a while ago. People are entitled to change their opinion, or develop a set and take a stand at some point.
You know as wrestling fans with all the face/heel turns we see in the ring, we should understand that better than most. (And it's not like he's been changing his opinion every week)
Dilbert's Words Of Wisdom: You've just got to accept the fact that some days you're the pigeon, and others you're the statue.
Originally posted by fuelinjectedShane's never wrestled a match in his life. He can't even go one physical segment without potatoing someone. All he's done is contrived garbage where he upstages the roster by taking big bumps then leaving for months at a time.
Oh please. Here's a perfect example of people in the IWC sittin on their nice couches and playing wrestling god. Watch WrestleMania XV or the Angle street fight and tell me those don't even count as matches. Do you know what bumping feels like? Do you know what it takes to put together even a SOMEWHAT watchable match (which those two - plus his SummerSlam match with Test and even his matches with Big Show were far more than SOMEWHAT of watchable).
Alright, I understand your point you don't get the love. Maybe he shouldn't bump too big and steal the show like he has. But don't take away the fact that the man can wrestle. Just because he isn't full time doesn't mean he can't wrestle or hasn't wrestled.
What he's doing is no different than what any other rich kid would do...yeah, it's good he wants to have a role in the product.
Being in a match doesn't equate wrestling, anyone watching the Russo era can clearly see that. Maybe Shane's been watching tapes since he was in the crib, and maybe he's had private lessons, who knows? But still, I'd say the average ref or diva has as much training time as him and I don't think they should be in many matches either.
Don't pull the "HAVE YOU" crap...you don't need to be a 5-star chef to know about food.
His bumps are pretty much to show that he can take big bumps, not to pace a match, not to show psychology, barely even to show what the other person can do. Maybe it's fear of Vince or actual professionalism, but I woulda thought Angle etc. would get a bad taste in their mouth when the boss's son gets to play ragdoll out of nowhere, then gets to recover at his leisure while they have to walk around banged up daily. Angle did a good job of dominating him in all facets while still giving the hint that maybe he underestimated Shane.
And lastly, this just further cements "Charisma! BUMPS! FURNITURE!" into the audience. Imagine if Shane came out doing tiger spins and lucha knucklelock sequences, I'd imagine he'd get a similar pop. Then plant the seed that someone with actual wrestling skill taught him. build upon that and see what happens.
All Shane McMahon has shown me is that's he's a glorified backyard wrestler. He's never shown me any skill, just a willingness to take bumps. I give him credit for taking the punishment but would he do it if he didn't get weeks/months off to recover?
If he had to wrestle a schedule like everyone else, would he survive? No because all he can do is bump, he can't wrestle. So all he'd be able to do would be crazy bump filled backyard wrestling matches.
When you think about it, at least from a storyline perspective, though, SHOULD Shane be able to do more than garbage matches? He's the owner's son, a former fed owner in his own right, and someone who's willing to step in the ring. Willing, but that doesn't mean he knows what he's doing. He can still take bumps better than me, obviously, but there's no reason for him to be a competent wrestler.
Yeah that's a good point, this is almost like Greg Gagne putting Heenan in a weasel suit... or Sylvia Fuller putting Downtown Bruno (Whippleman) in a diaper. But that was just as pointless as stupid and was before Vince gave it a label of sports entertainment.
I think when Vince dies, one Raw and one SmackDown! will be dedicated to him, and then they'll try to go on with business as usual. The shows themselves will suck out loud until the McMahons can stop grieving (which they'd have a right to do)